66 dart headers

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OK, here goes........

My post refering to the "infamous" spitfire headers was not in any way meant or intended to be deroggatory or demeaning to the person who makes them in any way.

I used the term "infamous" in the context of what I have read on the message boards the past eight years(even before I started working here in April '06) posted by folks who either already have them on their cars, or had them and switched to another kind, or was interested in getting them. I did NOT post anything negative in any way about the headers or the person making them. I think that some of you mis-read a person's written words and take it towards the negative when upon a closer reading that is not the case. Just because the word "infamous" is used, does not nessassarily mean that there is any negative connotation to the statement.

Now as to whether our shorty headers are a knock-off of the spitfire's or not is another issue. It may very well be that they are similar or a close match. But then again, I believe that Doug's, TTI's, Hedman's, or Hooker's are all SIMILAR in appearance while not being exactly the same. In order to judge whether or not the two kinds of shorty headers are the same or not, a person would have to have one of each sitting side by side. I have not been presented with the situation to have the two side by side....has anybody else?

My original post in this thread was to inform a board member about a choice of header we offer. Another member posted this: "These are Spitfire Brand Headers made by Howard Johnson. He's somewhere in Arkansas. If you can locate him you could save a bundle. I paid $175 for mine several years ago." He positively states without question that the headers in my pics were spitfire's....this is wrong. He also states the name of the maker is HOWARD instead of HAROLD, again....providing incorrect information.

My next post is the one where I used the term "infamous". It was then taken to be a negative comment, which is certainly not what I intended. I admit I could have probably chosen a better term to use.

Dude. I've seen both. It's obvious that you guys copied Spitfire headers. I don't know why you are trying to side-step that issue. Spitfire headers were available LONG before the Layson's headers came on the scene. Then the Spitfires disappeared for a while. Then all of a sudden, Layson's has them available. It would have been very easy for Layson's to pick up a set at swap meet, on eBay, Craig's List, wherever and then have somebody copy them. Since Harold is a small-time guy, there was no way for him to fight back.

I normally don't try to start flame wars, but I could not sit idly and see this kind of thing go unchallenged.
 
Regardless of the quality of the product in question, the word infamous in reference to a person is considered neagtive..

"1- Having an exceedingly bad reputation; notorious.
2- Causing or deserving infamy; heinous: an infamous deed."

Dont know myself if the term is being used appropriately, but for those who understand the definition of the word, it is not how I would like to be described or remembered :)

Grant
 
FYI,

Infamous can also mean notorious, which can be used in a positive OR negative manner. For example: A person or object can be notorious for being a good thing ie: This restaurant is notorious(infamous) for serving the best tasting food. It can also be used to denote a negative experience ie: Today's gasoline is notorious(infamous) for being a low quality blend.
 
FYI,

Infamous can also mean notorious, which can be used in a positive OR negative manner. For example: A person or object can be notorious for being a good thing ie: This restaurant is notorious(infamous) for serving the best tasting food. It can also be used to denote a negative experience ie: Today's gasoline is notorious(infamous) for being a low quality blend.

Oh, come on, Rick! "This restaurant is notorious(infamous) for serving the best..." I'm afraid you're digging yourself in deeper. Don't you think 99 & 44/100ths writers would say "This restaurant is famous for serving the best..."
I learned a long time ago that when one realizes he's in a hole with shovel in hand, and dirt piling up outside the hole, the first thing to do is STOP DIGGING!

You may well be a perfectly fine and decent person, I don't know. perhaps when you open your own restoration parts shop I will get to know you better.

Frankly, I think it's shameful, though not illegal, for a large company to market a product "suspiciously similar" to that built by a hobbiest/craftsman. The shame of this situation came about before I was aware of your presence at your current employer. For you to (apparently) try singlehandedly to repair your employers well deserved reputation certainly says something for you. Kinda like Sampson cleaning out the Augean stables. I'm willing to grant that none of the shame of your employers marketing the product attaches to you.

If I had somehow JUST BECOME aware that Harold Johnson does exist, and does make the ORIGINAL Spitfire Headers, and does sell them at a very attractive price, and does ship only via C.O.D. (so the customer is not out any money until the product is delivered) I think I would refrain from promoting a similar product marketed by a company that beats up on "the little guy". I don't know if I would resign from an employer who conducted himself in such a shameless manner, but the thought would certainly cross my mind.

