1969 ~ The AMC 'Hurst SC/Rambler' wanted to be a 'Hurst HV/Valiant'

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The American Motors 'SC/Rambler' wanted to be an 'HV/Valiant'

What did the 'HV' stand for. ....... Yes, you got it ...... 'Hurst-Valiant'.

A lightweight shoe-box, with a 'Hercules 340'.

Not your everyday 340/275 HP, but one with a few 'Performance Goodies', and a
slightly 'radical' 340.
 
That would of been cool to see. Any pics of what the mystical HV Valiant might of looked like!
 
I've never seen anything proposed from Chrysler for a 340 motor in a 68 or 69 Valiant. But what you proposed Paul would have been very cool!

The SC/Ramber was hardtop not a sedan like the Valiant. Maybe it's really more comparable to a 340 Swinger.

Closest thing was the 69 340 Swinger. Or maybe the upscale 383 GTS. To bad they never made a true post/sedan 340 car in a Plymouth or Dodge.

IIRC, you could get a 66 Valiant 100 two door sedan with 273 HiPo and 4 speed. Not sure for '67 ?



Here's a '69 Rambler post/sedan not available for the SC/Rambler...

amcrambler03.jpg
 
69 Cuda 440 said:
1969

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Not your everyday 340/275 HP, but one with a few 'Performance Goodies', and a
slightly 'radical' 340.
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Or more radical with '66 D/Dart 273 parts applied to a 340. Heck, just the same exact solid cam, adjustable rockers, headers, and holley carb from the D/Dart with factory cast iron intake. Would that have made it an 340 hp motor at 1 horsepower per cubic inch? More I'd think?

That would have been cool in the same body as a 68 Dart/Barracuda Super Stock. Would image it would have to been a LO/BO deal as the engine would be too radical for public consumption and regulations.
 
autoxcuda said:
Closest thing was the 69 340 Swinger. Or maybe the upscale 383 GTS.
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I remember looking at a new Hurst SC/rambler back in '69, but then picked up a very slightly used '69 340 Swinger in November of '69.
I liked the fact that the SC/rambler was 'different' with the styling and paint scheme - and it wasn't a Chevy or Ford like all of my buddies had.
But I was much better off picking up the 340 Swinger. The (so-called) 275-horse 340 would blow the doors off the 390-powered SC/rambler, and big-block Chevelles on Whittier Blvd. back then. The quick-revving 340 would always get them out of the hole and the race was over before the big-blocks started to get into their power.
Yeah, it was a fun time to grow up!
 
Remember the 1969 Valiant 'body style'.

They were only available as a 2-Door Sedan or 4-Door Sedan.

The Sales and Marketing Division at Plymouth was not to keen on the idea of
Marketing a 2-Door 'Post' Sedan in late-1968 for the 1969 Model year.

If the Valiant 'Hardtop' was still in production in for 1969, then it might have
been a go.

The AMC Hurst SC/Rambler became available in February 1969, so it was
'technically' a mid-season 1969 1/2 Model.

I doubt as to whether the 'proto-type' idea for the 1969 Valiant would have had
the SC/Rambler 'Mail-Box' type hood scoop.

But, the proposal for the 'HV/Valiant' had some type of Air-Induction system.

I'm still digging on that one.
 
69 Cuda 440 said:
Remember the 1969 Valiant 'body style'.

They were only available as a 2-Door Sedan or 4-Door Sedan.

The Sales and Marketing Division at Plymouth was not to keen on the idea of
Marketing a 2-Door 'Post' Sedan in late-1968 for the 1969 Model year.

If the Valiant 'Hardtop' was still in production in for 1969, then it might have
been a go.

The AMC Hurst SC/Rambler became available in February 1969, so it was
'technically' a mid-season 1969 1/2 Model.

I doubt as to whether the 'proto-type' idea for the 1969 Valiant would have had
the SC/Rambler 'Mail-Box' type hood scoop.

But, the proposal for the 'HV/Valiant' had some type of Air-Induction system.

I'm still digging on that one.
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So are you are saying there was an actual proposal for a 340 '69 Valiant in '68/69?

From Chrysler or Hurst?

Where did you learn of this proposal from?
 
autoxcuda said:
I've never seen anything proposed from Chrysler for a 340 motor in a 68 or 69 Valiant. But what you proposed Paul would have been very cool!

The SC/Ramber was hardtop not a sedan like the Valiant. Maybe it's really more comparable to a 340 Swinger.

Closest thing was the 69 340 Swinger. Or maybe the upscale 383 GTS. To bad they never made a true post/sedan 340 car in a Plymouth or Dodge.

IIRC, you could get a 66 Valiant 100 two door sedan with 273 HiPo and 4 speed. Not sure for '67 ?



Here's a '69 Rambler post/sedan not available for the SC/Rambler...

amcrambler03.jpg
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They did make a Hi Po 67 Valiant GT. I had one in 1974. It was a 273 4speed. Wish I had that car now.
 
SGBARRACUDA said:
They did make a Hi Po 67 Valiant GT. I had one in 1974. It was a 273 4speed. Wish I had that car now.
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Neat car!

Was it a 100, 200 or Signet model?

I've neither seen nor heard any 67 Valiant called a "GT" or have "GT" badging for the US Market.


