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I have these available and in stock ready to ship....part# HS-22......$485.00 plus shipping.
Info from our catalog.........
NEW!! For those who want the Instant Horsepower we have the answer! These don't have the fancy finish as the headers listed below, but do have a Flat Black finish. Flow tested to 7200 (max we dare on our engine). Requires the 90 degree oil filter adapter unit for clearance as well. These are a Try-Y type header with 1- 5/8" inlet tubes, 16 gauge tubing and 5/16" steel header plates. Main dump is 2-1/2" at 14 gauge and the secondary collector is at 1-7/8". Fits for 1967-69 Years either a 4-Speed or Automatic Car!
For 1963-66 A-body Small Blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these are made for Manual Steering Only cars with original stock bellhousings. It is imparative that especially for 4-speed cars, the original z-bar and bellhousing be used or they won't fit. (Does NOT APPLY TO THE POLLY 318 HEADS)
For 1967-69 A-Body Small blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these will fit on manual or power steering applications.
If you have used an engine swap kit to convert from slant-6 to small block V8, then you may have trouble making these fit. If a swap kit is used to convert the engine won't sit in exactly the same place as it would using an original k-member and mounts - See our other headers for these cars Part #HS-22MOD.
Info from our catalog.........
NEW!! For those who want the Instant Horsepower we have the answer! These don't have the fancy finish as the headers listed below, but do have a Flat Black finish. Flow tested to 7200 (max we dare on our engine). Requires the 90 degree oil filter adapter unit for clearance as well. These are a Try-Y type header with 1- 5/8" inlet tubes, 16 gauge tubing and 5/16" steel header plates. Main dump is 2-1/2" at 14 gauge and the secondary collector is at 1-7/8". Fits for 1967-69 Years either a 4-Speed or Automatic Car!
For 1963-66 A-body Small Blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these are made for Manual Steering Only cars with original stock bellhousings. It is imparative that especially for 4-speed cars, the original z-bar and bellhousing be used or they won't fit. (Does NOT APPLY TO THE POLLY 318 HEADS)
For 1967-69 A-Body Small blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these will fit on manual or power steering applications.
If you have used an engine swap kit to convert from slant-6 to small block V8, then you may have trouble making these fit. If a swap kit is used to convert the engine won't sit in exactly the same place as it would using an original k-member and mounts - See our other headers for these cars Part #HS-22MOD.
64dartwagon
Walking in Circles
I assume your asking about headers for a V8? If that's the case then yes, there are a few makes. Spitfire's don't know who makes them. Headman makes a set of full length fenderwell headers. Hooker makes a set of full length headers, that are part chassis and part fenderwell. There is cutting with the Hooker's and Headman's. It all depends on what you want.
PistolGrip
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These are Spitfire Brand Headers made by Howard Johnson. He's somewhere in Arkansas. If you can locate him you could save a bundle. I paid $175 for mine several years ago.
If you are refering to the headers in my pics, then...um....no, you are incorrect with your statement.
These headers are made locally here in the Pacific Northwest by a local craftsman. If you'd like, I can even snap a pic of the jigs and fixtures used to make them.
Again, these are NOT the infamous Spitfire headers!!!!
Do NOT be mis-lead by erroneous information.
Rick, I don't know you. Tried to do business with your company several times. Nothing I've ever inquired about is ever in stock and nobody that I've talked to from your business knows what they're talking about.
Sorry, but you have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned and your website is poor to say the least. I would caution anyone attempting doing business with your company to be VERY cautious.
Sorry, but you have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned and your website is poor to say the least. I would caution anyone attempting doing business with your company to be VERY cautious.
AdamR
Big Member
ChargerDart, We all know of Layson rep but Rick has done everyone who has done business with him right.
'64 Cuda
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Doug's makes a set of headers for the smallblock in the early A bodies. They're $819.95 from Summit.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DOU-D450&FROM=MG
Suregrip 391 (?) had a buddy that was selling Doug's headers for less, somewhere in the $650 range IIRC but that was maybe a year ago & I don't know if he can still get them. You might check with him.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DOU-D450&FROM=MG
Suregrip 391 (?) had a buddy that was selling Doug's headers for less, somewhere in the $650 range IIRC but that was maybe a year ago & I don't know if he can still get them. You might check with him.
