I don't know what a 340 cost where you live, here a rebuildable complete engine $3000 plus, a rusted out block questionable rebuildability $1000-1500 a running 318 $300 a 360 in various conditions $300-1000.
Why?
Because!
Some of us like making junk go fast.
This is what some of us have.
The argument is old and worn out.
Racing your mouth sitting on a bar stool is just not really all that much fun.
And you look stupid
I can agree with that, any ball park on cost of stroking a LA 318? And will any of these 318 racing, 15 second "I go fast" guys on here pay it?I woudnt build any of them without making a stroker 390 408 416
the added torque allows less gear better street manners less stall
if you going street strip it 11 to 1 250@50 590 lift 280 cfm heads single plane 950 carb step headers 4500 stall 27 or 28 inch tire 4.10s cal tracs nitrous should do nicely gvod and your set
Yeah yeah yeah Im leavin ...
Mine is a 318 with 4.57's and 30" et streets for now.. plan is to take it to 390 and bigger cam after the bugs are worked out and car is roadworthy... Also has a FTI 9.5" converter and FT-2 shift kit.. should be fun for short blasts to workI woudnt build any of them without making a stroker 390 408 416
the added torque allows less gear better street manners less stall
if you going street strip it 11 to 1 250@50 590 lift 280 cfm heads single plane 950 carb step headers 4500 stall 27 or 28 inch tire 4.10s cal tracs nitrous should do nicely gvod and your set
It isn't hate it just doesn't make sense to cite funds as a reason to not pick up a 340-360
Who’s saying dump a bunch of money into a 318?but then dump a bunch of money into a 318.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, there’s the rich boy tune again.And some of us know in the end these guys would jump on a 340-360 when the right time and enough money permits.
So 318 guys hate us now? Off base, delusional.If anything it’s the 318 guys who are the haters haters of the truth.
Because it’s not the same money when you don’t have a 360 to start with. I don’t care if the next Magnum at the yard is a $100.Why dump x amount into a 318 for 300 horse when the same money and labor nets 400 out of a 360.
True no 318 create engine, so what.I don't recall Mopar performance offering a Magnum 5.2 crate engine. The thing is yes I understand in Australia a 318 is what's available but lets not BS each other here in the states. No one here has a tried and true recipe for a 318 that is an affordable "340 conversion" But you all still try and discuss it ad nauseum.
The original idea that has been long discarded was to reuse the stock pistons and regrind the cam. So cost is out. So is your memory on it.UTG MI 318 would be a costly beast in machine work alone
and why isn't it done yet
Not true, start turning stones over on the subject.Not hate valid questions no one today knows anything more than 30-40 years ago
and lastly I say this if the Chrysler engineers could have gotten the performance out of the 318 they wouldn't have designed the 340.
nor for any other small block Chrysler.There simply is no performance conversion kit on the cheap for a 318...
you guys cant rewrite the facts
and call people haters because you don't like that.
You guys are so cheap that you know what ? I watched 318 wr video on "degreeing a cam on the cheap..." Im like "come on dude buy a degree wheel dont come up with some BS and call it degreeing a cam. No offense to 318 WR but hokey hillbilly BS isnt the right way.
Go to summit and buy the degree kit they arent that expensive and if you are constantly working on engines you need it. Yeah I know Im the hater.
Logically, dollar for dollar vs labor, a 5.9 is the way to go.
Even with the stock cam and relative LC, it should stand with a stock or mild built 340, given the same build on the rest of the car.
That’s never been the argument.Well I got off track but I agree, the logic minded 318 guy will eventually realize that performance with a 318 isn't impossible its just more logical the the 360 .
I agree that, a 318 will sound good with a cam but those down in the hole pistons and sub 4 inch bore leave much to be desired.
Bore size does mean something and more the merry, sure!Now someone will say and I've heard many times the bore don't mean nothing but Ill say it means this you cant use large valves and a high lift cam.
What can you gat out of a ported 318 head? What if you installed the larger 1.88/1.60 valves? OH-wait, you said you can’t use larger valves. Never mind……Second the heads the castings are smaller in stock heads and you cant port a 318 casting to 340-360 size ports you'd grind through.
You still need a decent crank and rotating assembly to go to 6 K and above.
My 318 was great on the street but it was a mid range up to 5- 5500 street car I'm not going to say it was a performance engine even though I had a cam headers and 4 barrel on an otherwise stock LA 318. My 340 is a different monster even at idle. You just know it runs and you feel the torque just rapping the throttle.
that's the kicker a lot of these people gloss over when barking up about a 318 being a waste of time.
money.
not everybody has that extra dosh to go pick up a 340, or even a 360 so it just makes sense to make do with what you have and try and make it the best you can.
also, not everybody needs a super deluxe maximized hi pressure zooty motor. not everybody is out here hitting the track on friday night or playing stoplight eliminator with teslas.
for a lot of folks a 275hp 318 with a 4bbl and headers is fine. and you can get to that with out breaking the bank.
if the argument is VFM, then cubes win hands down, every time. (or a turbo).
