So what is the pinion centerline deg if the trans centerline is 2 degs down?
if the spring perch is 5 degs up mounted the pinion would be 5 degs downOkay.
But my factory untouched housing was 5° down, and needed two degrees more down to get it where I want it after a ss spring install. If it WERE 5° up, I would have had a he'll of a time finding 12° shims......
So what is the pinion centerline deg if the trans centerline is 2 degs down?
That's exactly what I do. It's not rocket science.pinion centerline should be set 2-4 deg negative relative to transmission centerline. as per Cass . Do the math
I've already answered this once. It's relative to the ground. I weld the perches on so the pinion center line is 5 degrees up relative to the ground. That is the ONE TIME when the ground is relevant. After that, it doesn't matter where the ground is, or if the car is flipped upside down, backwards or inside out, because from there you are measuring working angles of the u joints.When you set your pinion at 5 degrees, is that measured relative to the ground? If not what is the 5 degrees relative to?
Yup. Cass has it right. That's exactly how I do it.
Yeah, because you set it up with the rear axle upside down so you can get to the perches to weld them on, so you're actually pointing the pinion 5 down. Once flipped right side up and installed, the pinion has a 5 up angle built in.So with rear end out of the car and the spring pads level to the ground the front of the pinion is angled down 5 degrees relative to the ground?
So when you say you always set your rear ends with the front of the pinion pointing down toward the ground at a 5 degree angle relative to the ground this is with the rear end upside down?Yeah, because you set it up with the rear axle upside down so you can get to the perches to weld them on, so you're actually pointing the pinion 5 down. Once flipped right side up and installed, the pinion has a 5 up angle built in.
Yes so I can get to the perches to weld them on. Once right side up, the pinion is 5 up.So when you say you always set your rear ends with the front of the pinion pointing down toward the ground at a 5 degree angle relative to the ground this is with the rear end upside down?
I didn't see here where the rear end was upside down when you measured it.Yes it is! With this Ford 9" I am building to go under Vixen for example. I did the same with it that I do with any other rear axle starting from scratch. When locating the perches, I get the location and width correct and then rotate the housing so the pinion ends up 5 degrees nose down and make my welds. Done many like that and they turn out spot on every time.
Because I didn't include it. Do it however you want. I know the way I've been setting them up almost 40 years works. One more time. This is all covered in the MP chassis and suspension book. Just like all the engine information is in the engine books. I never have understood why some Mopar guys refuse to get copies of those books. They were the first publications I bought when I got serious into Mopar. It seems like some guys dig their heels in even harder against getting them whenever some of us make the recommendation. I just don't get it.I didn't see here where the rear end was upside down when you measured it.
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I know you are trying to help. But you can see where a person could be confused or mislead by your post. I think you would agree the part about the rear end being upside down was key to the information you provided. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes. I believe currently I hold top score in that category. xxxoooBecause I didn't include it. Do it however you want. I know the way I've been setting them up almost 40 years works. One more time. This is all covered in the MP chassis and suspension book. Just like all the engine information is in the engine books. I never have understood why some Mopar guys refuse to get copies of those books. They were the first publications I bought when I got serious into Mopar. It seems like some guys dig their heels in even harder against getting them whenever some of us make the recommendation. I just don't get it.
pinion centerline should be set 2-4 deg negative relative to transmission centerline. as per Cass . Do the math
The angle of perch on an a-body is angled down, if you set the perch level it 5 degrees UP, in other words its 5 degrees different,I think he is referring to the factory setting. Mopar welded the spring pads at a nose-down 5° angle, to account for the angle of the front segment of the leaf springs.
No, not at all. I wasn't directing any of that at you at all. Sorry if it came out like that.Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I know you are trying to help. But you can see where a person could be confused or mislead by your post. I think you would agree the part about the rear end being upside down was key to the information you provided. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes. I believe currently I hold top score in that category. xxxooo