i see a heim joint down there also .
1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 Sold at Mecum today for $40,000
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i see a heim joint down there also .
Some buyers myself included look at the whole package. upgrades like disc brake kits suspension improvements oversized exhaust etc only depreciate the value if the buyer is looking for all original restoration OEM whatever. I think it's one reason I like the A body platform is that you can make some changes without being ridiculed... As much. A lot of people will like the changes for the same reason you did.
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I guarantee if anyone who posts here had seen it up close you wouldn't be saying it is a good buy...
Just...."Good Bye!"
Some people have way too much disposable income and do not spend it wisely. That drives up the prices of these cars for those of us that don't fit into those 2 categories.
So true. I have been to the auctions at Scottsdale many times. Some cars are obviously built for auction (corners cut, fresh paint defects, etc) and sell. Its the worst place to buy a car in my opinion.
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I guess it all depends on what you want in a car and your purpose for that car. We all have different tastes and amounts in our wallets. For a guy looking for a car to get in and drive it is probably a good buy for him. But to do a car correctly and make everything correct as it came from factory. Your amount of 40 is easily 1/3 of the cost you”ll spend. Will you recover that money? We all know you won’t but the quality of the restoration if you are looking for a correct car, The cost will show. The nice part is It is complete and if you do'nt like it the way it is done, You can tweak it to your standards.
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What about dash vin, body stampings and a build sheet, but no fender tag. Would that decrease the value?
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There are a LOT of people that don't have the skill, space, knowledge, time, etc to restore/rebuild one of these cars from a "reasonable" starting price for the project. Paying $40k for a car that is done and can be driven, whether it's really done right or not, is a big money savings over paying someone to do all the work. Considering a new stripped base model truck starts at $45k+ and nicely appointed is $65k tells me the entire vehicle market has seen massive inflation. Both new and used. Classic cars are along for the ride. To your point, the hyped up selling prices at the auction houses don't help at all.
All of those parts contribute to the originality of the car fender tag just being another piece . But a high profile one. Different people will look at it differently. But in my opinion yes it throws a red flag for me. But things happen over the years stuff gets replaced stuff gets removed and stuff gets lost.I took my original build sheets from under my seats put them in a safe place and never found them again.
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hemifiedbird
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I agree that auction prices are inflated to a amount. That's Why Barrett gets the wiskey flowing to drive them up. But some cars are done correct and cost huge money to Restore. So people want to try to recover most of the cost. If you spend 175000.00 0n a restoration you don't want to see it bring 45000.00. And I've seen at auctions cars are beutifully done and worth good money, But also seen Cars appear to be done correctly, And under the lights of auctions they bring stupid money.
From friends that went said the car was not done nice. You can rotisserie anything doesn’t mean it done right and worth the money
Basecoat / clearcoat most likely . I have the twin to that car but chose to go white top and interior. And mine is a factory painted top car .
I also used a single stage paint because it looks deeper and less surface shine .
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If the car was really worth $40k the seller wouldn't need to pay the auction and transport fees to sell it.
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I admit I have never been any closer to a Mecum or BJ auction than my TV! but I know a few guys that have and I hear there comments.
I see these auctions as a place for the $ people to go to find a certain make and model, done they can immediately use. They may or may not know what they are looking at.
I have known guys that paid huge $ for a high end car, they know what they are looking at, and all say they will take it home and change/fix what they think needs attention.
$40,000? Is a guy paying for all the work or is he capable of doing "good" work". If so, he is a hobbyest and best not figure a $ value on his time maybe?? Great of he can.
How many collector cars can a guy see at one time and place, than at one of these many auctions!? Time and cost effective!
These auctions have done a great service for the guy that wants a done ready car and can afford to pay...maybe many will get screwed but its their $$$ and they can afford such or they would not be there!. For the rest of us, hobby guys, all it has done is to make stupid people that have POS stripped out old rusted out rollers sitting in grand dads pasture..... idiots!!!!!!!!
How many people can give $40,000 for such with questionable work, not even a damn fender tag, take it home and be able to offer it for sale, and not lose his ***???? IF he wanted to sell it!!!!!
I see these auctions as a place for the $ people to go to find a certain make and model, done they can immediately use. They may or may not know what they are looking at.
I have known guys that paid huge $ for a high end car, they know what they are looking at, and all say they will take it home and change/fix what they think needs attention.
$40,000? Is a guy paying for all the work or is he capable of doing "good" work". If so, he is a hobbyest and best not figure a $ value on his time maybe?? Great of he can.
How many collector cars can a guy see at one time and place, than at one of these many auctions!? Time and cost effective!
These auctions have done a great service for the guy that wants a done ready car and can afford to pay...maybe many will get screwed but its their $$$ and they can afford such or they would not be there!. For the rest of us, hobby guys, all it has done is to make stupid people that have POS stripped out old rusted out rollers sitting in grand dads pasture..... idiots!!!!!!!!
How many people can give $40,000 for such with questionable work, not even a damn fender tag, take it home and be able to offer it for sale, and not lose his ***???? IF he wanted to sell it!!!!!
I think all these older cars look much better in single stage. They have a "fake" look about them in base/clear, IMO.
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You can add some color to the clear coat to tone down that overly glossy look and still have the paint protection and system in place.
ns1rm21, did that with a T/A he restored.
I agree, but I bet very few really rare and high end cars get the correct single stage anymore.
I hate seeing clear peeling off any car, and I would rather sand and buff a single stage to revive old paint, but metalics pose their own issues.
Trying to convince a guy to use single stage is like trying to convince a guy to runs points! or to tell the young guy to stay with the carb!
A guy can put darn near the shine on a single stage IF he knows how, but it will never look exactly like a single stage and I agree, a real resto would be done with single stage.
Not to mention you can spray clear coat over single stage. There are additives that will make it not as glossy. I'm just not a fan of base/clear.
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When bc/cc came out, "they" proclaimed it would be so much cheaper to make repairs on existing topcoat> really?? NOT! Easier to make repairs? really??
A monkey can shot the base with no issue, very few can shoot single and get the same results as bc/cc.
When so many people today, in our hobby MUST have a classic that rides, looks, smells, (restorod) and feels just like their "modern" $60,000 car.... why would these guys NOT demand a glossy clear coat also!!!!!
Beside the "shiny" thing, "they" promoted clear as a supreme??? "method? to protect from UV rays. But can not a single stage possess such chemicals to do the same?
When bc/cc came out, "they" proclaimed it would be so much cheaper to make repairs on existing topcoat> really?? NOT! Easier to make repairs? really??
A monkey can shot the base with no issue, very few can shoot single and get the same results as bc/cc.
When so many people today, in our hobby MUST have a classic that rides, looks, smells, (restorod) and feels just like their "modern" $60,000 car.... why would these guys NOT demand a glossy clear coat also!!!!!
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