MeMike, I think it's time.......

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I just crawled out from under my rock and found this story...cool idea! I hope I'll be able to contribute somehow from up here in Canada!

I've been working on a '69 Valiant 2-dr post so I have lots of Valiant stuff laying around, maybe something will be helpful.

What size rear end is this going to have?
 
65s: I looks like an 8.75

Charlie: I'm the final. Several members are being consulted as this is not just my baby but i will serve as the SPOC (single point of contact). Much info is being gathered at this time and sometime in the future we will make a rational decision for the best benefit of all. We'll make all info available to all members. I hear ya Charlie. Too many cooks spoil the porage.

The goal is a 12 sec or under car. /6. What ever we need to do to achive that goal. Let us know your opinion.
 
Excellent project.. I can't really offer any help or parts but I can do some graphics or concept images if you want.
 
I've decided on going with a dana 60 for my Duster. Please let me offer you a 8 3/4 rear end for the project. It will need to be shortened and a posi added. It presently has 3.55 gears and LBP axles + 11" drum brakes.

PM me and let me know if this will be useful. I don't have a clue as to how to ship this, but maybe another member might be cruising through Colorado on their way to Missouri?

I agree with fishbreath, a trust and a raffle would be the way to go.
 
Small Block said:
The goal is a 12 sec or under car. /6. What ever we need to do to achive that goal. Let us know your opinion.
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OK My opinion. 12's are viable normally aspired, with a lightweight car. If I were doing this project, and not worried about the money, and had the "brain power" of the site, available. Normal block prep, with some oiling system mods (external belt drive pump/wet sump). K-1/Ross piston combo, Mike Jeffery head. Electronic port fuel injection/ignition. Charge cooled turbo system on E-85. This is just basic points, details on CR, boost, cam, etc to be worked out. Should be able to run low 11's high 10's reliably. Just remember the body/chassis needs to be built to suit these speeds, also. Speed costs money, how fast do you want to spend it?
But a 12 sec car, can be done relitivly cheap. My 66 Valiant runs 13.5's, and only cost about $1500 to build, including buying the car.
 
I like the sound and dependability of a 12 sec car to start with.
But that is just me.
12 sec is great ride.:burnout:
and lots of fun to boot,

Thanks for jumping in for us Charrlie_S :cheers:
 
:read2:DD d daaaammmnnn!
I am overwhelmed!

I am available to help any way I can MeMike (Bro)!

After reading this thread I will Need To Be Carefull. I was going to research a gift for Reeca (my wife) and at this moment I am thinking a tachometer would suit her.:toothy10:
 
I have a few questions before donating any parts, money or labor.

1. if this car is to be sold/raffled for charity, we have to think of resale value. A strip only stripped down car with a high winding /6 may not be the right direction. Honestly, what's the market for a stripped strip car with a /6? A 12 sec V-8 would have better resale value, far easier and cheaper to build and the car wouldn't have to be stripped to the uni-body to run the numbers.

2. How long will this car be "raced" before it is sold for charity? What happens if it breaks or gets crashed?

3. Who will document all monies received and where it went? It should be by a third party.

4. I think putting Small Blocks private company name on the side of the vehicle is out of the question for a charity car. I don't think it would be right for FABO donors to pay for an individuals advertising as honorable as his motives may be. Well known corporate sponsors are another deal and may increase the value of the car. Everyone knows what happens when "Hurst" is on the side of a car. :) FABO donor names should be put on the underside of the trunk lid for resales sake or even on a presentation board of some sort.

5. The title for this car should be in a non-profit trust's name as FISHBREATH had mentioned earlier.

6. The charity/charities that this car will be sold/raffled for should be decided BEFORE so much as a penny is donated. The trust should also be set up immediately upon deciding what charity will receive the proceeds.

I hope I don't sound like big buzz kill but these steps would protect all donors, sponsors and smallblock in case of a disagreement as to what happens to the car, plus it will be much easier to try to get support from any corporate sponsors if a legal trust can be shown.

Joe
 
Ya, I was thinking the same thing. A stripped down Valiant with no taillights, grill or trim or interior with a race only /6 would not appeal to me at all except as a race car, but even then I wouldn't want a /6 race car. Just my humble opinion.
 
ramcharger said:
I have a few questions before donating any parts, money or labor.

