harley-davidson guys

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If you are not looking to get into a large scale performance application that requires lots of parts I would suggest beginning with the 1200 conversion and retaining the 883 heads and cams. I have used both the HD screaming eagle kits and the Wiesco kits. The HD parts are cast pistons and will be slightly quieter but will up your compression ratio and require you to compensate for that in some way. When I worked at the dealership we would machine the stock 883 heads and set cc's to what we felt best suited the customers expectations for performance. This would also allow us to set proper quench and squish areas. If you do not have the capability or do not want to pay for the machine work get the Wiesco dished piston kit. I haven't checked in some time but there are probably others who make quality kits as well. I've used Ross pistons with great luck on past projects.

This might also provide some helpful reading.
http://www.steele.com/dan/faq2.htm#_Toc9307751

I've also built motors using this Bob Johnson's heads.
http://www.johnsonenginetechnology.com/JETPAGES/aboutjet.html
You're gonna pay for the heads but the rest of the motor stays pretty much stock and you don't need to worry about "what works".

Buell heads are the way to go though IMO. Easy, no guess work, and they just plain work. I would not use them on a stock 883/1200 conversion though. I personally feel they are just to large and flow too much for the stock 883 cams and conversion kits compression ratio. Great addition for the future though should you be thinking about continuing to modify the motor.

The last motor I did for myself was an 87 1100 that I bored and installed 1200 pistons in. 1100s were only made in 86 & 87. 1987 used factory sand cast heads which also came with the largest factory installed valves. I welded and ported these heads to a bathtub chamber design similar to what Branch offered. Also raised the intake runners slightly, pocketed the ports and knife edged epoxy runners to the guides. No need to do that kind of work anymore with the current performance parts and head availability. Save yourself the headaches and buy a bolt on kit, that way you can do it yourself without the need for machining. Mine made 113 HP 94 ft lbs of torque and I would destroy any Buell and most pre twin cam big twins that I raced. Great fun beating S&S sidewinder big twins with my "skirt-ster"

There is going to be many different suggestions given to you. Unfortunately most guys tend to over cam and over carb, same guys will tell you drag pipes make more power too. Stop and think about what you are trying to accomplish and what you are willing to modify and purchase in order to make that happen. Start simple and add to it as time and money permit. Lots of good recommendations here for a Mopar site though...LOL.

My lil girly sportster BTW
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lol, nice girly sportster. i like the exhaust, reminds me of a flat tracker pipes. bike looks bad a$$. If it had some lower handle bars it would almost look like a cafe racer. Yep, ill be starting off basic, with just 1200 kit and wait for cams, ignition, ect....



BTW not that im going to worry too much about it yet but i was wondering, what would be more effective? Buel heads or ported 883 heads with big valves?
 
I'm not a big fan of certain "jet kits". Some of them come with a very light spring for the vacuum piston which causes it to react extreemly fast. What that does is cause a rich condition in the low rpm range. There's also a kit out there that gives you a new emulsion tube with only one hole in it in stead of five.Talk about a screwed up signal to the main jet!
I leave all the factory parts in the carb,but re-jet it as needed. Depending on where you live and what mods have been done to the rest of the bike the low speed will be somewhere between a 45 and a 48, and the main will be somewhere between a 175 and 195. One thing that I do modify is to limit the pump shot. That thing puts a ton of fuel in there. Cut it down to about half the travel, and also remove the low speed adjustment plug under the carb so you can trim your idle mixture. That should be at about two and a half turns out as a starting point.Then just adjust it for best idle quality.
The CV carbs are great carbs. H.D. has 44mm and a 51mm version. I think Yamaha offers a 58. That will move some air! I've even built a few dual carb engines with them. They were fun!

I see, well i dont have a problem with spending a little extra for a harley jet kit.

im not even sure i trust my carb tuning abilities though, i can install the jets but ill probably have someone tune it who knows what they are doing, lol, id send it too ya if you were a little closer lol
 
i would bring the heads to a machine shop to port the heads,install a carb kit in your stock cv carb.the cv is the best one you can have for a street hop up.
 
