Counterfeit Cars on FABO!!!

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AdamR said:
State issued vin # registered as a kit car.
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I believe they must meet state emission laws for the year they are titled. This kit car deal is just a way around getting to sell them for replacements bodies for rot boxes. Once you got the body you can do with it what ever you want. You can even use the state issued vin to junk your existing body and there goes that evidence. it is being done and there is no stopping it.
 
Just my 2cents, but I see a lot of guys rationalizing some type of re-vinning, whether to save an old car, or whatever.

The fact of the matter is, its illegal. plain and simple, regardless of the reason. It's a federal crime, with real consequences.

As to replacing every piece of the car around a VIN, thats wrong too. I'm sorry, but if a Hemi Cuda convertible gets squashed, or rusted to the point of no return, its not ok to resurrect it by using another vehicle. At that point, all you own is a title and a VIN tag. The car is gone. That's the way it is supposed to stay.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
I believe they must meet state emission laws for the year they are titled. This kit car deal is just a way around getting to sell them for replacements bodies for rot boxes. Once you got the body you can do with it what ever you want. You can even use the state issued vin to junk your existing body and there goes that evidence. it is being done and there is no stopping it.
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Yes, I think your correct. But for Virginia if there is no chassis number (Dynacorn body?) you can use motor as your year on the registration...at least the way I interpret the folowing:

"Specially or reconstructed vehicles are titled according to their chassis numbers, if any, or by their motor serial numbers. Inspections are required according to the model year that is shown on the registration."

Again, Federal and State laws dictate what's legal. But title will reflect a "Specialty" or "Reconstructed" car. But if someone wants to break the law you are right, there is nothing stopping them. Unless of course they get caught, and then they will become someone's *****.
 
jeryst said:
Just my 2cents, but I see a lot of guys rationalizing some type of re-vinning, whether to save an old car, or whatever.

The fact of the matter is, its illegal. plain and simple, regardless of the reason. It's a federal crime, with real consequences.

As to replacing every piece of the car around a VIN, thats wrong too. I'm sorry, but if a Hemi Cuda convertible gets squashed, or rusted to the point of no return, its not ok to resurrect it by using another vehicle. At that point, all you own is a title and a VIN tag. The car is gone. That's the way it is supposed to stay.
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You are right. Thanks for bringing this back to the my main point for this thread.
 
Demon 408 said:
True. But for every person that got ripped off there was at one point in the life of that car a dishonest seller.

By the the way, I cut some slack to "OP" on the other post...but just a little. So see I do have a heart...it's just dark and cold. :angel9:
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I knew you had a heart some where in there... If I go look at a high end car it's gonna be really hard to fool me, granted a lot of people just see a shiny paint job and they start slobbering all over their selfs and their common sense goes out the window...
 
jeryst said:
Just my 2cents, but I see a lot of guys rationalizing some type of re-vinning, whether to save an old car, or whatever.

The fact of the matter is, its illegal. plain and simple, regardless of the reason. It's a federal crime, with real consequences.

As to replacing every piece of the car around a VIN, thats wrong too. I'm sorry, but if a Hemi Cuda convertible gets squashed, or rusted to the point of no return, its not ok to resurrect it by using another vehicle. At that point, all you own is a title and a VIN tag. The car is gone. That's the way it is supposed to stay.
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I can't agree with this one, I known some damn good body men, as long as that hemi cuda is sitting there with all the correct Vin's in place an has the correct title and someone is good enough to totally rebuild it, it's still a hemi cuda in my book.. How many cars are "totally restored" that don't get all new metal, glass and the works??
 
As to replacing every piece of the car around a VIN, thats wrong too. I'm sorry, but if a Hemi Cuda convertible gets squashed, or rusted to the point of no return, its not ok to resurrect it by using another vehicle. At that point, all you own is a title and a VIN tag. The car is gone. That's the way it is supposed to stay.
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Dead nutz on the money. I have a hard time believing any enthusiast would argue that, but I guess there is an argument for everything:rolleyes:
 
ab7fh said:
Dead nutz on the money. I have a hard time believing any enthusiast would argue that, but I guess there is an argument for everything:rolleyes:
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You would argue with a fence post ab...
So now what are you guys saying???? That if a car still has "every correct VIN still on it" that people don't have the right to rebuild/restore it?? This is really too stupid to argue about...
 
forget the original screws on your fender tag, i used a screw with a double nut on the bottom with lock tight, and then siliconed the top of the screw head. they will just walk past mine to get an easy one.
 
id like to see some guys NOW get their hemi cuda squished and not frantically try to get it back and just walk away going eh, its only a hemi cuda. and i mean now not 20 years ago, so dont bring up stories about how you lost a 340 aar cuda to a semi and crushed it in the earlys 80s. cause if you had an aar now and a semi hit you, youd sue that poor man or woman out the *** and boot in your own cash to fix the car. you wouldnt walk away going eh its junk now.
 
