I need a hydraulic clutch

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what all do you have: flywheel, bell, linkage, etc etc,

and what all do you need?

i just did one, i'm intimately familiar with the bits there.

the LUK and sachs clutch/kits are okay stuff. the zoom stuff is a little better and about the same price. i've run all of that stuff, and you'll be fine with any of it in a stock application. the pedal effort isn't too great with any of them.
 
What I have: A833, flywheel, Fork thing, bell housing, brake/clutch assembly less spring and the other thing that holds it in place.

what do I need? everything else

What I can do to install the engine/trans: clutch/pressure plate and T.O. bearing
 
Select by Category - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission & Component Specialists once you get your trans in there you can buy one of the brackets, ball studs and nylon bushings to align and weld with the z bar fit in place. Get everything mocked up (your obviously good at it) with the pedal rod coming thru the firewall and z bar mounted on both ball studs. Make sure your throw out bearing is traveling correctly and weld the bracket in place.
 
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I had asked Red Roberts of Driveline performance about the system for the Dart~ here's his response: Not sure what to do

Denee,
Long time no hear, your 63 Dart is interesting because I am in the last stages of designing a shifter for the A body Mopar with a TKX 5 speed going into the car. So this project would be something we would take on if it wasn't one that needed a priority. If that is the case we would not have much time for it. If you project is about 3-5 weeks from fitting then we would look at it with you giving us spec's that I would need to do the project. If you want me to proceed then I will in the next few days send you some sketches for you to measure the firewall and pedal for needed dimensions.
Please advise as to what you want to do.
Thanks,
Red
 
Dne007 said:
I had asked Red Roberts of Driveline performance about the system for the Dart~ here's his response: Not sure what to do

Denee,
Long time no hear, your 63 Dart is interesting because I am in the last stages of designing a shifter for the A body Mopar with a TKX 5 speed going into the car. So this project would be something we would take on if it wasn't one that needed a priority. If that is the case we would not have much time for it. If you project is about 3-5 weeks from fitting then we would look at it with you giving us spec's that I would need to do the project. If you want me to proceed then I will in the next few days send you some sketches for you to measure the firewall and pedal for needed dimensions.
Please advise as to what you want to do.
Thanks,
Red
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if you want to modernize the old girl a bit go hydraulic. If you want to keep it simple stay mechanical. I just remember putting a slave cylinder in an S10 or some other old turd Chevy for a past girlfriends mom. This was at least 35 years ago. The old one leaked like a sieve and bleeding the new one was a pain in the arse...LOL. I've read quite a few threads on here where not choosing an original style pressure plate causes clutch pedal to brake pedal alignment issues.
 
Dicer said:
I am thinking back in the day, didn't Pinto's and Mavric's have cable operated clutches. Which worked well until the V-8 powered swaps caused some firewall issues, flexing. But I am sure that issue can be easily fixed.
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Dne007 said:
Question: diaphram vs the three finger type clutch?

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I've had both ( given both were with hydraulic) however, I felt the 3 finger held better. I've heard people say the diaphragm is easier on the leg, but my thought is most ladies drove these cars new, which had mechanical pedals and 3 finger clutches
 
I just wrote back to Red and informed him that I'm going all natural~ lol, but for him to let me know what he's got going on for the A bodies~ he's big time stuff

jeff alder said:
if you want to modernize the old girl a bit go hydraulic. If you want to keep it simple stay mechanical. I just remember putting a slave cylinder in an S10 or some other old turd Chevy for a past girlfriends mom. This was at least 35 years ago. The old one leaked like a sieve and bleeding the new one was a pain in the arse...LOL. I've read quite a few threads on here where not choosing an original style pressure plate causes clutch pedal to brake pedal alignment issues.
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Seems like a decent deal~ I understand the three finger pressure plate is good, but are you suggesting I should buy this? or was this just an example?


:lol::lol:


jeff alder said:
I have something to say about the all-natural but it should probably be in a P.M. LOL
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Dne007 said:
Seems like a decent deal~ I understand the three finger pressure plate is good, but are you suggesting I should buy this? or was this just an example?


:lol::lol:
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just an example of a reman. There are bunches of them without rust not that it would matter as long as it's not on the plate face or other important parts. If you buy one from ebay check the number. If it's the correct one you can't hardly go wrong for $40. I buy a lot of parts off ebay and have to say I have been very fortunate to have honest suppliers, but if I needed something Brewer's had I would definitely use them.
 
Ok, headed to the garage, I have been on my butt at this computer forever! lol
 
Dicer said:
I am thinking back in the day, didn't Pinto's and Mavric's have cable operated clutches. Which worked well until the V-8 powered swaps caused some firewall issues, flexing. But I am sure that issue can be easily fixed.
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Gm the firewall would crack where the clutch slave was mounted...I remember a reinforcement kit
Don't remember the model or year
 
Dne, I had the same question, why Hydraulic on a simple system?
All of the Z Bar parts are easy and other than in the headers in the way, work really easy.

I have a American Powertrain hydraulic system on my Slant Six Colt.
Because it's all custom built and the floor mounted pedals don't connect easily with the throwout bearing.

Now on the pressure plate, I had a 3 Finger Borg and Beck Green Cover Hemi Pressure plate in my Colt.
The hydraulic system would not push the plate in without breaking my leg.
I installed a McLeod Diaphragm PP and it shifts like butter.
I am going to use the Brewers stuff on my 76 Dart project.

My 2 cents.
 
FWIW, I have a three finger LUK clutch in the truck, no complaints on its performance. If it would help I can get photos of my 66 Valiant clutch linkage and ball joint mount locations. They should be the same as your Dart..
 
Dne007 said:
What I have: A833, flywheel, Fork thing, bell housing, brake/clutch assembly less spring and the other thing that holds it in place.

what do I need? everything else

What I can do to install the engine/trans: clutch/pressure plate and T.O. bearing
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Yeah, you need much less to make what you HAVE work, than changing to a hydraulic clutch. I'm not bashing the hydraulic clutch idea either. They are really nice and offer a very easy pedal feel especially for smaller people and ladies. But the stock stuff with a diaphragm style clutch is also very accommodating as well. Mine is all stock and still retains the Borg and Beck 3 finger clutch, which is generally a harder push, but it's fine for me and Kitty even drives it and likes it as well. Get the hydraulic setup if you really want it and can afford it. I always look at things through the lens of budget, so my advice would be to use what you have the most of. But if that's not what you want, go for the hydraulic. It'll be nice for sure and the way the car is evolving, it'll certainly be a good match for it should you decide to go that way. But it'll be a good match either way. In the end, it comes down to what you want.
 
Wow, thanks for all the input~ truly special people here;)

I had written Red Roberts as Modern Driveline and explained that I was just going to go with the manual/mechanical clutch system. Then he asks me to go ahead and supply him with necessary measurements to make his hydraulic system work for the A body, or my dart as the measurements are being gathered from it.

I"m going to go ahead and take the measurements and just our of sheer curiosity see where it leads. I think he likes me and my ideas~ I'm so clever:lol:

Headed to my accupuncturist~ brb

I never had looked on ebay for the design that I had made for this system (That funny plate), but this is the system I have on my 67 Mustang, only for the 67 Mustang with power brakes.

1967 MUSTANG HYDRAULIC CLUTCH CONVERSION w/ 83-93 MUSTANG T5 5-SPEED SWAP | eBay

Application: 1967 Mustang/Cougar Equipped with 1983-93 Mustang 5.0 Borg Warner T5 5-Speed. HYDRAULIC CLUTCH CONVERSION - EXTERNAL SLAVE.
www.ebay.com
 
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