Yep once you get much more than the likes of the N4 cams the bottom end starts to suck for the street. So as mentioned do not OVER cam

Lots of good info here.

As I mentioned the heads I have were CCed for the Harley conversion kits they offer. So you get the quench areas and the proper compression to liveon the street. Fom there you can do what you want, port to with in reason and add bigger valves etc.

But just a note: aftre you go to a 1200 which is the most bang for the buck, the HP is going to cost you for every 5 to 10 you add.

Good luck and I would get theHarley-Davidson Sportster Performance Handbook, 3rd Edition

https://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_33921.ncm
 
Big Ed. What exhaust mufflers are those and what rear fender is that from or whom's. Way cool looking bike man.
 
Hey Big Ed, that thing RULES! I love the xlcr look. All it needs is an 18" in the rear.
Great job!
Ted
 
Thanks for the compliments guys!
Pipes are stainless SuperTrapp's that I had black ceramic coated with the ST aluminum end caps and ran 21 diffuser plates in them. Tail section is a Sreamin' Eagle part right from the dealer (helps to have worked there and have on hanging on the wall...lol). Mine fit pre 93 frames but I believe they can be had for the newer bikes. If not check with Storz performance http://www.storzperf.com/
I trimmed off the number plate mounting tabs off of the Harley piece and ran a side mount plate off the upper shock bolt. 150 rear tire fit nicely that way.
Ted, my goal was to make a wicked cool bike that replicated 3 of my all time favorite HD models. The original 80 Sturgis, the XLCR and the mostly forgotten XLX1000s.

I also agree with the comment about the N4 cams on a street motor. I ran Bartell's BP110's (IIRC) and they were similar but the grind had them timed slightly different than the Andrews cams. Also, don't overlook the HD pieces. They work very good in many applications. I suggest viviting a dealer or repair facility that has a dyno and ask them to view dyno sheets form previous builds. We would also keep track of all the work and details so we could reference it in the future. Takes all the guess work out of building something and you can see the results before you ever bolt on a part. Most service departments are pretty proud of any performance work they have done and are usually happy to share the results.
 
update. got a good deal on a 10 to 1 reverse dome piston kit. should be here soon. Bought a new battery put it on yesterday and took the sporty out for a ride. 43 degrees in laramie and it was a fun but chilli 2 hours. Couldnt help it, the sun was out. Question, am i going to worry about putting regualr low octane fuel in with 10 to 1 compression ratio with my stock heads....I use premium but every once in a while i can only find regular on road trips. If 10 to 1 is too much can i use a thicker head gasket to drop the compression to a safe ratio?
 
I have a particular liking for Sportsters. This is my 2003, 1200C I bought in Aug 2003 in Victorville, CA. I'm now at Ft Hood, Tx but this is my baby. She has Screaming Eagle exhaust, plugs, K&N air filter and synthetic oil. Being from CA., the bike had CA. emission crap on it. The dealer installed all the goodies when I bought it. This picture was taken after the Thanksgiving meal in 2006 in which all senior NCO's had to serve the meal to the soldiers in the dining facility. I'm normaly a fan of chrome, but BigEds black sporty looks sinister!, love the look.

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I have a particular liking for Sportsters. This is my 2003, 1200C I bought in Aug 2003 in Victorville, CA. I'm now at Ft Hood, Tx but this is my baby. She has Screaming Eagle exhaust, plugs, K&N air filter and synthetic oil. Being from CA., the bike had CA. emission crap on it. The dealer installed all the goodies when I bought it. This picture was taken after the Thanksgiving meal in 2006 in which all senior NCO's had to serve the meal to the soldiers in the dining facility. I'm normaly a fan of chrome, but BigEds black sporty looks sinister!, love the look.

nice, rob (rumblefish360) has got an anniversary edition too. Very nice looking bikes. here is a more recent picture of my sporty at the sturgis bike rally 08
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