Hey.. post up your 318 proven recipe quit talking and bashing and do it ...also post the receipts so the bench racers you stroke on here know how much money they need to "go fast" with a 318 oh and P.S. 1.88s are "small valves " in a 340 360 head try again...P.S I work for a living by no means am I rich so quit spreading you rumours get off your *** and do it. Quit the bs bench racing because you cant afford anything else kidding youselves it can be "done cheap" Its 2024 **** or get off the pot. . You guys keep espousing he story based off Uncle Tony BS and even he doesn't prove anything its getting old.That is BS, & you know it. Otherwise to me your just saying if you don’t have the money to pony up for a bigger engine, then you should t be playing with them, leave the game & don’t come back until you have money.
Rich boy attitude.
Who’s saying dump a bunch of money into a 318?
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, there’s the rich boy tune again.
So 318 guys hate us now? Off base, delusional.
Because it’s not the same money when you don’t have a 360 to start with. I don’t care if the next Magnum at the yard is a $100.
True no 318 create engine, so what.
A 318 to 340 conversion? What are you talking about?
MoPar does offer a slew of tips to getting the 318 to perform.
The original idea that has been long discarded was to reuse the stock pistons and regrind the cam. So cost is out. So is your memory on it.
;)
Charlie is still messing around with the cylinder heads.
Not true, start turning stones over on the subject.
Another bone headed statement. Start reading about the past again.
nor for any other small block Chrysler.
No one has done that here.
I just like messing with AJ.
No, that was offensive.
That’s never been the argument.
Not really, but I believe you believe that. Do you need an extra thinking cap?
Incorrect again. Oh my! WOW!!!
What can you gat out of a ported 318 head? What if you installed the larger 1.88/1.60 valves? OH-wait, you said you can’t use larger valves. Never mind……
Hugely wrong! Big time.
Ahhhh, nothing like a bigger engine. Glad your pockets are rep enough to afford one.
Why? There out there. Open up a MP engines book.Hey.. post up your 318 proven recipe quit talking and bashing and do it
...also post the receipts so the bench racers you stroke on here know how much money they need to "go fast" with a 318
oh and P.S. 1.88s are "small valves " in a 340 360 head try again...
you Uncle Tony Pickle sniffer..
If the only way for you to know if an engine can be built to perform is cause someone else did it first and you need a recipe to follow maybe you don't know much as you think you do.
A good builder should be able to build anything especially if it has a ton of aftermarket support like a 318.
i thought you were leaving to start a 340 & 5.0 thread?Hey.. post up your 318 proven recipe quit talking and bashing and do it ...also post the receipts so the bench racers you stroke on here know how much money they need to "go fast" with a 318 oh and P.S. 1.88s are "small valves " in a 340 360 head try again...P.S I work for a living by no means am I rich so quit spreading you rumours get off your *** and do it. Quit the bs bench racing because you cant afford anything else kidding youselves it can be "done cheap" Its 2024 **** or get off the pot. . You guys keep espousing he story based off Uncle Tony BS and even he doesn't prove anything its getting old.
what the hell are youtalking about with your f bomb bullshit I aint got time for you get lost..call me a girl...?youd get winded trying to find out...Why? There out there. Open up a MP engines book.
Or is that a big bag of lies and BS?
Excuse me? I’m stroking who?
Before you cast stones, you should put your “Peter” away first and stop stroking yourself downstairs and upstairs in the brain.
Cost is the same minus pistons. Again….
This is where you show your an idiot.
All I said was what about installing the larger 1.88-1.60 valves while never calling the “BIG” valves to begin with.
As in those valves in a 318 head. Making them bigger valves.
Reading is fundamental comprehension works very well with it. Obviously, you do not comprehend what I read. Stop making yourself look like a complete total jackass!
After all, it was you who said you can’t stall large of valves.
OML! Seriously?!?! R U ******* kidding me?!?!?!
You call me this when I make corrections on something you have no idea what you’re talking about on this guy‘s channel? But yet you come back and budge me with ridiculous insults that only crying school girls can come up with? I think it’s you! Yes, you! That are sniffing my pickle. Please back away from my pickle.
If the only way for you to know if an engine can be built to perform is cause someone else did it first and you need a recipe to follow maybe you don't know much as you think you do.
A good builder should be able to build anything especially if it has a ton of aftermarket support like a 318.
what the hell are youtalking about with your f bomb bullshit I aint got time for you get lost..call me a girl...?youd get winded trying to find out...
Why do these always turn into:
A- don't do anything to a 318, because it's useless, unless....
Because that’s an awesome combo in nearly anything to get going fast.B- change the heads, install a 4000 RPM converter, change the bore, install a .700 lift cam, and 5.13 gears.
In a a direct response to exactly what you wrote.what the hell are youtalking about
Why your upset with the F bomb use, IDK. Being that you called me a pickle sniffer, I figure esteem that and the comment of me “Stroking” members, comments you made first…..with your f bomb bullshit I aint got time for you
get lost..call me a girl...?youd get winded trying to find out...