jbc426
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I always look for the tire with the highest speed rating, which is getting harder to find. I avoid anything other than a "V" rating.
15” limited choices: Cooper Cobra vs Mastercraft Avenger vs BFG Radial T/A vs ?
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I always look for the tire with the highest speed rating, which is getting harder to find. I avoid anything other than a "V" rating.
And what size would that be exactly?
I know how the search function works. You have a V rated, 300 or better wear DOT legal street tire that’s wider than 225 and taller than 25” for a 15” rim?
Not really for you. You said they could not be had. I was trying to give general advise to help the OP. I run same tires all around and I run shorter tires. I go for performance rather than looks. V rated less than 300 DOT legal tires. RRR found one.
No he didn’t. They’re V rated but the 235’s he linked are a 400 tread wear, “A” traction, “A” temp.
So again, what size are you talking about for a V rated, less than 300 tread wear, wider than 225 tire? Because that’s what I said wasn’t out there. And unless you’re talking ~24” tall tires, they aren’t.
Why? Those ratings are for SUSTAINED speed. You're just limiting yourself for absolutely no reason.
They’re better tires, that’s why. Lower speed rated tires don’t perform as well as the higher speed rated tires, even at lower speeds.
And it’s a preference too, they don’t handle the same. If all you ever do is cruise to the Dairy Queen and the local show it doesn’t much matter. If you like more spirited driving, the higher rated tires perform better even if you don’t use them at the maximum sustained speeds they’re rated for. Just added insurance too, like running larger brakes than what you need to stop the car around town on a nice dry day. Because when it matters the conditions probably won’t be ideal.
First, my first post was a general comment to the OP on how I pick tires. The OP wants to run 15 inch tires. Second, I was talking about tires for my 66 Formula S. I use my own criteria, not yours. Since you seem to want an argument for some unknown reason. My tires are on the car are an older set similar to these. Not about you. End of conversation.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...955VR5Z3&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
I’m not trying to start an argument, I just asked what size tires you were talking about. You said you had tires that met those specs, but nothing in a size relevant for the OP comes with those specs that I’m aware of, so I asked. You said to search. Well, I know how to use that function and again, nothing relevant.
And I agree, it’s not about me. The tires you’re talking about are 23.5” tall. Which isn’t appropriate at all for a 67+ A body. They’re not really appropriate for an early-A frankly, those are super short tires, but run what you want. That’s why I wanted you to post what size tires you were talking about, so the OP could decide if they were an appropriate choice. Why you didn’t answer a simple question I don’t know.
No one is arguing. I was pointing out a fact that you may not know in order to try and help. I won't make that mistake again. End of conversation.
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Dartfreak75
Restore it, Dont part it!
How does the wear rating affect performance? I know what the wear rating means but how does that correlate in performance? The higher the rate number the harder the rubber? (Maybe) I know the higher the number the longer they are supposed to last compared to a test tire. Iv always shopped for a higher rating to get more life out of them.
The softer compound, the better the grip on the road but the faster it wears.
Dartfreak75
Restore it, Dont part it!
Thats what I figured. Thanks for confirming my suspension. Haha
It's a balancing act between the three ratings.
Finding the right balance for you is the task.
Sometimes you find one that doesn't trade off too much, like the Kumo Ecsta 711 I used to run on my Dakota R/T.
WAY better treadwear than the factory goodyears with just as good if not better traction and temp.
I really miss those since they quit making them in my size.
Finding the right balance for you is the task.
Sometimes you find one that doesn't trade off too much, like the Kumo Ecsta 711 I used to run on my Dakota R/T.
WAY better treadwear than the factory goodyears with just as good if not better traction and temp.
I really miss those since they quit making them in my size.
You know that my comment was not directed at you. I actually thought you were spot on and had found a nice tire for the OP. I like your mug on your avatar.
OK. My first post was a general comment on how the OP could differentiate between his choices, for his car, using his criteria. I don't want to choose tires for the OP. I don't want to choose tires for you. I am sure you are quite capable. It is part of the process I use when I pick tires for my 2 A body cars and the other 2 A body cars I keep up for my son and brother. All 4 cars run 15 inch rims and all 4 sets are very different for each person and the general usage of the car. The 23.5 OD tires on the 66 are fine for what I want. They don't know they are too short. I never had a problem picking 15 inch tires for any of the cars. Are they optimum? Probably not, but they all work just fine.
