Looking for any documentation '69 Barracuda Fastback

[A56]

The bottom half of rear seat is there, pretty rough shape from CA heat and sun. It is black with (if I remember right, need to get to my dad's garage and do some further checking) it had small square pattern as well as the bottom half of the front seat that was left.

Thanks again.

I believe I see the foot pump for the windshield washer so it may be a 2 speed wiper.

 

[IMFURYS]

I believe I see the foot pump for the windshield washer so it may be a 2 speed wiper.

You are right, it did have the foot pump. I just never knew that it meant it had only the 2 speed wiper.
Thank you for the tip, every bit helps. I'm hoping to get to it this weekend and check out some other tips people have given me.

 

[IMFURYS]

Dan, very nice car/rust free body to restore!!!!!
Did u get a rear trunk finish panel with the car? If so is it silver with fish emblem, or black with round Formula-S emblem?
There is NO way to tell 100% what the car was without the fender tag or build sheet. Could be a 340 non-S, 340-S, or even a 340 'cuda package!!!!
Standard rear would be 3.23, the 3.55 and 3.91 was an option, but 4.10 never was. A factory 3.91 gear car is very rare and would be more likely on a 4 speed if at all. 3.91 was only available after a certain time?(i have a factory sheet stating this).
looking forward to more on this car/post............

Hey BB-Dave,
I checked the rear end again today and verified that it does appear to be a 3.91 Sure Grip. I've checked my 1969-1974 Mopar Broadcast Sheet Decoder Manual which lists the 3.91 as code D57 on the sheet. On the option code listing I have for 1969 it says "A31 69-71 High Performance Axle Package w/ 3.91" I took a picture of the numbers on the side and you'll see it reads 2070741 with 26 below it. There is also some even smaller numbers which I'm not sure if it was 222 or if there was a number or two after it. You can also see in the picture what appears to be a orange paint factory marking. I was unable to find a ratio tag on any of the bolts, especially the top where what I've read is normally there. Pics attached.
Thanks again,
Dan

 

[IMFURYS]

Also, it looks like it had a ashtray light. There is also a light located under the dash right about where the "cigar lighter" (according to the 69 sales brochure). To be honest, it's been so long since I owned a Barracuda (as in high school long ago), that I can't remember if that was a standard light. Here's a pic of the back of the dash.

 

[IMFURYS]

Also, the radio was just AM.

It does have a front sway bar which measure about .90" thick. From my broadcast decoder book, the away bar was an option that was part of some type of suspension package.

 

[Murray]

The seeming provision for an ashtray light is not an indicator that it had one, all had this. The downward facing light on the passenger side is part of a lighting package that was activated by a switch under the dash on the left side. My picture is poor but I hope you get the idea. It was considered a "map" light. All that being said, it would appear that this car had the lighting package that would include an ashtray light. The cigar lighter is located next to the radio. I found it helpful to open a file on the computer to document every number on my car, pictures could be included. This way it is easy to refer to any part of the car in the future.

 

[A56]

The seeming provision for an ashtray light is not an indicator that it had one, all had this. The downward facing light on the passenger side is part of a lighting package that was activated by a switch under the dash on the left side. My picture is poor but I hope you get the idea. It was considered a "map" light. All that being said, it would appear that this car had the lighting package that would include an ashtray light. The cigar lighter is located next to the radio. I found it helpful to open a file on the computer to document every number on my car, pictures could be included. This way it is easy to refer to any part of the car in the future.View attachment 1715215736

I've also seen that switch in a similar location for the rear window "defroster" on my '69 A56

 

[IMFURYS]

The seeming provision for an ashtray light is not an indicator that it had one, all had this. The downward facing light on the passenger side is part of a lighting package that was activated by a switch under the dash on the left side. My picture is poor but I hope you get the idea. It was considered a "map" light. All that being said, it would appear that this car had the lighting package that would include an ashtray light. The cigar lighter is located next to the radio. I found it helpful to open a file on the computer to document every number on my car, pictures could be included. This way it is easy to refer to any part of the car in the future.View attachment 1715215736

Hey thanks again. I'll have to double check the dash to see if there was a hole there for the flip switch. My dash, if it had the switch, it was removed in the past.

