318 no start after sitting

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7dswinger

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Car hasn't been started for about a month and a half maybe two months. Ran perfectly before and started right up, now it won't. Turns over but nothing, no slight sputter or anything.

Battery's are dead so I'm currently charging them.
I've got an electric fuel pump and the EZ EFI system so no carb issues here.
I know it's getting gas, I can smell it.
Gonna pull the plugs after work Friday and check for spark as it seems like it isn't.
Any other things I should go through to check if it is getting spark?
 
What triggers the EFI? Very first step is "check for spark"

This TBI, multiport, ??
 
not to be funny but my bronco was like that to not sure why had fuel and spark.
 
Pull the air cleaner and watch the injectors as you crank. You can SEE if it's getting gas. Check spark at the coil wire. It's unlikely that you do not have spark but DO have fuel, if the TBI is ignition triggered, but it could be a bad coil or bad coil wire, or even something (bad rotor) in the cap/ rotor.
 
Seems like the efi's not triggering or getting power although the fuel pump is running (controlled by EFI). Been awhile since I messed with it but I'm pretty sure the led should be blue or do something.
 
Alright it doesn't appear that I've got spark or the EFI's triggering on ignition and run. Don't know if I'm checking for spark correctly though as it's only me doing this, no help lol
 
What kind of ignition?

If anything "but" Mopar ECU, just turn on the key and use a jumper to operate the starter at the starter relay, screwdriver, etc

Mopar ECU when you do this, the voltage is reduces as it still has the ballast resistor in circuit.

If you have a Mopar ECU, you either need a second person, or to rig a test gap up where you can see it through/ under the hood, or use a second person to operate the key into "start."
 
I've got a full MSD ignition, 6A box, blaster ss coil and E-curve digital dizzy.

Turn the key to on? I'll go see if I can figure out what contacts
 
If you have an MSD, go download the destructions. Theres some troubleshooting tips there. You should not be using the factory ballast, so you can check by turning on the key and jumpering the starter relay.
 
Correct the factory ballast isn't being used.
Held the #1 plug wire against a grounded sure face, no jump as far as I could tell.
 
Alright so the EFI isn't kicking on start up, it's acting as if you're not cranking the engine. I've hard wired it but that hasn't worked either BUT the EFI tells when you're cranking by a tack signal which I've got wired to the 6A box. If the there is no tach signal being sent to the EFI system it will not work.
So it's down the ignition system.

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Alright so I just shocked the **** out of myself with the coil so I can tell you it's working perfectly fine.
It's seems to me that either the distributor is bad (don't know how from sitting) but more likely the ignition system isn't being triggered to spark on when cranking over thus the EFI isn't kicking in either.
Checking all my connections at the second.
 
Here's what I'd do...........as I said go to MSD and download the MSD destructions for everything you have hooked up.

Get a good hot spark established FIRST

I assume this was running OK at one time so everything is wired right, right?

The tach signal on an MSD is NOT off the coil NEG so this means that just because the tach works does not mean the ignition system is OK


It could be a bad coil or even a coil wire. I like to check for spark with a grounded probe held near the coil tower, as that eliminates a bad coil wire.

I won't be a heck of a lot more help as I don't use MSD products.
 
I've got a very good spark coming off the coil wire into the distributor.
I've got all the MSD material now.
Yes it was running and starting just fine before

I'm thinking the issue's in the triggering as the EFI's not acknowledging a startup command but will turn on, as well as the ignition system is turning on but no acknowledgment of you cranking it over so no spark to plugs.

Just strange that this could happen due to sitting. Gonna check for 12 volts to the distributor. Maybe the 6A's bad as that could explain it as it sends the triggering signals, may try re-wiring so the 6A's not used if the dizzy checks out.
 
SHE LIVES!!!! haha got her start finally without doing anything other than plugging the hand held in and starting it that way. Starts and runs just fine now lol. Always the last place you look.
 
"The hand held?"

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hahahahaha the one on the left is about right :D
It's a little device you plug into the EFI system so you can change settings.
 
Alright the issue's back and plugging the handheld doesn't seem to be working this time. I think that was a fluke.
I check the distributor and when you key the car to "run" there's no voltage going to it. There should be though, right???!!!???