As long as that hemi cuda VIN stayed on the cuda it came on who's to judge what's to far gone to rebuild/restore?? The bodyman, that's who...
 
Good debate guys, I think we covered everything from changing VIN's to modifying granny's wheel chair.... :toothy10:
 
I remember awhile back I ALMOST bought a 74 Road Runner,but guess what?After research,it was actually a Satellite.It had the beep beep horn,the center console,ever a RR Dashboard and steering whell,very authentic looking..but what threw me off was when I was looking at it,the original color underneath the paint didnt jive with that of a RR(there was a unpainted spot in the trunk jam.So I took a pencil rub of the fender tag,turned out to be a 74 Satellite Sebring.(plus,you can see the original color of the RR hood underneath the hood,wasnt a original hood)
 
So now what are you guys saying???? That if a car still has "every correct VIN still on it" that people don't have the right to rebuild/restore it?? This is really too stupid to argue about...
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This is comical. "Every correct VIN" on a car that left Detroit with a 6cyl can suddenly becomes a HEMI and it's ok to pass it off as such? Sometimes Federal laws are a damn good thing. I believe in this case it sure as hell is. I call putting new VINs on a 6cyl, or a repopped chassis FRAUD.

There were only so many Hemi cars made. When they are gone, they are gone. Better have good insurance if you own one cause all you "deserve" is a reimbursement, not another car with your old VIN tags.
 
ab7fh said:
This is comical. "Every correct VIN" on a car that left Detroit with a 6cyl can suddenly becomes a HEMI and it's ok to pass it off as such? Sometimes Federal laws are a damn good thing. I believe in this case it sure as hell is. I call putting new VINs on a 6cyl, or a repopped chassis FRAUD.

There were only so many Hemi cars made. When they are gone, they are gone. Better have good insurance if you own one cause all you "deserve" is a reimbursement, not another car with your old VIN tags.
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Maybe you should read, understand and know what an "EXAMPLE" is before you comment... Do you even own a Mopar or have ever owned one??
 
greenhornet said:
You would argue with a fence post ab...
So now what are you guys saying???? That if a car still has "every correct VIN still on it" that people don't have the right to rebuild/restore it?? This is really too stupid to argue about...
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I'm not saying that at all, maybe you should read a little slower. What I am saying is that if all you have is a VIN and a title, and you build a car around it, that is a re-VIN. I understand that many people totally restore their cars, and that sometimes you dont know where the restoration starts and the car ends. It is a very fine line, and there are arguments on both sides depending mostly on whether you are the one that owns the vehicle.
 
greenhornet said:
Do you even own a Mopar or have ever owned one??
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My first Dodge Dart, bought from my Grandma when I was 16 in 1978 with 18,000 miles. Turned it into an 11sec car...

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My "new" Dodge Dart tribute to the first, 10 second car... Built it myself from the ground up over three years. Even built my own rotisserie.

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My Mopar tow rig...

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Geez, I wonder why I have been on this site 5 years longer than you??
 
Demon408- I completely agree with you and if you check an earlier post, actually had someone trying to buy a vin and paperwork from me for one of his vehicles which I turned down. That being said- I am one of those guys that has a duster that I'm making into a demon for the sole fact that- that's what I want. can I find a decent one later? likely. Finances are what the deal is with me. Will I represent the car as a Demon? yes and no. I tell all people that ask about it in my shop that its a DUSTER that I'm making into a Demon. Will I change vins? not no- but HELL NO. I think that that is flat out deceitful. If I ever sell it, will I disclose the correct pedigree? Absolutely.
 
BTW, friend... I will be the first to admit that my latest "Dodge Dart" is NOT a 1970 Dart, nor is it actually a DART at all. The shell is a 1973 Valiant with parts from '70, '71 and '73. The VIN remains Valiant as it should be.
 
jeryst said:
I'm not saying that at all, maybe you should read a little slower. What I am saying is that if all you have is a VIN and a title, and you build a car around it, that is a re-VIN. I understand that many people totally restore their cars, and that sometimes you dont know where the restoration starts and the car ends. It is a very fine line, and there are arguments on both sides depending mostly on whether you are the one that owns the vehicle.
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I didn't take this part of your comment as removing the VIN>>> As to replacing every piece of the car around a VIN, thats wrong too. I'm sorry, but if a Hemi Cuda convertible gets squashed, or rusted to the point of no return, its not ok to resurrect it by using another vehicle

It's up to the owner to decide what the point of no return is, not anyone else...
 
ab7fh said:
BTW, friend... I will be the first to admit that my latest "Dodge Dart" is NOT a 1970 Dart, nor is it actually a DART at all. The shell is a 1973 Valiant with parts from '70, '71 and '73. The VIN remains Valiant as it should be.
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That's a good lookin' Dart....
 
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