impact of modern muscle cars on the old car market

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Prices are still going up. A-body prices are rising just like the rest. nothing to see Dusters sell for over 20k on ebay, and many of these are 318 cars with a 360 swap. E and B bring more money, but the fact is all the prices are rising.

I have no idea if the new muscle cars have had an impact.
 
A-body values are rising and they are still very cool. We have a love for the hobby and the old ones. I think the new ones are in a different category. They are nice, but big money.
 
My son says bet you don't get honks, waves and thumbs up in Civic.
 
After 30 years of owning classic muscle, last year I left all of that behind and ordered a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack, exactly that way I wanted it.

I have zero regrets.

My neighbor kid (20 years old), doesn't give a damn at all about old muscle. All he cares about is boost, bagging and a bunch of other stuff I can't follow.

He doesn't even care about my Challenger because in his words "what's the point if it doesn't have a turbo and a tune?"

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Can you please give me some info on the Mopar club in the Bay Area ? I would be interested to get involved with that.
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Murray said:
Am involved with a Mopar club here in the Bay area, Ca. We have been having this discussion for several years. How to keep the hobby alive and encourage younger ones to get involved. Many suggestions have been proposed but a clear answer has eluded us. Young people out here do not care for old cars, they are drawn to modern, high performance cars. This becomes really obvious when attending a car show at a High School that still has an auto shop. The boys walk right by your car and right to the "new" Mustang, Camaro or Challenger. One thing we are doing is to have several classes for the newer cars at our car show. You might be surprised at the large turnout in these classes. They may represent 20% of the field. Like us, they may have a lot money and time invested customizing their cars. Glad to hear you boy's opinions.
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Hellrats said:
I just sold my restored 1969 Charger 2 months age. Numbers matching 440. Nice car but not over restored, just nice. B5 blue white strip and top. $82,500. It was a pain in the A$$ finding GOOD parts and was not cheap. But I did make some money on it. It's the love of the cool old cars but it is getting to the point that it's not easy to find a good one and the new ones are much friendlier to drive.
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Consider ur self lucky, I wouldn`t give 82 thou for any charger, as much as I like the 68-9 !
 
Another way to figure the positive side of new muscle, it does relate in terms of style and performance,.... and not all that turbo/tune stuff.
I relate to Mopars old enough to have chrome bumpers, stainless A pillow trim ( hate plastic there and on top of doors! sorry beakers ) love bare *** totally plain seats, and an AM radio I never turn on!!!!
 
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barbee6043 said:
.....I have to wonder just how much the "modern" muscle car has taken away from people buying our "old" mopar high performance models, or even the more pedestrian models??? .....
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I don't think in many ways "this end" of the market affects "the other" in any way

For myself, I'm not at all interested in owning a Model T or any other early 1900's antique

I'm certainly not interested (very much) in spending a LOT of money on a more door (there are exceptions)

But there ARE effects. I'm sure many Belvedere HT or Sport Satellites have been bought to "clone" a RR/ GTX. And since I think "wing" cars are exceptionally ugly, it annoys me that the price of the former have been driven up just so people can throw fenders and noses on them
 
General Disarray said:
Frnknsteen, is that an indictment on the poor quality of the 2010 Challenger?
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It was in my case. I'd never buy another one. I loved the car for the first year or so, then started noticing things I didn't like, or didn't make sense, then started having issues and recalls. Then decided I was over it and sold it. I always said that I thought Ma Mopar nailed it on those cars. Followed by the '09 - '12 Mustangs, then the Camaros, but as 70Swinger440 said above....

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The modern muscle is impressive and for the most part outperform the classics.

But the modern musclecars have no soul.
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Here is a pick of my Challenger shortly after I got it. Things I quickly found I didn't like

1. Can't turn off MDS on R/T with A/T? (Diablosport tuner helped with that)
2. Adaptive Tuning detunes car if not constantly on it (Diablosport tuner helped with that)
3. No real posi on A/T R/T? Only on SRT and 6spd? Who wants a car with open diff with 375hp? Have to rely on traction control to hook up both wheels? I saw a guy with an A/T R/T get stuck in a un-level gravel driveway with one tire spinning!
4. 4 recalls in first 2 years. On last one (timing chain) they put my power steering hose back on wrong so it rubbed on the pulley and cut it by the time I got home, plus they tore the hood seal so it flapped against the paint the whole way home (I know,.. Dealer fault, not Dodge, but still left nasty PO'd taste in my mouth!!)

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Frnknsteen said:
It was in my case. I'd never buy another one. I loved the car for the first year or so, then started noticing things I didn't like, or didn't make sense, then started having issues and recalls. Then decided I was over it and sold it. I always said that I thought Ma Mopar nailed it on those cars. Followed by the '09 - '12 Mustangs, then the Camaros, but as 70Swinger440 said above....
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I remember back as a kid, my dad had Plymouths and Chryslers, mostly because he had family that owned a dealership, but I believe he really liked the cars. His biggest complaint was the C-P service department. He was never really happy with the performance. If a person can't get good service, then that will steer (no pun intended) them to another product for sure.

