Interest in Performance Parts for slants?

Slant 6 Engines

  1. sobiecam

    sobiecam College Student

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    I was hoping to do the parts to kinda get the idea of, "hey jackasses, if you don't put your time into making parts for it, someone will take the market share!"

    That and I think we here on FABO know more about the slant than all of the Chevy-blooded R&D guys at Edlebrock
     
  2. Bill Dedman

    Bill Dedman bill dedman Legendary Member

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    No argument there!!!:blob:
     
  3. slant6racer

    slant6racer Well-Known Member

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    I dont under stand?? Ordering pistons or head gaskets is like ordering pizza.... just pick up the phone. I never had problems finding a cam either. Headers.. check.. 4 bbl manifold..check..roller rockers..WOW we can get them too. Webbers, true roller chains, aluminum valve covers.
    Please explain.

    WIll
     
  4. RustyRatRod

    RustyRatRod Bla de blizhibliz de blatde blizi bla bla FABO Gold Member

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    Show me a piston with a better compression than stock. I wanna see it. ...and I'm not talkin about the KB239 or KB268. That's not for a slant application.

    Show me a THIN head gasket for a slant that's READILY AVAILABLE to buy in quantities.

    Show me OFF THE SHELF grinds I can order right now and have in a week.
     
  5. slant6racer

    slant6racer Well-Known Member

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    You can get what ever piston you want from Venolia or JE. They even come with rings.

    I ordered a felpro gasket kit and a custom head gasket the same day, the head gasket came 3 days later.

    Why do you need head gaskets in quantities? How many head gaskets do you go through a year?

    Would it not be better to wait an extra week for a cam ground for your build? I have had some great motors with Hughes and Erson cams and all it took was a phone call.
    WIll
     
  6. RustyRatRod

    RustyRatRod Bla de blizhibliz de blatde blizi bla bla FABO Gold Member

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    Not off the shelf. Do you know what that even means? I guess not.

    See that word you used? Custom. Look it up.

    A racer might need to buy in quantities. Or an engine builder. Or....just frakkin because I want some. Got it?

    Hughes doesn't carry slant cores. Call them. As for Erson, I stopped trying to contact them after trying for four straight months both email and phone with zero response. The bottom line here is that I am right. Off the shelf internal speed parts are not available for the slant. Custom pistons and custom gaskets are not off the shelf, I don't care if they are next day air.
     
  7. slant6racer

    slant6racer Well-Known Member

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    If the turn around time is about the same does it matter if it is "off the shelf" or "custom" ? I dont think so.
    Will
     
  8. RustyRatRod

    RustyRatRod Bla de blizhibliz de blatde blizi bla bla FABO Gold Member

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    Sure it does. Because the price of custom parts is far greater. Regardless of how quickly they can be made.
     
  9. racerhog

    racerhog RacerHog likes his Mopars

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    Your not going Chevy on us now are you ???????
    LOL
     
  10. RustyRatRod

    RustyRatRod Bla de blizhibliz de blatde blizi bla bla FABO Gold Member

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    Not hardly. where would my sense of accomplishment go if I did that? A bum on the street can build a chebbie.
     
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    6pakattack Well-Known Member

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    Whew, I'm glad I'm not on the street,or I would've thought you were refering to me !! :D:D
     
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    G'day mate.....camshafts for a slant...... http://www.camtechcams.com.au/chrys_6slant_sol.html
    Which one do ya want,.....towing....mild....wild...????
     
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    Nice,but only one BIG PROBLEM,shipping to the USA !!!!Cost prohibitive !!Unless you know something we don't know about !!
     
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    Not only that (cost of shipping,) but how far do you have to stretch your credibility to agree that it's OK to have to go HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD, just to get a camshaft for your motor?

    Stroker was right; this is ridiculous!

    I bought two; one from Bullet and one from Comp, but just like he said, they were expensive and I had to wait. On both of them.

    These are not ultra-rare, scarce motors. I'd love to know just how many slant sixes (they ALL can run the same cam) were built between 1960 and 1986. Gotta be millions...
    :banghead:
     
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    RustyRatRod Bla de blizhibliz de blatde blizi bla bla FABO Gold Member

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    Thanks Craig. I knew there was one or two companies down your way. As many manufacturers there are in this country it's be nice to have some off the shelf stuff here too.
     
