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Have six 1/16 shorter clips in the set, are they for the sides or top of window frame.

TIA
 
What car and what trim?
 
69FBCuda said:
What car and what trim?
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'67 valiant
The taller ones, more of them then short, all seem to sit fine butted into the jam except the sides.
The other area is the bottom trim at each end but it looks like the taller ones will do it there as well. Just the sides take the 6, 3 each side I'm assuming.
Thanks. Kinda wish I stayed with the bead lock.lol
 
RustyRatRod said:
I guess this means you figured it out?

My apologies, because although I've had cars in the past with trim, I always delete it, because I cannot stand it. lol
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What do you use to seal it with. The groove for the pinch is wide, like 5/16. So I'm thinking butyl tape then lift and squirt sealer in or at the corners.
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
What do you use to seal it with. The groove for the pinch is wide, like 5/16. So I'm thinking butyl tape then lift and squirt sealer in or at the corners.
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I always go back after the windshield is installed and get the tube end and stick it right under the seal and go all the way around between the pinch weld and seal with something like a regular clear silicone caulk. A lot of people get fancy and use that 3M Window Weld, but any clear silicone caulk will outlast you. As for filling in the gap, the trim does that, right?
 
Remember, there's two different seals here. One with trim and one without. The one without comes on out and covers the gap. The one with allows room for the trim.
 
Thanks everyone. Between you guys, some older threads and a video I watched the other day...it went smooth all by myself.
I did not use the rope method.
I plastic knifed the windshield in with the gasket installed in the car 1st.
I bought $9 dollar set of plastic trim tools and a double suction cup handle for $14 from harbor freight, some permeated windshield gasket sealer from autozone..and a roll of 5/16 butyl tape from napa auto.
I got the windshield wet using a spray bottle of soapy water and with a towel down over the cowl.. I positioned the glass into place, starting with the drivers side corner..sliding it into the corner and spraying the soapy water ahead as I used the knife to draw the lip over the glass. At first I went to use windshield gasket sealer like mopar muscle did on the frame..but the gasket started falling out...so I stopped with that idea till I got the bottom and sides started...then I pulled it back and shot some sealer into the groove. I used a 5/16 butyl tape across the bottom middle and stopped short of the cowl drains used the sealer on the lower corners and up the sides and top as I plastic knifed it in using the spray bottle of soapy water oldman mentioned to use plenty of ...and he was right. With the butyl tape..make sure to press the windshield gasket down flattening/spreading it out as to seal AND set the windshield at the correct height to seal the ends up. I finished the folding locks ending up in the upper middle having started at each corner 1st then working to the middle ,bottom top & side using soapy water and the trim tool pressed and slid across with my index finger as the guide and sensor of whether there was enough soapy water or not.
The clips are eh quality, not much spring memory and need pinching tighter. I haven't taken one with the trim on yet. Basically the 4 corners need to be hard to snap and you want to use a little butyl tape under to keep them from wiggling loose...say if they are pressed on too hard or fiddled with by someone at a show. I think a dap of butyl over each clip screw might be a good idea as well. ..I used fresh paint in the screw holes as I put them in, but extra water proofing couldn't hurt. I had initially contemplated using the tape all the way around by stretching it a little thinner...or some in the corners..plying in to the pinch itself. I'll hose it off tomorrow and see.
Is there a right wrong way to this...? Only if it leaks. There is a standardized way..but are all cars the same? No. The pinch weld condition can play a major part in how much or if you need sealer and what kind, shape of the glass...type of seal. Rope or knife, butyl or sealer. All I know.. is.. winter is here.. and having no windshield during rain would be a bummer.
I'll keep you posted how it seals.

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Couple pics of the trim in.
Like i was saying, the corners need some clip tightening. Good nuff.