Very nice looking car, by the way.
 
Doubt it has taken away from it, that's for sure.
I welcome these new muscle cars, they don't touch my ****...
 
I've wanted a new Challenger since they came out. I think they are awesome. The biggest drawback is any parts to modify a new car is insane. I read an article about installing headers, and exhaust. It also required a custom tune. By the time it was all done, it was 3 grand. I ended up buying a 13 Ram truck instead of the Challenger. It's a more useful vehicle, and I love that truck. But as mentioned, the service departments suck dog balls. The aggravation and lies I got from them were astounding. Now I look at my Dart, or my Sport Fury, and they make me smile. And they get plenty of attention. And I can work on them. So I wonder sometimes if I should sell them, and get a new Challenger. Then I think about the above reasons, plus, I don't want to be one of those guys that can't work on their own stuff. So, does it affect the classic car hobby? I say yes. You get a bunch of know nothings filling up the car shows, getting a trophy for something they pay for to have, and to have worked on.
 
1968FormulaS340 said:
After 30 years of owning classic muscle, last year I left all of that behind and ordered a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack, exactly that way I wanted it.

I have zero regrets.

My neighbor kid (20 years old), doesn't give a damn at all about old muscle. All he cares about is boost, bagging and a bunch of other stuff I can't follow.

He doesn't even care about my Challenger because in his words "what's the point if it doesn't have a turbo and a tune?"

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Yeah but what's he know? he probably calls a tow truck to change a flat tire.....
 
I think theres lots of young people still interested in this old stuff. I see young people getting on here all the time with a dart or a duster or some other old mopar. The best thing we can do as a community is help with our combined knowledge. A friendly place for a newbie to come and seek out advice from oldtimers like us helps a lot. Helping young guys get into the hobby is great. A young friend of mine drives a typical fart can tipped honda civic, but admitted he loves old cars. He bought a 1965 mustang V8 coupe, and he is amazed at the parts availability, price, and how simple the car is. Lightbulb moment for him. Another convert to the old car hobby.

My dad is into model A fords pretty hard at 80 years old. The catalogs are still churning out repop parts for these. I was amazed at what was available in them. This means there is a strong interest in them. We dont run in those circles so it may not look like the interest is there but it is. Guys in their 40s and 50s into model As. Thats like young guys in their 20s being into 60s muscle cars. Its all relative.

This stuff is easy to work on compared to new electronic wundercars out now. Do i like modern muscle though? Yes i do. I have a 2007 mustang GT deluxe 4.6L 5 speed w 3.55s. Was a special ordered car with spoiler delete. I love that car, but cannot wait till i have time to finish my 67 notch. My son is 5 and loves cars as well. I am collecting up parts to build a 69 notch with him as he gets older. He may be in an enviable position having a dad who knows how to weld and fab to teach him, as well as one whos been rat packing everything ahead of time to do that project with him.
 
diymirage said:
Who said anything about civics?
We were talking classic muscle vs. modern muscle...not lawnmowers
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I don't know. Thought I read something about young guys not being into old muscle cars. I was tired.
 
Point i was making w the civic was this young guy i know likes old muscle cars but doesnt have the big money to jump into mopars, i mentioned old 60s mustangs as a way to get his feet wet so to speak. He is thoroughly enjoying the 65 mustang V8 coupe he bought. Is amazed at how easy these things are to work on, and parts availability. So he may not be into new muscle, but likes old muscle and pony cars and he is in his 20s.

The hobby wont die, if you can hook the young ones. He does like mopars, but just cant afford one right now. Maybe some day he will call me up to help him with a dart swinger when he can afford one. I understand his reality though. The civic is inexpensive, gets good mileage, has working A/C. A must in west Texas. The temps pushed up to 110° this week. He is now investing his extra income into his 65 mustang.
 
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moparmat2000 said:
Point i was making w the civic was this young guy i know likes old muscle cars but doesnt have the big money to jump into mopars, i mentioned old 60s mustangs as a way to get his feet wet so to speak. He is thoroughly enjoying the 65 mustang V8 coupe he bought. Is amazed at how easy these things are to work on, and parts availability. So he may not be into new muscle, but likes old muscle and pony cars and he is in his 20s.

The hobby wont die, if you can hook the young ones. He does like mopars, but just cant afford one right now. Maybe some day he will call me up to help him with a dart swinger when he can afford one. I understand his reality though. The civic is inexpensive, gets good mileage, has working A/C. A must in west Texas. The temps pushed up to 110° this week. He is now investing his extra income into his 65 mustang.
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Poor kid, there has been 2 of those in my family, a 65 and a 66, both weren`t worth a crap .
 
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