Mini Sarter Help

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JEDS67

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I have just purchased a new toy it is a 63 Fury /6 3 spd standard on the column. Yes I know it is a b body but I didn't get the answer I needed on there site so I thought I would try here. The problem is the starter is finished and I need a new one. I picked up a mini starter from the junk yard to try but it will not engage. So I started comparing the starters and it has a larger drive gear than the original starter. I even went to Napa and bought what they had listed for the car and it had the same problem. It will not engage. It will be returned today. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jeds67
 
You could get the original fixed but I thought a dak would fit perfectly.

I do know that my /6 starter worked on the 360..and the dak starter worked on my 360 ergo, it should work on the /6.

I know, no help at all...
 
All Mopar gear reduction starters "should" interchange. Now some of the original "wound field" motors WERE heavier or lighter "duty" but they would bolt up and crank the engine

Maybe you got a mis--boxed part? If it fits a 90's Dakota SB then it should fit any Mopar that ever used a gear reduction starter.

WITH the exception that a few of these evidently hit the block of some engines. Some can be "clocked" motor housing to drive housing, etc. and some are 'cause of the terminal adapter on the starter
 
I just found out one of the diffences is the old original starter has 9 teeth vurses any of the other starters I tried which have 10 teeth. Would that be the reason why these starters are not engaging? Jeds67
 
1......What is the starter you are trying to use SUPPOSED to fit?

2......How do you know that it's "correct" for the "supposed" application, IE mis boxed, mis assembled, etc?
 
You do realize that the gears don't engage until you turn the key to the "start" position,, then the starter gear is slid backward by a solenoid to engage the flywheel..

Otherwise the gears make no contact... just checking..

hope it helps
 
There is a 9 tooth direct-drive Prestolite starter listed for some 170 and 225s for 61-63. It's not one I've ever seen before. It looks very 50's, if you know what I mean. They don't list any "can-use" options, so you may need to stick with the original style starter...
 
67Dart273 I have tried a mini starter (not sure of brand) from a 91 full size dodge van v8 and a reman from Napa that there computor said would fit until I dicovered the different number of teeth (should be only 9 not ten). As for fitment someone on another site said that any starter from 63 to 76 will fit which they probably do but they do not engage. These all have 10 teeth on the drive gear. I think dusterglenn has it right that I have to find an original starter to make it work. Thank you Jeds67
 
So yours did or did not have a gear reduction starter? I'm guessin "not?"

If so, that would explain it.
 
I can't give details, but I'm pretty sure the Canadian built early '60's Mopars had some differences. I think the starter was one of them. I'm assuming the car is Canadian built based on your location.
 
That is probably one thing too that it is a Canadian car. I guess I could update the flywheel then I could install a mini. Thank you guys for all your help. Jeds67
 
Actually it is the exact same as this one but my car is a 63 Fury go figure.I guess if I want to run a mini or a newer starter I will have to update my flywheel.

[ame="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-1962-Dodge-Dart-Lancer-Coronet-Fury-Restored-Prestolite-12-Volt-Starter-/281231650094?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417ab66d2e&vxp=mtr"]1959 1962 Dodge Dart Lancer Coronet Fury Restored Prestolite 12 Volt Starter | eBay[/ame]
 
yes your starter is different and has the relay on the starter not like the newwer cars with relay on firewall/inner fender
 
This was sent to me by a friend today from a friend of his and should clear everything up.

Starters for Vintage Engines
When the slant six came on the market in 1960, the starter used a direct-drive Bendix setup. This starter was replaced, in the United States, by the new Chrysler-built reduction gear starter. It is with this starter that the ring gear on the torque converter changed.


The reduction gear starter was used on all U.S.-built Chrysler products, except the 1962-1964 Dodge 880 and Chrysler Newports with the manual transmssion. They hung on to the direct drive starter.


In Canada, the slant six engine used the Prestolite direct-drive starter up to 1966, while all V8-powered Chryco vehicles used the reduction-gear starter. So, if you have a Canadian-built 1962-1966 Chrysler product with the slant six, you will need to use the Prestolite starter.


And, if you get your transmission rebuilt, make sure the shop uses the 1961 slant six torque converter. A friend had the Torqueflite transmission on his Canadian-built 1964 Valiant V200 slant six (model VVX1-H-41) rebuilt, and the shop, being an American franchise outfit, used their American parts lists. So, he landed up with an American model 1964 torque converter. When he tried to start the car, it sounded as if the starter and ring gear were not mating. A couple of days later, he cracked the starter gear.


The starter was taken into a local electrical shop and the starter was rebuilt. Again, the starter and ring gear did not seem to mesh. At this point he told me his problems and I checked Chrysler of Canada's parts catalogues for the 1960-1964 Valiants. Sure enough, the starters and torque converters on the Canadian Valiants did not change in 1962, as they did in the U.S. We went to a local yard and acquired the starter, solenoid and associated wiring from a 1972 Dart and installed it in his Valiant. The car fired up the first time the key was turned. I bought his direct-drive starter and used it in my Canadian-built 1962 Valiant, which was in need of a new starter.


Also, the starters from the 273/318 V8's can be used in the slant six, for those vehicles with the reduction gear starter. They will not work in the pre-1962 Chrysler products, or in the 1962-1966 Canadian-built slant six models. Beware, too, that the 1966 Barracuda, Belvedere and Coronet were not built in Canada, so they will have the reduction gear starter.
The reduction gear starter was smaller and lighter than the direct-drive starter. Plus, the solenoid is separate from the starter. As Autolite was the source of the direct drive starter prior to the Ford takeover, it is very similar to the Ford starter. Solenoids for Autolite/Prestolite starters are becoming hard to find, and apparently the more common Ford solenoid will work on the Chrysler starters.
 
a 95 dodge pick up starter can also be used as a mini starter on a 318 360 LA block
 
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