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    x-2!!!
     
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    These are not ultra-rare, scarce motors. I'd love to know just how many slant sixes (they ALL can run the same cam) were built between 1960 and 1986. Gotta be millions...
    :banghead:[/QUOTE]

    They were installed in new equipment till at least 1991 and built as crate motors still in 2000. There has got to be gobs of them still out there and still in service. There is a swather that goes past my place regularly in summer built with and still running a /6.
     
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    I had a look at some CompCams ( i think it was ), camshafts....and...well....I was disappointed in the selection they had...2 of them....only good for towing really.....I want one for drag racing....:)
    I'm currently in negociations with CamTech Cams as we speak....sorting out a cam for me......I'm thinking of P# CT7 664 (a)......see what they come up with.
     
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    sobiecam College Student

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    not to intentionally drag this thread from the dead but I'll FINALLY be picking up a test mule Slant next week. Hopefully By springtime I can have it mocked up on a stand and begin work on my first project: MPFI. I'd like to make a smooth flowing intake that uses a throttle body (most likely a 52mm) and currently produced injectors with a MegaSquirt as the engine management.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Check with the Wizards on www.slantsix.org . Oregon cam grinders can use your stock core or new core. Another company was offering a group buy. One cam was designed by Dave Dutra.
     
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    Thumbs up on the aluminum head!
     
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    Here's the number I used to get my Erson cam :

    http://www.usaperform.com/contact_us.php

    Seemed very knowledgeable,gave me a number of choices for cams,and if memory serves me correct(NO GUARANTEE) it didn't take long to receive the cam lifters and springs !!
     
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    sobiecam College Student

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    After looking into the Megasquirt and aftermarket injector cost I'd say the overall cost would be more than most slant guys would want to pay... I'm going to play with modifying a Magnum 3.9L injection system to work on a slant application, using refreshed 5.2L injectors.

    To get a general consensus:
    How many of you guys would be against an in tank fuel pump setup?
    What would you pay for a multipoint fuel injection setup?
    Would there be interest in a 'make your own' kit that includes just the intake?

    I probably won't have anything in the realm of camshafts for a while guys, I'm a pretty broke college kid and affording a lathe is a tiny bit out of the budget at the moment :cheers:

    Necessary evils of the injection setup
    -Wiring, plenty of wiring. The plan is to make is as plug and play as possible but there will be a little splicing to make the magic happen
    -O2 sensors
    -Electric fuel pump(s)
    -Adjustable fuel pressure regulators

    Lastly: I'm hoping to have a few prototypes by the end of summer 2013 and I'm looking for potential test vehicles. I need drivers, something that will see miles (not necessarily over the winter if these intakes become available in September but in the spring and summer). I'd like to have 2 early A's (Valiant/Barracuda) and 2 post 67 cars. I'd supply the parts as loaners with the opportunity to buy if you like how it works (would be less $ than the production parts). I'll put together an application when I get closer to a working setup (will also keep you guys updated with any progress at all).

    I'll make sure that any Cheby or Ferd parts that have to be used have any evidence of their past life removed:supz:
     
  24. Bill Dedman

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    Sobie:

    I appreciate the fact that you have the intelligence and interest (and, MOPAR mentality) to want to try to make some parts that will help in trying to get more air into and out of a slant six motor, so more horsepower can be made.

    That's the whole idea, isn't it; to make more power?

    Well, the sad fact is, doing that with a slant six motor that is normally-aspirated, is more of an up-hill battle than it should be because, the cylinder head was designed for a 170, and never changed in regards to head flow (when the engine was stroked to a 225) and the result is a motor that, no matter how good the design of the intake sytem might be, all comes to a screeching halt at the OEM head/port/valve infrastructure and although small gains can be made, there is simp[ly no way to move a LOT of air through the valves and ports of a normally-aspirated slant six that is 35-percent larger than the engine that the head was designed to feed..

    Guzzi Mark (FABO name) has managed to make a normally-aspirated slant six look extremely good on the drag strip by putting an unusually well-built engine in a very light car that really HOOKS. It turns in times that make me shake my head in wonder, but when you get right down to it, the engine is not actually making all that much power... it just LOOKS like it is because he knows what he's doing when it comes to the application of what power he DOES have to work with.