1. if this car is to be sold/raffled for charity, we have to think of resale value. A strip only stripped down car with a high winding /6 may not be the right direction. Honestly, what's the market for a stripped strip car with a /6? A 12 sec V-8 would have better resale value, far easier and cheaper to build and the car wouldn't have to be stripped to the uni-body to run the numbers.

2. How long will this car be "raced" before it is sold for charity? What happens if it breaks or gets crashed?

3. Who will document all monies received and where it went? It should be by a third party.

4. I think putting Small Blocks private company name on the side of the vehicle is out of the question for a charity car. I don't think it would be right for FABO donors to pay for an individuals advertising as honorable as his motives may be. Well known corporate sponsors are another deal and may increase the value of the car. Everyone knows what happens when "Hurst" is on the side of a car. :) FABO donor names should be put on the underside of the trunk lid for resales sake or even on a presentation board of some sort.

5. The title for this car should be in a non-profit trust's name as FISHBREATH had mentioned earlier.

6. The charity/charities that this car will be sold/raffled for should be decided BEFORE so much as a penny is donated. The trust should also be set up immediately upon deciding what charity will receive the proceeds.

I hope I don't sound like big buzz kill but these steps would protect all donors, sponsors and smallblock in case of a disagreement as to what happens to the car, plus it will be much easier to try to get support from any corporate sponsors if a legal trust can be shown.

Joe
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=D> I am not the sharpest knife on the shelf Joe, But I
see you point , well put bud.:cheers:
 
Ramcharger: It's guys like you that have the input we need. Your right on with your thinking. Look at the previous post by Mullinax. He wanted to send money as many more have but we are still putting the logistics of this thing together so my reply is just hang on to the money honey. The time will come when we all can participate. As far as my CO name on the car, i'm with ya on that. I would love to have FABO.com on it after all that's who we are and am currently in conversations with the powers that be on this intire thing. I'd be in favor of a "Small Block" in the car and keep it street legal if that is a more viable approach which sounds as it may be. Nothing is cut in stone so when you see a snafoo rearing it's ugly head please sing out and bring it up for discussion as Ramcharger has. Lets keep it positive. Bring up the negative but then let's turn it in a positive direction. There will be bumps to work out as we venture through this effort. As far as the trust thing goes, i wonder if we have any lawyers as members on this site to handle the legal part for us? Glad to see your with us Ramcharger. Hows the new lady?
Thanks
Bill
 
I just want everyone to know that my above post wasn't jumping on SB for any reason whatsoever. I just want to see this happen in a way that everyone's butt is covered so there won't be any hard feelings or problems down the line. We just need to keep our eye on the ball.

I can't imagine how cool it will be to see a post with Smallblock handing a big fat check to the chosen charity. A charity for kids if possible.
 
.....and your going to like, i mean love, this. Leanna is writing it up as we speak. I'd like to say more but i will wait.
 
Bill, you and Mike have come up with a really cool idea! I'll be in for a few bucks when you're ready to accept donations. If I was closer, I'd be glad to help in the shop. Ray's retired now.... I'll make sure he knows about this.
 
Small Block said:
Pump gas may be a little far fetched. What ever it takes. Nitros? OK. 110 octane? OK. Tell us what we need. Wicked six. You look like you may have a clue. Tune us up. Is the 100 over realistic? It will be a track only car but needs to be dependable. BH block? What #'s are we looking for? and where?
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I wouldn't take it .100 over , the thicker cylinder walls will stay rounder under pressure , go as big as you need to help the flow characteristics of the heads and not much more , stroke it as much as possible to add cubes .

E85 would be a good fuel choice if it's easy to get , but you may want to purchase something like ROCKET Brand E85 , i hear the stuff in the pump is anything but consistent . E85 will allow you to run more compression , something the the 'hood of 12.5 would be perfect for E85
 
JohnRR said:
now that's got to rate high on PUCKER FACTOR , all that power and a SINGLE RES master cylinder
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When I originally saw that car I said the same thing and it actually kind of bothered me. I never asked the guy about it, I should have. The car is in no way factory-appearing in either color or engine bay, so if he was going for a factory replication that's out the window.

Seems kinda silly to invest all that money in the car to restore and build it and then go backwards and marginalize your braking system. It's such a simple thing to install. And you don't actually NEED disk brakes either, but the two-bowl MC is a basic safety consideration. To each his own I guess.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.
 
Hate to break the news to you guys, but building a race car with resale value in mind is relatively pointless. Racingjunk is full of beautiful cars at decent money that are not moving at all. Many have been on there almost a year with no movement except lowering the price. The general rule of a race car is that if you can recover 30 cents on the dollar you did well.