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4spdragtop said:
Nice job! Eventually doing the same for our 67 cuda:thumbsup:
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Thanks! I've never had to do one before, all these years.. still learning.
It's either luck or it's not as hard as it looks.
The clip drilling, they mostly just butt up and self align to the edge, the lower ones I just laid the clips so they protruded the tiny amount the top and sides did and pen marked and drilled to 1/8.
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Thanks everyone. Between you guys, some older threads and a video I watched the other day...it went smooth all by myself.
I did not use the rope method.
I plastic knifed the windshield in with the gasket installed in the car 1st.
I bought $9 dollar set of plastic trim tools and a double suction cup handle for $14 from harbor freight, some permeated windshield gasket sealer from autozone..and a roll of 5/16 butyl tape from napa auto.
I got the windshield wet using a spray bottle of soapy water and with a towel down over the cowl.. I positioned the glass into place, starting with the drivers side corner..sliding it into the corner and spraying the soapy water ahead as I used the knife to draw the lip over the glass. At first I went to use windshield gasket sealer like mopar muscle did on the frame..but the gasket started falling out...so I stopped with that idea till I got the bottom and sides started...then I pulled it back and shot some sealer into the groove. I used a 5/16 butyl tape across the bottom middle and stopped short of the cowl drains used the sealer on the lower corners and up the sides and top as I plastic knifed it in using the spray bottle of soapy water oldman mentioned to use plenty of ...and he was right. With the butyl tape..make sure to press the windshield gasket down flattening/spreading it out as to seal AND set the windshield at the correct height to seal the ends up. I finished the folding locks ending up in the upper middle having started at each corner 1st then working to the middle ,bottom top & side using soapy water and the trim tool pressed and slid across with my index finger as the guide and sensor of whether there was enough soapy water or not.
The clips are eh quality, not much spring memory and need pinching tighter. I haven't taken one with the trim on yet. Basically the 4 corners need to be hard to snap and you want to use a little butyl tape under to keep them from wiggling loose...say if they are pressed on too hard or fiddled with by someone at a show. I think a dap of butyl over each clip screw might be a good idea as well. ..I used fresh paint in the screw holes as I put them in, but extra water proofing couldn't hurt. I had initially contemplated using the tape all the way around by stretching it a little thinner...or some in the corners..plying in to the pinch itself. I'll hose it off tomorrow and see.
Is there a right wrong way to this...? Only if it leaks. There is a standardized way..but are all cars the same? No. The pinch weld condition can play a major part in how much or if you need sealer and what kind, shape of the glass...type of seal. Ripe or knife, butyl or goo. I may find it needs tape in the lower corners. All I know.. is.. winter is here.. and having no windshield during rain would be a bummer.
I'll keep you posted.

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Awesome. Yeah with one person, prying the seal over it is easier. I much prefer doing it that way when you have a lock strip type gasket. Glad you got it in! Looks good too!
 
Looking to start on our 67. Have you got pics/part #'s of the clips you used?
Thanks!
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Thanks! I've never had to do one before, all these years.. still learning.
It's either luck or it's not as hard as it looks.
The clip drilling, they mostly just butt up and self align to the edge, the lower ones I just laid the clips so they protruded the tiny amount the top and sides did and pen marked and drilled to 1/8.
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4spdragtop said:
Looking to start on our 67. Have you got pics/part #'s of the clips you used?
Thanks!
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When I got my clips they were short a few screws... like all. So I called and sorted it out. New bags with screws showed up.
All the small clips of the same but the big Clips are not the same between the two different bags, I've also seen a few larger green Clips ...n some people instead have larger black clips.
That said... lol... I read some info online and then I actually hand placed or set the Clips where I thought they would go and not hold the trim OUT too far.. so on the sides you need the smaller, lower corners iirr take the larger ones. Let me post some crap here...