The MSD 6a requires a 12v source when the key's in the run and start.
The distributor is has three wires, ground, red and orange. Ground goes to ground or battery negative, orange goes to the white wire on the 6A to trigger to ignition, and red goes to 12v wired to the key on start and run.
The red wire on the distributor goes to the red wire going to the 6A to trigger it in the run and start positions.
If no voltage there then it wouldn't trigger the 6A to fire the coil thus no spark AND the distributor wouldn't have power. This also would mean that the EFI wouldn't have a tach signal from the 6A and thus wouldn't work.

May be an intermittent ground in the harness or somewhere that's on that side.
 
What exact part no is the distributor?

I've told you twice now to go to MSD and download the appropriate docs

Without knowing what dist you have I'm lost. And again, the MSD 6A sheet has some troubleshooting tips in there.
 
Like I said I have all the data sheets and have been looking at them.
This is it
http://www.msdperformance.com/Produ...sler,_318,_340,_360,_E-Curve_Distributor.aspx

I'm just a little baffled on why there wouldn't be any voltage to it on the run setting.

I took the connector for the distributor, hooked up my voltage meter to the 12v+ pin and took the other lead to a ground on the frame, read 12v+. Did the same thing for the ground or negative pin on the connector, got 12v+ to the battery+. SO there's no loose connection in the wiring there so there should be 12v+ between the two pins going into the distributor
BUT if you check both the pins there's no voltage, wtf there's no switch and there should be.

I've got through the 6A tips and it's all checked out so far
 
Alright so I re-wired the 6A box out so it's just the coil and the distributor to see if the 6A was causing the problems and no luck.

I know I have spark coming from the coil but no idea if I've got it coming from the distributor. I held the #1 plug wire near ground and no jump while cranking and the ignition system on.
Going to pull the plugs tomorrow and see if anythings up with them. Going to check for spark again with a spark plug this time to make sure if I'm getting spark there.
 
An idea.Check the distributor cap center button,try a different rotor. Had the rotor break down insulation wise. Voltage ,went to ground,through the dist.shaft. Happened,with my MSD,twice. Just a thought.
 
Hm good thought, I'll check. The way my luck usually is the shaft probably snapped :D haha. I shall check in the morn.
 
Thanks now I see what you have.

1--Do NOT check spark initially at the plug wires. Check rather at the coil tower directly and use a grounded probe like a clip lead and screwdriver.

2--You say you have now temporarily eliminated the 6A. So looking at the distributor sheet, you have

http://www.msdperformance.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=15032386333

orange from dist. to coil neg

red from dist to coil pos

black from dist to ground

You should be able to jumper a clip lead directly from a battery source (starter relay, etc) to the coil POS, crank the engine and get sparks at the coil

3--If so, THEN move to a plug tower. Pull a plug wire at the coil, and hold your grounded probe there at the dist. tower. Make sure you rotate the engine far enough, IE the dist, only comes around every 2 engine rotations. The advice above about a punched rotor was good, but you should already have spark at the coil, so now if you do have spark at a plug tower at the cap, you know the rotor is OK.

If you get spark that far, then go back and confirm, you SHOULD have battery power to coil + (this is still without the MSD) with the key in the run position.

4--If not, your possibilities are bad connection in the bulkhead connector, bad connection at the ignition switch connector, or bad switch

5--THIS POSSIBILITY does not explain why it would not "start and die."

The "run" voltage and the "start" ignition power comes off TWO separate ignition switch contacts, the old "blue" (run) and the old "brown" (resistor bypass circuit).

Normally if there is problems in the "run" circuit the engine will fire during start, and die in run

Normally if there is problems in the "bypass" circuit the engine will not fire in "start" but will start with the key in "run" and then jumpering the start relay.

Where and how did you connect these to the "new" feed to the MSD "small red" these wires originally went to the original ballast resistor which should now be bypassed
 
correct the ballast resistor is bypassed.
The old blue wire and two browns are tied together and then there's two blacks in there as well that are tied to the blue wire at another point. Don't remember much on it but to my recollection the blue and the two browns went to the ballast resistor along with a blue to the alternator regulator. Don't know about the blacks but it worked at some point . The EFI and Ignition system get's the 12v from the keyed position from that connection.

2.----- yes that is what I have done, figure 6. For all my tests I am hot wiring directly to the battery.

I got sparks with the 6A but have yet to check at the coil with this configuration, will do so.

If I have to hot wire this thing to run that's fine with me at this point, I just need it running so I can see if my new radiator fixes the cooling issue or not. Then I'm completely re-wiring the damn thing. Tired of this head banging on electrical. :banghead: haha
 
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