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Springer2269

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I have a 71 Dart Swinger with a 360, it was in storage for about a year without being started. I put a new battery in and cranked it over with the coil wire out to make sure I had oil pressure. It would run pouring some gas in the carb but wasn’t getting any fuel from tank. I put changed the oil, a new fuel pump, spark plugs and a gas filter and it started right up. At idle it seems to have a little miss but when I drop it in gear it really misses and shakes the whole car. Cap, rotor and wires are ordered and hopefully they will solve the problem. My question on the passenger side exhaust tip it blows warm to hot exhaust but on the drivers side the exhaust is cool and not even warm. Am I right in thinking my problem or miss is on the drivers side? Also I did fill up with fresh high test. Thank for any ideas with my problem
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Would anything egr related cause it? I know. A question with a question,:BangHead:
 
If it ran fine before it got put in storage, and just sat.
Quit changing parts, drain the junk gas, then see how it runs.
 
the first thing I did was flush tank and filled with premium after it wouldn’t start the first day, I’ve also checked the timing. Great idea I’ll try a heat gun tomorrow to see if there’s a dead cylinder. Car ran strong when it was put away, things happen and it just got neglected. Thanks again
 
Make sure a pushrod didn't pop out of a rocker. Seen that happen after sitting and the lifter collapsed. It won't tick if its not in the rocker
 
I'd pull the plugs, check that particular plug.
If it's soaking wet (gas), could be bad plug, more likely wire, cracked/carbon tracked cap maybe.
If it's dry, or oil soaked, rockers/pushrods would be my next stop.
Compression test.
Good luck
 
The worst thing you can do to these old motors is crank them for oil pressure. With the oil pump not spinning fast enough to move oil at cranking RPM. If the motor had an external oil system, that is one thing. But with a stock style motor/ oiling setup. Just start the motor.
 
I do not know what a compression test will achieve NOW. The test done in post #14 shows a problem with cyl #4. Check for a defective plug, plug lead, carbon tracking in the dist cap, bent prod, wiped cam lobe.
 
I would not. I would first check compression and or leak down test. That is what they are made for--to do diagnostics without tearing into stuff and ruining gaskets, etc

Also a note about pulling wires. I recommend you do not. Instead, "rig" so you can SHORT the spark to ground. I used to work the dist. boots up away from the distributor, and insert small brads or paper clips down each plug tower, or use a very small thin probe. You can use a 12V test lamp (lamp not an LED) the spark will not hurt it. Then you can short each plug tower individually. WHY? Because when you PULL a wire, it creates a HUGE spike in voltage which can crossfire and lead you down a wrong path. Also with modern high power ignition, you can damage an ignition module when pulling a wire like that.

I also have, or used to have a pair of insulated fuse pullers for the large household cartridge fuses. You can loosen the plug boots, them get a grounding probe handy, and ease them part way off with your fuse pullers, then put the shorting probe inside the connector so it does not crossfire.
 
