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This reminds me of a guy that broke the state bench press record years ago. He was immediately greeted by a guy that claimed he had benched 100 lbs more than him in his basement….

Is this meant to insinuate that BJR is making a statement that is not truthfull? it sounds like it to me. From what I have read on this site for the past year and a half is that BJR is a lot of things but he his definately not a liar and definately knows cylinder heads.


Chuck
 
Glad your listening Mike. I did tell you in another forum to tal;k to BJR.
Also, there is a fella here running 11's on hs 318. In a MoPar mag.
Ring a bell?


Who would that be? While I'm far from my combo being perfect or optomized I would keep the J's on the motor. The 302 will end up choking that motor on the upper RPM. With a set of the domed KB hyper pistons in the 318 with the J's and that Comp cam you have that thing will be a screamer. My car is fine driving around town with the Eddy heads and crappy TRW pistons and it'd be even better with a set of the flat top KB's. One of those mistakes we all make when we build our first motor. I just wish I had a place like this to have asked questions before I bought parts and put my 318 together. But it's what I got and it runs some damn good numbers with pump gas and impressive numbers (in my book) with a little nitrous for what the motor is. Like anyone else if you had to do it all over again you'd always change something. Stick with the J's Mike and put that money you were gonna spend of the 302's into a valvejob, pocket porting and bowl blending on the J's and get a set of those domed KB's for the 318 and go piss off some 350's.
 
Chuck, I didnt read it as a cheap shot on BJR. I read it more of a "different stroke for different folks" type deal. I too feel BJRs package is very well thought out. And IMO his skill and willingness to share knowledge should not be questioned. People disagree on things, but thats life. My take is that not everyone has the skills that a BJR has, and sometimes advice we read about that works for one, doesnt work for another.
I know a Stock Eliminator guy, and he's had a bunch of national records with his Ford. There is no question he has a huge wealth of info about how engiens work, and how to make them exceed what they are supposed to. But he paid me to re-ring his EFI escort because he wasn't familiar enough in his own mind with it to get it right.
Another thing, and I find myself caught in this sometimes.. we may say "do this" because WE routinely get stuff for a discounted rate. Like cleaning and magnafluxing things. I didnt pay for that for years. So I would have to remind myself that I had to account for those charges when I tell a guy "It only cost me $X for this block". Because when he went to his local guy, he would be charged. And leaving out that detail makes things sound better than they may end up being for him, in his locality. Now, in terms of the 302 heads, I have a bunch. Same with several sets of Magnums. So saying "do them up" sounds great. I have them, they were cleaned and magged before. So there is no difference in cost between them, and a similarly prepared core set of J heads. Except it would take more work by a paid guy to get the same flow numbers. The valves, springs, keepers, retainers, guides, seats, seals, and machining are all the exact same price. You can get 1.88,1.94, 2.02, or 2.05 stainless valves for roughly the same cost. Within a few dollars anyway. So it's 302s that cost $800, or Js that cost $800, and will support a bigger engine later, or this engine in a wilder form. Except you still have to go buy whatever other option you choose...lol. It's nice to see a lively debate. But when push comes to shove, every single engine is unique. And there aren't that many guys who've run all the possibilities (myself included) that could really help out in that kind of debate. It's easy to recommend exactly what one did for themselves and it worked. It's much harder to try and interpret what is given for info, and recommend something that maybe didnt work on your engine, but will on thiers.
 
Very well said Moper......like all discussions you just need to take what info others have posted and "crunch it" and then digest it and make you own decision.
 
It can only be a cheap shot or else it wouldn't be there. That statement has no bering on what we are saying. I left out the other parts of his statement because they do have bering and merit in this matter and are valid.

I'm not taking a side on which head is better I saying that comment insinuates that the guy that says a 302 headed car that runs 11's is just like the guy that claims he can press 100 pounds more than the state record, just a claim and it is not a truthfull statement.

Chuck
 
flyfish,
The car hits the scale at 3120 lbs. the only thing that has been removed is the rear seat and the front seat was replaced with 2 bucket seats, everything else is factory down to the headlights and wipers.
 
Is this meant to insinuate that BJR is making a statement that is not truthfull? it sounds like it to me. From what I have read on this site for the past year and a half is that BJR is a lot of things but he his definately not a liar and definately knows cylinder heads.