66dartman
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I have dougs and I like them on my 66. They are pricey but are nice headers.
I have these available and in stock ready to ship....part# HS-22......$485.00 plus shipping.
Info from our catalog.........
NEW!! For those who want the Instant Horsepower we have the answer! These don't have the fancy finish as the headers listed below, but do have a Flat Black finish. Flow tested to 7200 (max we dare on our engine). Requires the 90 degree oil filter adapter unit for clearance as well. These are a Try-Y type header with 1- 5/8" inlet tubes, 16 gauge tubing and 5/16" steel header plates. Main dump is 2-1/2" at 14 gauge and the secondary collector is at 1-7/8". Fits for 1967-69 Years either a 4-Speed or Automatic Car!
For 1963-66 A-body Small Blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these are made for Manual Steering Only cars with original stock bellhousings. It is imparative that especially for 4-speed cars, the original z-bar and bellhousing be used or they won't fit. (Does NOT APPLY TO THE POLLY 318 HEADS)
For 1967-69 A-Body Small blocks (273, 318, 340, 360), these will fit on manual or power steering applications.
If you have used an engine swap kit to convert from slant-6 to small block V8, then you may have trouble making these fit. If a swap kit is used to convert the engine won't sit in exactly the same place as it would using an original k-member and mounts - See our other headers for these cars Part #HS-22MOD.
Looks alot like Spitfires
I'll be selling the early A TTI headers off my 64 with the special clocked starter as soon as I get them removed. I decided to go with fenderwells. I haven't decided what I am going to ask for them but I don't want to loose my *** totally on them.
'64 Cuda
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Why are you switching? More power? I might be interested in them when they come off. No big hurry though.
64ragtop
Well-Known Member
As a very satisfied customer of Spitfire Headers, I must take issue with your use of the word "infamous". Harold (not Howard) Johnson is a one man shop making the original Spitfire Headers for Early A body Mopars with small block LA engines. He has a full time job, and builds the original Spitfire headers in his spare time when he has some ordered. He ships them C.O.D. to your door, and the last time I checked he was holding his price at $225.00 I don't know how Layson's managed to come up with a "very similar" (one might even say "suspiciously similar") header to the original Spitfires. I have heard the term "ripoff" applied in some similar situations
Lessee, $485 + shipping for a "suspiciously similar" product or $225 including shipping for the genuine original product from a little guy who has done right by everyone I have heard of for the last few years.
OOoooo "done right by everyone..." unlike a certain much larger outfit with a lot of baggage to live down.
Rick, if you can somehow manage to rebuild your company's reputation all by yourself, my hat will be off to you. Even though your posts to the board sometimes seem more like advertising than the usual run of questions and answers, I've been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, your gratuitous slap at the little guy who invented the shorty headers that yours so closely resemble is uncalled for. No one who has ever earned my trust has felt the need to run down the competition. So, you have just forfeited my trust. I doubt that it bothers you, though. But it seems that you've let your true nature slither through for all to see! For shame!
63dartman
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well said 64ragtop, Definately uncalled for. And those headers are spitfire knock-offs IMO. They probably use better paint for the higher price.
Because Harold designed and builds the headers out of his home garage
in his spare time he probably doesn't have a patient on them. Allthough
not a nice thing to do to Harold, Laysons can copy and sell them without breaking any laws. You can choose where to buy them. toolmanmike
in his spare time he probably doesn't have a patient on them. Allthough
not a nice thing to do to Harold, Laysons can copy and sell them without breaking any laws. You can choose where to buy them. toolmanmike
abodyjoe
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FYI, Rick is awesome, no issues with me! I just ordered more parts from him at Laysons and got the parts is less than 5 days, he said they were in stock, said he would ship and he did! Rick is a great guy man of his word.. They look like the spits and I know they are not, but yes similar.
abodyjoe
Well-Known Member
the cheapest are the spitfires. get ahold of harold. they are a nice fitting and working headder.
$225 as of last year. may have gone up but i don't know.
You can reach him at 1-479-650-9989.
You can also e-mail him at [email protected].
you have dougs , they are a full leangth headder. not sure on the part number though. think summit can get them but not sure.
hooker and headmans are fender well headders.
$225 as of last year. may have gone up but i don't know.
You can reach him at 1-479-650-9989.
