Your thoughts on the 5.7 hemi tick

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It's a different market out there now. We recently picked up a '18 Tradesman. 4WD Crew Cab Cummins Dually. 92K on the clock.
We got her for a little under $40K. She's not exactly what we were looking for, but we couldn't find an older 2WD Laramie. We pulled the trigger because we wanted to buy now, and she was the best deal that we found. There just wasn't much to choose from that had what we wanted, that we could afford. And BTW, I don't care how they're badged, or what the title says, they will always be a Dodge truck.
Well that makes me feel better

I just bought a 2017 4wd crew cab aswell
mine is a 5.7 hemi SLT which is exactly what i wanted (i will be plowing with it, so its a 3/4 and i didnt want the weight penalty of a diesel)
best i can tell, the SLT is the only model that comes with the front bench which would have been a deal breaker for me
with 84K miles, i ended up writing them a check for 25K (and got 2500 back for the superdookie)
 
The diablo sport predator is a hand held programmer that plugs into the OBD port. You can change some perameters of the truck and put different tunes into the truck. Like a performance tune for 91 octane or such. It also helps eliminate MDS as an option. I never found MDS activated to be worth more than a tenth or two of a mile. I average about 15 in the winter with a lot of idle time warming up, and about 16 or 17 in summer months. It also helps with transmission shifting and overall makes the truck drive a bit better. They were very popular before phone based app tuning and was a better alternative to using a laptop to make the changes. It's about half the size of a shoebox for packaging and there's only 4 buttons so it's pretty basic.
Rarichard, what is the Diablo tuner, how does it work? Did the disabling of the mds change fuel mileage?
Thanks Rod
 
Ok, If you want the real story on why the lifters fail, keep reading.....
Everyone knows how MDS works by now. The problem also occurs on non-MDS engines. The cause has to do with the way the engine gets oiled. In most engines oil gets sucked into the pump, travels to the filter and then to the crank and cam journals. The lifters then get fill, oil continues up the push rod to the rockers, and runs back down into the pan. If we did that to the Hemi's, we would starve the MDS cylinders when activated. For this reason the Hemi's are oiled backwards. What that means is the oils goes through the pump. then filter, and crank journals. Instead of pumping up the lifters, oil goes to the rocker arm shafts to the rocker arms, down the push rods, and finally the lifters. The lifters are the last thing to recieve oil! In order to meet fuel economy standards the good old US of A required, MDS was the only way these engines are able to be produced! The only way to make MDS work, is to modify the lubrication circuit. I can't believe how many different theories are floating around as to why the lifters have issues. During my time working for Chrysler I had the opportunity to speak with one of the engineers and designers of the engine. So there you have it, the real story about Hemi's lifter issues. One other tid-bit for you before I leave you. Ever wonder why there are 16 spark plugs? It was actually a mis calculation. When work began on developing the 5.7 Hemi, it was believed that 16 plugs were needed to make it through California's smog check program. Only when the final design was completed did they realize that it was not necessary. They were not going to re-design the heads, and re-tool the assembly lines to correct it. Cheaper to throw in 8 more spark plugs! Cheer's!
 