 

[IMFURYS]

I've also seen that switch in a similar location for the rear window "defroster" on my '69 A56

Thanks for that info, I wonder if it was a package deal? I'll research it and see if I can find anything.
Thanks again.

 

[A56]

Thanks for that info, I wonder if it was a package deal? I'll research it and see if I can find anything.
Thanks again.

If you had a rear window defroster there would've been a grill that looks like it would be for a speaker (which it was not) on the on the rear right inside sail panel as well as an obvious speaker size hole. The flip switch hole under the dash was there (pre drilled) whether you had this, the map light option or neither regardless I believe.

 

[IMFURYS]

If you had a rear window defroster there would've been a grill that looks like it would be for a speaker (which it was not) on the on the rear right inside sail panel as well as an obvious speaker size hole. The flip switch hole under the dash was there (pre drilled) whether you had this, the map light option or neither regardless I believe.

Great info thank you.

 

[A56]

Great info thank you.

It sounds like you have a really cool Barracuda there. I didn't know that they used the 741 rear on performance Barracuda's.

 

[4spdragtop]

I thought the by 69 the "489" diff case was on production? My 67 S has 741, my 69 S has 489.
Could have simply been swapped once(or twice) in the last 50 years.
Very cool car.
Fendertag pics?

Hey BB-Dave,
I checked the rear end again today and verified that it does appear to be a 3.91 Sure Grip. I've checked my 1969-1974 Mopar Broadcast Sheet Decoder Manual which lists the 3.91 as code D57 on the sheet. On the option code listing I have for 1969 it says "A31 69-71 High Performance Axle Package w/ 3.91" I took a picture of the numbers on the side and you'll see it reads 2070741 with 26 below it. There is also some even smaller numbers which I'm not sure if it was 222 or if there was a number or two after it. You can also see in the picture what appears to be a orange paint factory marking. I was unable to find a ratio tag on any of the bolts, especially the top where what I've read is normally there. Pics attached.
Thanks again,
Dan

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It sounds like you have a really cool Barracuda there. I didn't know that they used the 741 rear on performance Barracuda's.

 

[IMFURYS]

I thought the by 69 the "489" diff case was on production? My 67 S has 741, my 69 S has 489.
Could have simply been swapped once(or twice) in the last 50 years.
Very cool car.
Fendertag pics?

Sadly, there is no fender tag or build sheet, which is why I'm trying to find out any info I can by checking for clues.
Thank you much for the help.

 

[A56]

Also, the radio was just AM.

It does have a front sway bar which measure about .90" thick. From my broadcast decoder book, the away bar was an option that was part of some type of suspension package.

Formula S and cuda package cars had the thicker bar but I thought all 2nd gen barracudas had sway bars.

 

[IMFURYS]

It sounds like you have a really cool Barracuda there. I didn't know that they used the 741 rear on performance Barracuda's.

It's been confusing reading up on what rear axle were used in 1969.
Here's what I read about the 741 case: "1-3/8" small stem pinion (aka. '741')
Carrier casting numbers: 1820657 (1957-1964), 2070741 (1964-1972).
This assembly was typically used in low weight/low horsepower applications through low weight/medium horsepower and high weight/low horsepower applications."

I've read that both the 742 and 489 rear axles were more desired than the 741.

 

[A56]

It's been confusing reading up on what rear axle were used in 1969.
Here's what I read about the 741 case: "1-3/8" small stem pinion (aka. '741')
Carrier casting numbers: 1820657 (1957-1964), 2070741 (1964-1972).
This assembly was typically used in low weight/low horsepower applications through low weight/medium horsepower and high weight/low horsepower applications."