You can also e-mail him at [email protected].
you have dougs , they are a full leangth headder. not sure on the part number though. think summit can get them but not sure.
hooker and headmans are fender well headders.
abodyjoe
Well-Known Member
thats the easy part. you buy a set of spitfires and build a jig to them so you can build your own and sell them for twice the price as the originals. kinda like what control freak did with the alter-k. but hey thats just my opinion and what do i know?
Then they are copies of the Spitfire Headers.
OneOfMany
Well-Known Member
LOL Rollin'.. "don't mention the war"
If there's something I have learned here (and other sites I browse) these topics are verbotten to many..
1 - Politics
2 - Religion
3 - TTI headers
4 - Alterkation
5 - Layson's
Anytime a subject anywhere close to these comes up, someone will jump in and STOMP!
Just skip the bashings and read between the posts for great info..
Grant
OK, here goes........
My post refering to the "infamous" spitfire headers was not in any way meant or intended to be deroggatory or demeaning to the person who makes them in any way.
I used the term "infamous" in the context of what I have read on the message boards the past eight years(even before I started working here in April '06) posted by folks who either already have them on their cars, or had them and switched to another kind, or was interested in getting them. I did NOT post anything negative in any way about the headers or the person making them. I think that some of you mis-read a person's written words and take it towards the negative when upon a closer reading that is not the case. Just because the word "infamous" is used, does not nessassarily mean that there is any negative connotation to the statement.
Now as to whether our shorty headers are a knock-off of the spitfire's or not is another issue. It may very well be that they are similar or a close match. But then again, I believe that Doug's, TTI's, Hedman's, or Hooker's are all SIMILAR in appearance while not being exactly the same. In order to judge whether or not the two kinds of shorty headers are the same or not, a person would have to have one of each sitting side by side. I have not been presented with the situation to have the two side by side....has anybody else?
My original post in this thread was to inform a board member about a choice of header we offer. Another member posted this: "These are Spitfire Brand Headers made by Howard Johnson. He's somewhere in Arkansas. If you can locate him you could save a bundle. I paid $175 for mine several years ago." He positively states without question that the headers in my pics were spitfire's....this is wrong. He also states the name of the maker is HOWARD instead of HAROLD, again....providing incorrect information.
My next post is the one where I used the term "infamous". It was then taken to be a negative comment, which is certainly not what I intended. I admit I could have probably chosen a better term to use.
My post refering to the "infamous" spitfire headers was not in any way meant or intended to be deroggatory or demeaning to the person who makes them in any way.
I used the term "infamous" in the context of what I have read on the message boards the past eight years(even before I started working here in April '06) posted by folks who either already have them on their cars, or had them and switched to another kind, or was interested in getting them. I did NOT post anything negative in any way about the headers or the person making them. I think that some of you mis-read a person's written words and take it towards the negative when upon a closer reading that is not the case. Just because the word "infamous" is used, does not nessassarily mean that there is any negative connotation to the statement.
Now as to whether our shorty headers are a knock-off of the spitfire's or not is another issue. It may very well be that they are similar or a close match. But then again, I believe that Doug's, TTI's, Hedman's, or Hooker's are all SIMILAR in appearance while not being exactly the same. In order to judge whether or not the two kinds of shorty headers are the same or not, a person would have to have one of each sitting side by side. I have not been presented with the situation to have the two side by side....has anybody else?
My original post in this thread was to inform a board member about a choice of header we offer. Another member posted this: "These are Spitfire Brand Headers made by Howard Johnson. He's somewhere in Arkansas. If you can locate him you could save a bundle. I paid $175 for mine several years ago." He positively states without question that the headers in my pics were spitfire's....this is wrong. He also states the name of the maker is HOWARD instead of HAROLD, again....providing incorrect information.
My next post is the one where I used the term "infamous". It was then taken to be a negative comment, which is certainly not what I intended. I admit I could have probably chosen a better term to use.
396 Signet
Well-Known Member
Infamous may not be too harsh a word when referring to Harold. Ordered my Spitfires in 2005 & have yet to receive despite many verbal promises. Paid $175 which seemed too good to be true & was. Harold seems to be a nice enough fellow but unfortunately seems very disorganized, COD with him is only way to go. Rick, you helped me out at Carlisle & are fine in my book.
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