Now, to those who REALLY want their headers in a relatively short time, and who are aware that the second product on the market that "suspiciously resembles" the original, If Rick at his current employers truly does have them in stock (and I have no reason to doubt Rick's word) by all means, pay over twice the price + shipping.

If, on the other hand, you are willing to be PATIENT and let Harold get to your order In whatever time it takes him, you can take some pride in supporting the little individual craftsman, who really should have patented the headers, but apparently didn't, against the shameless big company. It may take a few phone calls (and Harold will call you back, unlike some companies I could name) and if you're willing to be polite and understanding when you speak with him, you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you did the RIGHT THING, and saved money too.

How often does THAT happen, folks???

That contact info and pricing again, for your convenience, and thanks to abobyjoe, is:

"$225 as of last year. may have gone up but i don't know.
You can reach him at 1-479-650-9989.
You can also e-mail him at [email protected]."

And if you are an impatient whiny or nasty phone customer, just don't bother Harold. He doesn't like it and it won't make him rush your order. Call Rick's employer and ***** at someone who deserves it!
 
Oh, ABOUT that side by side comparison you mentioned, Rick.... I am an honorably discharged disability retired U.S. Navy veteran of the Vietnam era (never in that particular swamp, thank God). Due to the generosity of the Navy and the Veteran's Administration, I have lots more time than money available. So, here's my offer: If you are willing to fly me to your location and back to my home in Austin, Texas, pay whatever lodging and transportation costs I incur, or pick me up, feed me and get me back to the airport in time for the next flight, I will be happy to bring a set of Spitfires so we can do that side by side comparison. I'll even bring a good digital camera to document the differences. We can paint your headers red and my Original Spitfires blue, to clearly show the differences and be patriotic at the same time! You'll need to furnish the paint, I'm pretty sure the feds won't let it on a plane.

Even better, If there's a dyno facility nearby, and you will pick up my lodging expenses, we can even test your headers against the original Spitfire Headers and report which is truly better for all the world to know. How much more fair a comparison can you imagine?

Of course, I would like to have all our arrangements in writing, with all the legalese language necessary to protect us both from any misunderstanding. The documents will need to be inspected by my attorney and properly notarized at both ends. I can arrange to have a friend feed my cats for a few days.

Deal, pal???
 
I bought a trunk seal gasket from Laysons. I used the recommended 3M product to install it, and it wouldn't stick to the glue. I went through the process three times and the gasket kept letting go of the glue. I ended up buying a gasket from R/T Specialties and it attached perfect the first time.

I looked at the Laysons booth at Spring Fling. Most of the **** they sell is made in China. Do you guys want that crap on your car? I don't! Garbage!
 
If, on the other hand, you are willing to be PATIENT and let Harold get to your order In whatever time it takes him, you can take some pride in supporting the little individual craftsman, who really should have patented the headers, but apparently didn't, against the shameless big company. It may take a few phone calls (and Harold will call you back, unlike some companies I could name) and if you're willing to be polite and understanding when you speak with him, you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you did the RIGHT THING, and saved money too.


very well stated. i talked to harold a while back and man what a nice guy. yes some people didn't get their headders the first time around and that is wrong but he was having personal problems from what i understand. maybe not a good excuse but i think people can relate.. this time around he is sending them out C.O.D. how can you beat that. you don't have to worry about losing your money. you don't pay until you get your headders. sounds more then fair to me and it shows that he is making efforts to build his reputation back up.

as far as laysons go. i have read way to many horror stories from customers of theirs to ever buy something sight unseen from them. only way i will ever buy from laysons is if i'm at a show and i'm holding whatever part it is in my hands.
 
FYI,

Infamous can also mean notorious, which can be used in a positive OR negative manner. For example: A person or object can be notorious for being a good thing ie: This restaurant is notorious(infamous) for serving the best tasting food. It can also be used to denote a negative experience ie: Today's gasoline is notorious(infamous) for being a low quality blend.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infamous
 
Will the spitfires work with the stock 1965 column shift automatic? It is one year only as it uses the cable operated 904 and a black box "cable adapter" on the steering column, ahead of the firewall.
 
probably not. djv cuda had to extent eh column on his 66 and that doesn't have that big box you have.
 
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