63 gt still wont start

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I got my new balancer, and slid it on. I put her on tdc and with the key on i turn the distributor just slightly until i hear a little pop inside. then i try to fire her up. I do not think shes getting fuel, or my distributor is still off a little. I may need to take the fuel pump off and give it a clean up. I am so close. She has been sitting so long. Also my negative batt. terminal smokes if i crank it too long.. I dont know, i need to get fuel to the carb. i dont think its getting any. it pops an awful lot while spraying staring fluid, but still wont start. she even caught on fire for a split second. the fuel pump may need to come off. She also seems slow cranking. my batt was 12.6 to begin with. I lubed up the cylinders so they did not stick. She was rebuilt, and sat for a long time, then i got her/
 
Popping/ burning/ flashback out the carb is ALWAYS a sign of either timing being off, the cam being out of time, or intake valves open

Your PROBABLY just have the distributor in "180 off" but START by checking your timing marks

Do this by making, buying, getting a "piston stop": (only an example)

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Unhook battery ground, adjust stop so that it will hit the piston "at some point", and install in the no1 plug hole, making sure that the piston is "down a ways"

Turn the engine by hand until it stops against the device, and make a temporary mark on the balancer directly under TDC on the timing tab.

Do the same CCW. Now you'll have two temporary marks some distance apart. True TDC will be halfway in between those marks.

NOW you can check the distributor. Pull out the stop, devise a way (long ways on a /6) to get your finger in the plug hole, or use a short length of fuel hose. If you have a compression gauge, you can use it.

Bump / turn the engine until you START to feel compression. Now watch the "marks" and turn the engine until it's say, 5 BTC or so. NOW put your distributor in ready to fire on no1. You already know how to "feel" for spark as you described. You should be able to fire it right up.
 
Easy to get the distributor 180* out. REAL easy. Some of the bestest engine builders I know do it all the time. It sounds like your problem is two fold. Sounds like there's no fuel and it is out of time. If it was getting gas at all, it would be popping like it is with the starting fluid. You tried pouring gas down the carb? Probably will do the same thing.
 
ok. I am going to try that right now. I have the fuel pump out, and the out let side was fairly dry. How much free play should the tounge have? I can move it a little, but just barely enough to compress the spring inside. Should I be able to blow air through it?
 
Yes, the fuel pump will have a little play but not a ton. If there is fuel on the inlet side of the pump and nopt the outlet side, sounds like the pump maybe bad. best way to tell is to remove the fuel line at the pump going to the carb. spin the engine and see if fuel comes out. If not, the pump is bad.
 
The fuel pump won't cause a backfire. Start by making sure you have good compression in each cylinder. If you don't there is no point in going any further. If you do have good compression, it's probably an ignition timing issue assuming you got the cam timing set correctly when the cover was off.
 
i did use the method u put up when i had the timing cover off i lined up my dots , put a piston stop in # 6 and spun the motor with a compression gauge in #1. I then placed my distributor in pointing to # 1 when i thought i was right about at tdc.
 
67Dart273 said:
How in heck did you "decide" where TDC was? Using the method I posted, you can make a pointer to get you going
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put your finger in #1 hole and spin it till there is pressure...

then put a pencil or something in there and spin it over by hand till it stops...

can get it dead on...
 
piston stop is the only way to get nuts on TDC, even without a timing tab. Pull all plugs--put stop in #1 on complression stroke (thumb builds pressure) turn slowly by hand in drive directioin--Hit the stop, mark the block, turn it back until you hit the stop again, mark. Bisect the 2 marks and that is where the TDC tab will go (minus any timing chain stretch) will get you close enough to figure 5 BTDC to turn points to break at for initial firing. You need fuel, compression and spark. You can run an electric pusher pump (even a 20 buck one from Pep boys) through a mechanical pump to prime carb. Works great for stored cars or weekend warriors. Garage Turkey baster full of gas shot into the bowl vent gets her done too.
 
wheelz 63 dart gt said:
I got my new balancer, and slid it on. I put her on tdc and with the key on i turn the distributor just slightly until i hear a little pop inside. then i try to fire her up. I do not think shes getting fuel, or my distributor is still off a little. I may need to take the fuel pump off and give it a clean up. I am so close. She has been sitting so long. Also my negative batt. terminal smokes if i crank it too long.. I dont know, i need to get fuel to the carb. i dont think its getting any. it pops an awful lot while spraying staring fluid, but still wont start. she even caught on fire for a split second. the fuel pump may need to come off. She also seems slow cranking. my batt was 12.6 to begin with. I lubed up the cylinders so they did not stick. She was rebuilt, and sat for a long time, then i got her/
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Just thought I'd chime in here. Everyone seems to have you on the right track on the timing. I just thoght I'd mention that the smoking negitve terminal indicates a high resistive connetion at the terminal (the terminal is loose or dirty). Clean and tighten both positive and negative terminals and you should be fine.
 
wheelz 63 dart gt said:
i did use the method u put up when i had the timing cover off i lined up my dots , put a piston stop in # 6 and spun the motor with a compression gauge in #1. I then placed my distributor in pointing to # 1 when i thought i was right about at tdc.
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tdc refers to the #1, not #6

the # piston must be at tdc , then the distributor rotor must be pointing at #1 plug wire on cap, or the drivers side front intake bolt.

The early a bodies have the timing marks on the passenger side of the cover, while 70 and up have the marks on the driver side on the front cover.

be sure of what you hav, though when you say that you've not installed the timing tap...leads me to believe you have the correct early timging cover and dampener, though most dampeners have the tdc mark for both early/late versions.fwiw
 
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