I bought a couple of cheap WallyWorldtires for sapes. Yep they were cheap $$$$. So I take them to the local tire shop, the one and only, good guy, speaks a little English, I only know the bad Spanish words, but anyway. He is trying to tell how just how soft the sidewalls are. Not good tires!!!
I tell him I now but I am old school and I want a spare. Tell him I paid $50 each and I will give him $5 each to mount, NO balance!!!
I do by decent tires from him for the other 4 wheels that roll on the roadsl!
I don't need high mileage tires, they will rot off before I can wear them out. Don't need high speed rated tires, I do not drive fast enough to get a ticket.
I don't want to pay the same $$ for a 15 inch 4 ply tire for my old cars that I pay for 8 ply tires for the pickup!!
I tell him I now but I am old school and I want a spare. Tell him I paid $50 each and I will give him $5 each to mount, NO balance!!!
I do by decent tires from him for the other 4 wheels that roll on the roadsl!
I don't need high mileage tires, they will rot off before I can wear them out. Don't need high speed rated tires, I do not drive fast enough to get a ticket.
I don't want to pay the same $$ for a 15 inch 4 ply tire for my old cars that I pay for 8 ply tires for the pickup!!
Lil Demon
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I've been cruising all sorts of different tire manufacturers websites trying to find some meaty, sticky, don't really care about DOT certification tires that are between 26-27 inches tall for my Demon. I really love the look of the new BFG 245/40-15 Rival 1.5 tires but at 22.7 inch diameter man they totally burst my bubble. I'm hoping they eventually make a larger 15 inch tire, but they probably won't due to sidewall height.
which is why talking about keeping a performance, summer compound tire for multiple years is a bit of a joke. i don't know why i would want to. they're going to heat cycle or age out after a year anyway. i'd rather get a really soft tire (UTQG 200 or less), and wear them out every year. all of which has nothing to do with the OP's question. he's got a very narrow criteria he's looking at. all of his selections will work fine for everyday driving. if he decides to auto-x or do a track day (which i don't think he mentioned), he should get another set of wheels and tires
Oh, I’m with you on this 100%.
As far as I know, that second set of 200 treadwear tires is a fantasy...assuming you’re talking about 15” in useful outer diameter sizes.
Here in the USA, there are no performance oriented 26” tall (give or take) tires for 15” wheels...aside from drag racing tires. If I’m wrong about that, please say so and make my day.
My choices were only limited because I wanted a matched set and my front wheels (which I like and want to stick with) limit me to a 225.
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1969VADart
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I run 215/65R15 Mastercraft Avenger GT's on all four corners. They are mounted on 15x7s. I have no complaints. They drive and handle well. I think they look just as good as the BFG's. I guess if I had a complaint it would be that the specific size I run is getting harder to find.
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Those are pretty sharp looking. Always nice to see other Mopar supporters in VA (Portsmouth here).
Those look great and the wheels are sharp too.
Nothing wrong with Avengers, Radial T/A, Cobra, etc...and while they’re better than any street tire that hotrodders had to work with back in the 70s, make no mistake: these are all season tires made from compounds that are compromised for a broad temperature range and long wear, and they have treads designed to handle rain and even a bit of snow if necessary. All good things for cars that people rely on every day to get to work...
If you want optimal performance, these tires are a weak link for all of us who love their 15” wheels. It’s like showing up for the 100m sprint at the track meet wearing sensible loafers.
Just put Hankook Kynergy ST on the Challenger and am shocked the difference between the less than 3 year old Cooper Cobras I haven’t liked since day one.
Car drives better then most late model rides, especially with the Borgeson gearbox, just finished a 80 mile cruise and the ride is night and day.
Biggest issue was finding certain sizes, as I got about the only 255/60r15 in the USA seemed like plenty of 235/60r15 fronts though.
I mounted black out, as I’m done with white letters.
Car drives better then most late model rides, especially with the Borgeson gearbox, just finished a 80 mile cruise and the ride is night and day.
Biggest issue was finding certain sizes, as I got about the only 255/60r15 in the USA seemed like plenty of 235/60r15 fronts though.
I mounted black out, as I’m done with white letters.
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