Now note the pic of someone elses car and where they put the clips and distance for the corners... not really but Imo too far away from the corner.. because the corners like to lift, though we use butyl to hold them.. butyl alone isnt great and takes a ton..so I move the clips a lil more toward the corners...only cath it there is only so much area to mount them cause that's where the seals lower corners get wide 'which need a nice strip of butyl too'. The clips damn near sit at just the right height when pushed up against the window sil...FWIW They dont want to be out ..or itll have the trim sticking out.
Call me if you.
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Thanks J, here are pics of clips I have. I will order new, but want correct ones lol
Thanks again!
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
When I got my clips they were short a few screws... like all. So I called and sorted it out. New bags with screws showed up.
All the small clips of the same but the big Clips are not the same between the two different bags, I've also seen a few larger green Clips ...n some people instead have larger black clips.
That said... lol... I read some info online and then I actually hand placed or set the Clips where I thought they would go and not hold the trim OUT too far.. so on the sides you need the smaller, lower corners iirr take the larger ones. Let me post some crap here...

Now note the pic of someone elses car and where they put the clips and distance for the corners... not really but Imo too far away from the corner.. because the corners like to lift, though we use butyl to hold them.. butyl alone isnt great and takes a ton..so I move the clips a lil more toward the corners...only cath it there is only so much area to mount them cause that's where the seals lower corners get wide 'which need a nice strip of butyl too'. The clips damn near sit at just the right height when pushed up against the window sil...FWIW They dont want to be out ..or itll have the trim sticking out.
Call me if you.
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The red are the sides, pretty damn sure the others are too tall and will have the trim out too much on the sides. The other blue do the top n bottom.
Also with the sides the clipse may not go all the way up against the sill they may need to be a little bit Gap in order to hold it just right, the trim height. I'm pretty sure I remember a little bit of play with the screw holes in the clip so that if you just got it within a 16th or so you could adjust it just a little bit and tighten it down

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Thanks J, ok so the ones you circled in red are in my 1st 3 pics. Definitely wider, but shorter than the ones you circled in blue. Those specs are in last 3 pics.
Thanks again.
Oh, when I measured the width I didnt measure the small tabs.
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
The red are the sides, pretty damn sure the others are too tall and will have the trim out too much on the sides. The other blue do the top n bottom.
Also with the sides the clipse may not go all the way up against the sill they may need to be a little bit Gap in order to hold it just right, the trim height. I'm pretty sure I remember a little bit of play with the screw holes in the clip so that if you just got it within a 16th or so you could adjust it just a little bit and tighten it down

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4spdragtop said:
Thanks J, ok so the ones you circled in red are in my 1st 3 pics. Definitely wider, but shorter than the ones you circled in blue. Those specs are in last 3 pics.
Thanks again.
Oh, when I measured the width I didnt measure the small tabs.


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You have an awful lot of Clips there.
For what it's worth I had extra clips left over .lol
 
Sorry, I have to revive this thread as I am so lost. 69 Dart windshield trim clips, I have purchased 2 trim clip kits from different outfits, most recent like today I received 1 kit from Classic industries, kit has 19 taller clips (height wise) and 4 shorter clips (height wise), enough screws but no goop installed on the screws, before this I got a set from RT Specialties, 20 taller clips (height wise) and 4 shorter clips (height wise) enough screws & the screws had like wax on the screws.

My problem is, the 4 shorter clips, where do they go??? Or, are there supposed to be 6 shorter clips in the kits?
From reading this thread it appears that the shorter clips go on the A-pillar where there are 3 screw holes on each side, is this correct?? Neither kit had enough shorter clips to do the job if it is correct that the shorter ones go on the A-pillar 6 screw holes.
 
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Howd you make out? I'm just about to start ours....
nothingbutdarts said:
Sorry, I have to revive this thread as I am so lost. 69 Dart windshield trim clips, I have purchased 2 trim clip kits from different outfits, most recent like today I received 1 kit from Classic industries, kit has 19 taller clips (height wise) and 4 shorter clips (height wise), enough screws but no goop installed on the screws, before this I got a set from RT Specialties, 20 taller clips (height wise) and 4 shorter clips (height wise) enough screws & the screws had like wax on the screws.

My problem is, the 4 shorter clips, where do they go??? Or, are there supposed to be 6 shorter clips in the kits?
From reading this thread it appears that the shorter clips go on the A-pillar where there are 3 screw holes on each side, is this correct?? Neither kit had enough shorter clips to do the job if it is correct that the shorter ones go on the A-pillar 6 screw holes.
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