    He uses every trick in the book and a few that were never in a book, I think, to make his car quick, and it IS quick; leaves like a GOOD V8 car...

    But, most folks aren't able to take advantage of his expertise and will never have a 2,350-pound A Body, (like his is,) with most weighing in at around 3,200 pounds.

    A slant six that makes 1.3Hp/Cu. In. will make 225 X 1.33 or about 295 hp.

    Not many normally-aspirated slants will make that much horsepower on gasoline unless they're all-out, full-race motors, which aren't very streetable.

    In a 3,200 pound car, 295 horsepower willl get you a time card with a high 12-second number on it, IF everything is maximzed for the quarter-mile.

    Street driveability will be severly compromised in a variety of ways.

    Most slant six owners if they want more power, would like to be able to bolt on a few hop-up components, like say, maybe a 4-bbl intake manifold, headers, hi-compression pistons, a wilder cam, and a good, size-matched 4bbl carb, and go racing.

    They can do that IF they are going to be happy with a low 14-second car that runs mid 90's in the quarter

    The absolute best EFI system in the world MIGHT pick their car up three tenths, and that's stretching it. MAYBE 100 mph in the quarter.

    I'm not saying that you can't have a lot of fun with such a car; what I'm saying is that the cost of a custom-designed EFI fuel injection system is going to be out of line with the amount of HP gains it produces.

    Bang for the buck will always be a heavy player in this game.... and, in this case, it's just not there. The potential for sizeable horsepower gains from a different intake manifold and injection system is not going to happen.
    However, there IS a part that you could produce that would actually offer great bang for the buck, be relatively easy to make for sale, has NO moving parts and has what I believe to be a ready market in the slant six commuity.

    I didn't have anything to do with the design of this part and I don't even KNOW the guy who did think it up, but it's a really neato part that has a lot of potential, as regards bang-for-the-buck.

    His FABO screen name is "PISHTA" and he built one of these for his own low-buck turbo installlation, and best I can tell, it works on all levels!

    He took a piece of 2-1/2" small-radius U=Bend exhaust tubing and attached a flange that would bolt onto the stock slant six exhaust manifold on one end, and welded a turbo mount on the other end (on the same plane.)

    You bolt it onto your stock /6 exhaust manifold (where the exhaust down-pipe used to bolt on) and, with no welding on the manifold, now have a turbo mount that will work well, and won't make your cast-iron manifold any more prone to cracking than it was before you made the change. Stock slant 6 exhaust manifolds are prone to cracking; welding a turbo flange onto one only makes the probability that they will crack that much more likely.

    All you'd need is to measure the space availible, buy some U-Bends of the appropriate size, acquire some 2-1/2" flanges that can be welded to the U-Bends and attach the turbo mount to the other end of the U-Bend, and you're done!

    This system mounts the turbo on a horizontal mounting flange pretty much over the motor mount, I think, and if you put the battery in the trunk (where it belongs,) there's an abundance of space to work with.

    I wish I'd thought this up... but, I'm not that smart. It is SUCH a good idea!!!:blob:

    With a setup like that, you could add a Snowperfformance Boost Cooler alky injector and run 15 pounds of boost through a stock motor and make an easy 250 HP on pump gas, never having removed the head or cam.

    Don't take that to the bank, but I really believe, having read what I have about how slant sixes respond to turbocharging, that it is true...

    You asked for opinions; that is mine... and it's all only JUST my opinion.

    But the deal about the strangulated nature of that original 170 head (and, they all are; the 225's are identical,) is a pretty educated guess. The ported, big-valve heads are better, but still don't flow all that well, normally-aspirated.

    Forced induction can be a way around that. It can be simple (cheap) or complicated (NOT cheap) and that's the engine builder's choice...:coffee2:

    I hope you'll give this some serious consideration; the slant six commumnity NEEDS that part (turbo adapter!)

    BTW, you can't grind a cam on a lathe...:director:
     
  25. sleeper-oem

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    I am here in indy and have a few, but Bill is right without the proper head work and all the other goodies your pissin in the wind. I have some guinnea pig motors iam working on. Do you have anything started.
     
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