I am or maybe I should say “was” the proud owner of a 2011 ram 1500 truck with a 5.7 hemi.
I’m so disappointed in the 5.7 that I feel maybe I should buy, and I hate to even think this but maybe a Ford!
I’ve been bitten by what I am being told is the hemi tick. (And my motor is not making any tick at all) I had never heard of this until I had my CEL came on 3 weeks ago. Code was for cyl 5 misfire. Bought a coil pack and plugs and replaced them that night. Next day light on again. Cleared it and again next day back on. Bad coil pack? Switched #5 with #1. Next day cyl 5 misfire. Got on the web, googled 5.7 cyl misfire and found there is a major issue with the hemi.
Finally pulled valve cover off yesterday only to find rocker arm not moving much on #5 cyl.
Sick to my stomach.
How can this be happening. Only 60k miles. Driven softly since I bought it a 30k miles.
Looks like I’m buying a cam and lifters or am I? Seems as tho there’s a supply issue with lifters.
Ok, so now the part that I really need help with. Help me understand the 5.7 engine.
I know this is a early “A” group/forum but I’m hoping someone here can explain a few things. Mainly the timing procedures. The phaser. The reflashing if it’s not a stock cam. What keeps this from happening on the new parts I end up buying? I was using Mobile 1 5-20 but so many are saying it’s not good enough oil lubrication that I should be using redline or royal purple. By the way I only used the mobile because that’s what the original owner had always used. I’m thinking once this is all fixed going to brad Penn 5-30 because it has zinc.
Sorry for the negative post but the mopar people have really let me down with this cam/lifter design. Plus I don’t understand these modern engines and computers.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Rod
Rod, Keep scrolling down. I wrote a few paragraphs that should clear everything up for you. Cheers!
 
They (all makes) all have their quirks. Doesn't matter if it's a ford, gm, or chrysler product. Having driven late model versions of them all, and owning 4 late model hemi's ranging from 130-251k Miles, the hemi's are far from the worst. The gm "Dod" engines, and the ford cam phasers, are as notorious as any hemi "lifter problem". The tundra is, and always has been, hideous.
I am or maybe I should say “was” the proud owner of a 2011 ram 1500 truck with a 5.7 hemi.
I’m so disappointed in the 5.7 that I feel maybe I should buy, and I hate to even think this but maybe a Ford!
I’ve been bitten by what I am being told is the hemi tick. (And my motor is not making any tick at all) I had never heard of this until I had my CEL came on 3 weeks ago. Code was for cyl 5 misfire. Bought a coil pack and plugs and replaced them that night. Next day light on again. Cleared it and again next day back on. Bad coil pack? Switched #5 with #1. Next day cyl 5 misfire. Got on the web, googled 5.7 cyl misfire and found there is a major issue with the hemi.
Finally pulled valve cover off yesterday only to find rocker arm not moving much on #5 cyl.
Sick to my stomach.
How can this be happening. Only 60k miles. Driven softly since I bought it a 30k miles.
Looks like I’m buying a cam and lifters or am I? Seems as tho there’s a supply issue with lifters.
Ok, so now the part that I really need help with. Help me understand the 5.7 engine.
I know this is a early “A” group/forum but I’m hoping someone here can explain a few things. Mainly the timing procedures. The phaser. The reflashing if it’s not a stock cam. What keeps this from happening on the new parts I end up buying? I was using Mobile 1 5-20 but so many are saying it’s not good enough oil lubrication that I should be using redline or royal purple. By the way I only used the mobile because that’s what the original owner had always used. I’m thinking once this is all fixed going to brad Penn 5-30 because it has zinc.
Sorry for the negative post but the mopar people have really let me down with this cam/lifter design. Plus I don’t understand these modern engines and computers.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Rod
Any indication that it didn't just pop a lifter diaphragm? I get smoke=fire, but a lifter failure is more likely than a flat cam at that mileage.
 
We've had 5 vehicles with a 5.7 Hemi. All but one has never had a problem, son in law's with high mileage. Never had a problem myself. I only run 10w30 full synthetic oil and Wix filters. Highest mileage is around 94,000 so far and it still runs like new with no oil usage and gets 30+ mpg at 75 mph. Good luck with other brands, a failed lifter would seem like nothing compared to some stories I've heard about Ford or Chevy. I don't go by looks for anything.
 
from my experience, the material of the cam, or the heat treatment process is the real issue. I've replaced a BUNCH of those cams, mostly in 2011s and often times you will have tiny peices of cam lobe just flaking off, with the lifter itself still in perfect shape. That makes me conclude the lifter isn't the real issue. It's not the oiling design either, since other year models oil exactly the same, but do not suffer cam failure.
 
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