I've read that both the 742 and 489 rear axles were more desired than the 741.

By the looks of it, your car must be a very early build. Do you have torque plates at the corners of the frame (unibody)? The interior is definitely the deluxe with ralley gauges.

 

[IMFURYS]

Formula S and cuda package cars had the thicker bar but I thought all 2nd gen barracudas had sway bars.

I thought so too, but I printed out a copy of a sales brochure from 1969 lists the front sway bar as an option, unless you got a 340, 383 or a trailer towing package. However, it looks like you could order the heavy duty suspension package on any model. As written in the brochure:

"Suspension, heavy duty-std with 340 and 383 engs, and trailer towing packages. Includes H.D. torsion bars, H.D rear springs, and , and front anti-sway bar. (H.D. shock absorbers are avail. with this option)."

 

[A56]

I thought so too, but I printed out a copy of a sales brochure from 1969 lists the front sway bar as an option, unless you got a 340, 383 or a trailer towing package. However, it looks like you could order the heavy duty suspension package on any model. As written in the brochure:

"Suspension, heavy duty-std with 340 and 383 engs, and trailer towing packages. Includes H.D. torsion bars, H.D rear springs, and , and front anti-sway bar. (H.D. shock absorbers are avail. with this

 

[A56]

I'm sure someone on here with a non performance package Barracuda may post a definitive answer

 

[IMFURYS]

By the looks of it, your car must be a very early build. Do you have torque plates at the corners of the frame (unibody)? The interior is definitely the deluxe with ralley gauges.

I'll be honest, I forgot to check for the torque plates.

I do believe it was built very early in the model year. Chrysler/Plymouth started the production year with serial #100001. My sequential number is 115705. so I believe it was the 15,704 car built. If I have the right info; 31,987 6 cylinders were shipped and 20,337 V8's were shipped for a total of 52,324. I need to research the production numbers. I'd really love to find out about what date mine was built. I haven't found out yet if there is anyway to compare the sequential number to a build date.

 

[IMFURYS]

I'm sure someone on here with a non performance package Barracuda may post a definitive answer

I hope, any help I can get, I appreciate.

Thanks again,

Dan

 

[4spdragtop]

From what I've read the 741 case being weaker compared to 742 and 489 is bs. I checked thru 69 parts manual looking for diff #'s and couldn't find anything definitive. I think rear has been swapped from 489 to 741 in my opinion.
I can measure my swaybar from my 69 when I get home?

It's been confusing reading up on what rear axle were used in 1969.
Here's what I read about the 741 case: "1-3/8" small stem pinion (aka. '741')
Carrier casting numbers: 1820657 (1957-1964), 2070741 (1964-1972).
This assembly was typically used in low weight/low horsepower applications through low weight/medium horsepower and high weight/low horsepower applications."

I've read that both the 742 and 489 rear axles were more desired than the 741.

I thought so too, but I printed out a copy of a sales brochure from 1969 lists the front sway bar as an option, unless you got a 340, 383 or a trailer towing package. However, it looks like you could order the heavy duty suspension package on any model. As written in the brochure:

"Suspension, heavy duty-std with 340 and 383 engs, and trailer towing packages. Includes H.D. torsion bars, H.D rear springs, and , and front anti-sway bar. (H.D. shock absorbers are avail. with this option)."

 

[A56]

From what I've read the 741 case being weaker compared to 742 and 489 is bs. I checked thru 69 parts manual looking for diff #'s and couldn't find anything definitive. I think rear has been swapped from 489 to 741 in my opinion.
I can measure my swaybar from my 69 when I get home?

Hey Steve is your barracuda a performance package car?

 

[4spdragtop]

George my 67 S is, but my 69 is a "plain jane" S....front drums lol.
So comparing to IMFURYS car would be difficult.
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but check but OP should check Hamtramck website out.

Hey Steve is your barracuda a performance package car?