Off topic: but a fellow clubmember has a 67 Dart 4 door 273 2bbl 4 speed on the floor with bench seats car.
 
Here is an original 1967 Valiant V-100 with a '273 4-Barrel'

The photo is from 1968 at Dover Drag Strip {My old Track}

Saw it many times, as the Valiant was from Danbury, Connecticut.

Shipping Weight...... #2830 lbs.

The 1967 Valiant 273/235 HP is classed in I/SA {12.00 to 12.49 Wt/HP}

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=8297
 
69 Cuda 440 said:
Here is an original 1967 Valiant V-100 with a '273 4-Barrel'

The photo is from 1968 at Dover Drag Strip {My old Track}

Saw it many times, as the Valiant was from Danbury, Connecticut.

Shipping Weight...... #2830 lbs.

The 1967 Valiant 273/235 HP is classed in I/SA {12.00 to 12.49 Wt/HP}

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=8297
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Very cool car.

Could you get a 273 HiPo 4bbl 1964 Valiant 100?

Would be the lightest 273 Hi Po car??

I would think that would be the fastest Valiant (not counting the 1970 Duster 340 with Valiant badges and model line). Would also have a 7 1/4 rear end. Might be fast, but maybe not so reliable.

:burnout: #-o
 
autoxcuda said:
Neat car!

Was it a 100, 200 or Signet model?

I've neither seen nor heard any 67 Valiant called a "GT" or have "GT" badging for the US Market.


Off topic: but a fellow clubmember has a 67 Dart 4 door 273 2bbl 4 speed on the floor with bench seats car.
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I wish I had taken pictures of it back then. I think it was a signet, but I'm not 100% sure. It was also a console bucket seat car if I recall correctly. I wound up trading it to a friend of mine that was drag racing a 70 440 4 speed Challenger. He thought if he put his drivtrain in the valiant it would be much faster. I swapped it for a running driving 66 GTO 4 speed convertible. It wasn't long after that I realized that this was probably a rare Valiant and I should have kept it. But damn I loved that GTO, had 4.30 gears new paint. The car would fly. A friend of mine had a 66 Hemi 4speed Satelite with 4.88 gears. One day on Hwy 60 in Brandon, he thought he would show me what that Hemi could do against my GTO. We took off, I power shifted through the gears expecting that Hemi to fly by me. He never did! Later he told me he missed a gear?
 
autoxcuda said:
Very cool car.

Could you get a 273 HiPo 4bbl 1964 Valiant 100?

Would be the lightest 273 Hi Po car??

I would think that would be the fastest Valiant (not counting the 1970 Duster 340 with Valiant badges and model line). Would also have a 7 1/4 rear end. Might be fast, but maybe not so reliable.

:burnout: #-o
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1964 Plymouth Valiant's

Only available with the 170/101 HP - 6-Cylinder, or 'optional' 225/170 HP - 6-Cylinder.

Shipping Weight
V-100 2-Door Sedan ......... #2540 lbs.
Signet 2-Door 'Hardtop' ..... #2600 lbs.

The above weights were with the;
* 170 6-Cylinder and 3-Speed Manual Transmission

Add in {+95 lbs.} with the 225 6-Cylinder and 4-Speed Manual Transmission.

The 'Commando 273' became available in late-1964, for the 1965 Model year.
 
autoxcuda said:
So are you are saying there was an actual proposal for a 340 '69 Valiant in '68/69?

From Chrysler or Hurst?

Where did you learn of this proposal from?
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Dave Landrith of Hurst Performance Research was involved in later 1968
for the project with Plymouth.
 
69 Cuda 440 said:
1964 Plymouth Valiant's

Only available with the 170/101 HP - 6-Cylinder, or 'optional' 225/170 HP - 6-Cylinder.

Shipping Weight
V-100 2-Door Sedan ......... #2540 lbs.
Signet 2-Door 'Hardtop' ..... #2600 lbs.

The above weights were with the;
* 170 6-Cylinder and 3-Speed Manual Transmission

Add in {+95 lbs.} with the 225 6-Cylinder and 4-Speed Manual Transmission.

The 'Commando 273' became available in late-1964, for the 1965 Model year.
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I thought with the 64 Barracuda's getting a the Hi Po 273 that the Valiant would be able to get one too.

So would the 65 Valiant 100 with Hi Po 273 be the light Hi Po 273 car?
 
autoxcuda said:
I thought with the 64 Barracuda's getting a the Hi Po 273 that the Valiant would be able to get one too.

So would the 65 Valiant 100 with Hi Po 273 be the light Hi Po 273 car?
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Yes

'1965' - Shipping Weights - With the 'Commando 273'
* Valiant 2-Door Sedan 'V-100' ............ #2740 lbs.
* Valiant 2-Door Sedan 'V-200' ............ #2750 lbs.
* Signet 2-Door Hardtop' .................... #2820 lbs.

This is calculated with an Automatic Transmission and the 7 1/4" Rear-End.

Check out these '2' 1965 Valiant 'V-200' - 'Commando 273' Stockers.

Back-in-the-Day

The front Valiant, is a 2-Door 'Automatic'.

The back Valiant is a 4-Door '4-Speed'.

How many of those were built...........

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=4267
 
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