Chuck

Thanks 340mopar, and moper,
For your comments!

As for others when all the home work is done the results will show up. I just pay very close attention to details and machining as I do it myself, because I couldn't get the work done the way that I wanted it to be done from others. And the statement theres always someone stronger, faster, smarter, etc,etc,etc is true. But I never said that I was smarter,faster, or stronger than anyone else, I just posted what we've done with ours, and the 302 heads that we used. And yes it was on 87 octane gas and NO NOS, all engine is the only way for myself.
 
Who would that be? / While I'm far from my combo being perfect or optomized / Stick with the J's Mike and put that money you were gonna spend of the 302's into a valvejob, pocket porting and bowl blending on the J's and get a set of those domed KB's for the 318 and go piss off some 350's.

He he he, yep, that be you. Right in the sig.
1973 Plymouth Duster 318
11.85 @ 116.56......yes a 318 that runs 11's.

Optomized? Are they ever? (Giggle) The bottom line is you run the time. Thats it. The bottom line.

Speed is like religion, many ways to worship God with the idea of getting to heaven. Many ways to go fast to get a better MPH/E.T.

Weather it be cost effective ro in search of a better balance or useing what you got, I can see the point that everyone has. After I win mega millions, I'll have a fleet of cars and dyno's along side my track so everyone can come and play. All are invited. BYOB. BBQ is allways open, toliets are allways clean, beds will be freshened once daily. :cheers:
 
Hey, I gotta say that it is admirable to see how the conversation went back to something conducive to our hobby and love, our cars. I don't ever want to start a thread where people begin to draw blood verbally, and I state unashamedly that I value EVERY WORD you gentlemen have honored these many threads of mine with, and will always seek and value the input of so many people who I am beginning to call my friends, and where I come from, that is saying ALOT. The very best to each of you, and we'll see what these j heads of mine can really do soon enough, and that's a promise!!!
 
Nice link Val-Mike.

Though Stroker Mikes cam is a solid and 10 degrees less. When comparing cams, you need a few more degress in a solid over a Hyd. cam to equal it out.

Given the cam in the write up, I'd leave the 302's behind if they didn't flow well.
 
Very similar power with a smaller cam and ported 302 heads.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Excellent links, both.... The engine masters 318 build is a good one, too, but then so is bjr's excellent build.... I hope some day to have a significant contribution of my own...! Pretty lofty goal, yes, but I'm a star struck mopar maniac and I dare you to tell me I can't! LOL!!!!
 
(Hummm, IF I said you can't, then he'll try very hard to do so. This could be good. (Evil laff) Then again, I'll get called bad names like bully, smart ***, bad bad bad dude. OH know, what to do, what to do.

He might rush it....no, he'll take his time to be sure, no wait....That damn Jeperdy music in my head is killing me!!!)


stroker mike, we await the day of the results! I'm sure even now you have added to the fold well.


(Ya yea, thats it. Well, it like a , maybe chessy like reply. But why do I feel like a cheesssy Conan O'Brain skit right now? )

:snakeman: In the year 2000!!!!!!!! :clock:
 
Hey in the year 2000 we'll be making horsepower other brands never dreamed of with our lucky 318's!!! That skit was almost as cheesy as 'pimp-bot 5000'!!
 
LOL, good one, good one.

What ever venue you do, just do it right, don't rush it and tell us the results.

The best thing about this "Net" is the sharing good nature of fella car people getting togther and chattin about it all.
 
Is this meant to insinuate that BJR is making a statement that is not truthfull? it sounds like it to me. From what I have read on this site for the past year and a half is that BJR is a lot of things but he his definately not a liar and definately knows cylinder heads.


Chuck

Sorry for the slow reply, I have been away for the past month. My apologies to BRJ and anyone who read this post…the day I wrote that was the day I was laid off from work and apparently I took out my frustrations on BRJ. Not that this is a good excuse for my actions; I just thought I would shed a little light on my situation. My comment was rude, stupid, and had no business being in the middle of that post. Again, my apologies.

Dave
 
flyfish,
No offense taken, I get hit on alot and it's only because that were doing better than others. Life is a learning process and if we don't learn than we would be like alot of folks that just don't care about anything.
If I can help you in some way just call or PM me and I would be glad to discuss what ever you have in mind.
 
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