to the OP, yeah,
You can take shortcuts if you want.
But then, many hours later, having not found the problem, you're finally gonna do a compression test, at least on the isolated cylinder, and then if it jumps up and bites you on the nose, you might as well go inside and ask yur wife to kick yur azz. lol.
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Sure, for all we know, the low-speed circuit on one side, may not be working properly and on a dualplane this is gonna affect 2 cylinders on each side, but maybe one cylinder is getting enough to idle on, one is getting none, and the other two are sputtering along.
So I get it, a compression test is NOT gonna find that for you. But if you don't KNOW the compression is even, then will you ever think it's all just an emmulsion-tube issue?
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> I bet most guys are going down the ignition road....... and a few hundred dollars later, it still ain't running any better. Now What? Are you gonna do a compression test yet?
> This engine has 1800 miles on it. Should you be suspecting a Lobe gone bad? Most of us are gonna listen for the tell-tale rocker-gear rattle. But you know, those lifters have a working range of over .085, so it could take a lotta wear before it rattles........ but it will show up on the compression test right away.
> But no, most guys are moving on to carburation. They'll spend several hours on that, come up empty, and borrow another carb; or worse buy one. With no change. So now, you could be into it for lotsa-dollars, and you're still no closer to a solution. Is it time for a compression test yet?
Answer; Heck-NO! that shouldda been the first test.
If you already have a good screw-in tester, it costs you zero dollars.
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Even with a perfect compression test, with a brand new carb, and ignition system; there's still lotsa things it could be. But by far, the compression test is almost always the fastest and cheapest road to finding a solution, or formulating a game-plan..
>Even after you have a bad cylinder isolated, there are still like, SIX things it could be, not including mystery problems. I mean count them with me;
lobes gone, rocker gear, sticking valves, Ignition, carburetion, and exhaust. That's six.
And then you have mysteries, like water in the floatbowl, wrong float-level, rags in the intake, collapsed mufflers, crossed wires, inductive cross fires, cracked plug insulators, loose primary connections, a bad headgasket, Primary throttle closed too far, Secondary not closed all the way, or throttles not synced to eachother, vacuum leaks, floatbowl internal leakage, and the list goes on. That's like a whole bunchamore.
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Usually, compression problems are gonna be the most expensive to fix; so I start there. Then, if that's where the issue is, then I can give my customer an idea of what it's gonna cost to continue. Maybe the project is already too expensive for the customer, and he pays for just a C-test. But suppose his pockets are deeper, then I can run a few more tests, and broaden the picture. Maybe it gets better, but maybe it gets worse. Maybe I find out the compression problem started out as a detonation problem, and the engine needs to come apart, AND the timing fixed. What if, simultaneously, the carb was lean, and now it needs a valvejob? So then, very quickly the cost has gone from a few tests to a repair estimate of thousands of dollars.
Had I never started with a compression test, How am I gonna tell the customer later that I effed up? I can't afford to ef up like that, and my boss is not gonna be impressed with that bill either.
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Now, I have been a motorcycle tech for many decades, and I get that, that industry is a lil different than is automotive. And nearly every problem on a bike can be traced to a compression issue. So when a bike comes in with certain symptoms, Ima gonna do a compression test, or, you can take it down the road. I fix stuff. I don't put bandaids on gushing arteries.
Same when I do marine work. the last thing a guy wants is to be stuck out on the water ripping on the rope; lemmee fix it right or take it on down the road.
Same with chainsaws; some guys make a living with those.
Now: Pushmowers, that's a different world. I quit working on those many decades ago. We sent those to a retired old guy, who was pretty good at it, and his shoprate was a fraction of ours. Now, I'm the retired old guy in my community, and guess what ............ Hyup, I do a lotta compression tests, which usually ends up with me owning the junker, and them buying a new one. I got 23 pushmowers, three riders, a snowblower, a tiller, and a whole mess of chainsaws/and string trimmers.. I'm thinking of going into the rental business, lol.
 
I would not. I would first check compression and or leak down test. That is what they are made for--to do diagnostics without tearing into stuff and ruining gaskets, etc

Also a note about pulling wires. I recommend you do not. Instead, "rig" so you can SHORT the spark to ground. I used to work the dist. boots up away from the distributor, and insert small brads or paper clips down each plug tower, or use a very small thin probe. You can use a 12V test lamp (lamp not an LED) the spark will not hurt it. Then you can short each plug tower individually. WHY? Because when you PULL a wire, it creates a HUGE spike in voltage which can crossfire and lead you down a wrong path. Also with modern high power ignition, you can damage an ignition module when pulling a wire like that.

I also have, or used to have a pair of insulated fuse pullers for the large household cartridge fuses. You can loosen the plug boots, them get a grounding probe handy, and ease them part way off with your fuse pullers, then put the shorting probe inside the connector so it does not crossfire.
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Thanks, I’m picking up a compression tester today and will check. I pulled new plugs out and that cylinder the plug is wet. Not oil wet gas wet.
 
How did it run when you put it down?
It ran fantastic, then life got it the way and it sat in a Florida garage untouched for 9 months to a year. When I pulled it out and tried to start it, I put fresh gas in it. Primed carb and started for a second and died. I determined fuel pump died so replaced it, put new gas filter and changed the oil. Turned the key and started right up but with a bad miss, I pulled the plugs and 6 were black with carbon and 2 were wet with gas not oil. Pulled the plug wires one at a time with it running and the second cylinder from the front on the passenger side made no difference in the motor and that was the plug that was wet.
I now thinking push rod, lifter or valve spring. Before I pull the valve covers I’m going to do the compression's test everyone is recommending. Engine only has 1800 miles on it
 
Now, I have been a motorcycle tech for many decades, and I get that, that industry is a lil different than is automotive. And nearly every problem on a bike can be traced to a compression issue. So when a bike comes in with certain symptoms, Ima gonna do a compression test, or, you can take it down the road. I fix stuff. I don't put bandaids on gushing arteries.
Same when I do marine work. the last thing a guy wants is to be stuck out on the water ripping on the rope; lemmee fix it right or take it on down the road.
Same with chainsaws; some guys make a living with those.
Now: Pushmowers, that's a different world. I quit working on those many decades ago. We sent those to a retired old guy, who was pretty good at it, and his shoprate was a fraction of ours. Now, I'm the retired old guy in my community, and guess what ............ Hyup, I do a lotta compression tests, which usually ends up with me owning the junker, and them buying a new one. I got 23 pushmowers, three riders, a snowblower, a tiller, and a whole mess of chainsaws/and string trimmers.. I'm thinking of going into the rental business, lol.

Wish I had known you when my kids got into bikes, expansion chambers. ? ? ? Lol
 
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