The one good thing aboot building an A body Slant car is that IF it is not a hacked up piece of junk you can always sell it minus motor/trans and someone else can put whatever motor they want in it, not just a Slant.

If you want to run low 12's on muscle only I would get the car as light as possible and build a carbureted alcohol motor. Either methanol or E-85 will work. The K-1/Wiseco rod/piston deal would be nice to have, but not totally necessary. Have Mike do a head, bore the block +.100" to maximize head flow and also make it a little cheaper to get a custom piston made. I would have no qualms aboot using stock rods, getting pistons made, and decking the block/head to achieve around an 11-1 compression for the alky. Camshaft will have to be in the .575-.600" lift range, and Comp can take care of you there. This motor will live long and happy without having to turn it over 62-6400.

If this project actually gets going I have a Clifford intake I will send you.

For a trans a 904 will be fine. Have the V-8 guts and a LBA valve body installed and you're golden. The one place I would not skimp is converter. Get a good unit built to match the specs of the motor. I would not bother with a trans brake. At this power level you will see no difference in reaction time or ET.

At the rear I would move the springs in, install a set of Cal-Tracs, and run a 28X9X15 slick with a 4.30 gear.

That should give you a mid to low 12 second car without breaking the bank. The most expensive components will be the head, pistons, and converter. If you plan wisely, all of them will still be useable if you decide to step up to a boosted motor too.
 
Good point slantzilla and a slant is a - in the blue book even, but lets not loose the point of all this, FUN! Also to make some money for a charity, so a modified A-body with the best all of us can offer regardless of motor or horsepower, after all this is FABO! Can we not come up with the nicest A-Body out there and raffle it off?
It's just a matter of coming together and making the decisions and getting after it. If your going with a race car, don't expect to make that much money in your raffle but great exposure racing it. If your going for the charity, it probably won't be a 10 second car but it will be awesome and make money for the charity. Which way is it going to go is the question of the day?
 
slantzilla said:
Hate to break the news to you guys, but building a race car with resale value in mind is relatively pointless. Racingjunk is full of beautiful cars at decent money that are not moving at all. Many have been on there almost a year with no movement except lowering the price. The general rule of a race car is that if you can recover 30 cents on the dollar you did well.
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Who cares!!

Let's have some fun!

If we make a nickel and it goes to charity then so be it... we did our part! If it don't sell then that's fine too. I don't expect my money back.

It would be nice to do something that no other car site has ever done as the best of my knowledege anyhow.:-D
 
mullinax95 said:
Who cares!!

Let's have some fun!

If we make a nickel and it goes to charity then so be it... we did our part! If it don't sell then that's fine too. I don't expect my money back.

It would be nice to do something that no other car site has ever done as the best of my knowledege anyhow.:-D
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Read the rest of the post. That was in answer to the ones who think you should V-8 the car for better value.
 
.........on a great deal of details and believe me there are a ton of em to make it right. Just emailed the edited rough draft back to Leanna for further refinement. We have heard from a chosen charity but all will be for discussion after presentation. We have considered the GOOD advice as to the build of the car wheather it will be a race or street car for resale purposes. A lot to be considered and the decisions made will be for the best of all of us, the charity, and of course FABO. This won't happen overnight and may very well become a two year project depending on how long it takes us to get it off the ground. From the input i have recieved there will be no lack of participation by a lot of members in either funds or parts and some will even assist on the construction. Be patient and we all will realize a very substantial amount of pride and satisfaction upon completion. Joey has offered to make a stand alone FORUM for this project so don't think for a moment the top brass in FABO is not behind this effort. Please continue with your in put both objective and constructive. Thanks
Bill Stone AKA Small Block
 
I have a complete 1974 slant 6 and trans out of a 74 Dart. I'll donate to your project. You can pm me or email me at [email protected]
If you need pictures let me know. They have been in the garage for some years now. Ran well when I took it out. I can help on delivery from mich.
Thanks,stan
 
71produster said:
I have a complete 1974 slant 6 and trans out of a 74 Dart. I'll donate to your project. You can pm me or email me at [email protected]
If you need pictures let me know. They have been in the garage for some years now. Ran well when I took it out. I can help on delivery from mich.
Thanks,stan
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Can't beat that!

It's been to quite though about the "FABO Car"... might be fizzling out.:cry:
 
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