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I figure u folks may like this and have some ideas for me.

Me and my pops are building a car to run vintage drags and hopefully drag week.

She's a 1927 Model T, 454 big block, Runninh Enderly mechanical injection.

All the work is done by my dad and I.

Enjoy.







 
Very nicely done!

What's the purpose of the small block in the first picture? As I recall, the center
lines, and mounts, even the block size on the small block Chevy and the big blocks are very different.
 
Negative. Big and small Chevys use the same mounts.

I agree, it's super cool. Keep the pics comin.
 
Big block could take a few notes from the small block.
The old scool v-covers and pipes rocked with the vintage hot rod tin.
By the way my opinion don't even count cause the only thing I ever liked about
a Chevy in my entire life was the way a 55 gasser looked.
That does look like its going to be very fast though. Should be fun.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Negative. Big and small Chevys use the same mounts.

I agree, it's super cool. Keep the pics comin.
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What about dimensions, are they the same, too. Block length, etc?

The distance from the mount to the bell housing, trans mounts, etc?
 
Frankie said:
What about dimensions, are they the same, too. Block length, etc?

The distance from the mount to the bell housing, trans mounts, etc?
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Yes. Generally speaking the bigun will bolt right where the smallun will. Same bellhousing pattern, same distance, same mounts. Although the big block heads are very wide, the difference went inside, towards the center of the intake. The intake on the small block is actually wider. This makes the outside dimensions on the two engines very close together. In fact, the bare blocks are very close to being the same width.

I have built a slew of Chevy hot rods in the past. Actually thinkin about another 68-72 Nova.
 
Thanks guys.

The small block runs and drives. (Better than pushing her around for now)

Nothing on the small block is going back in the car. That motor will go on a stand as garrage art/spare.

We're going to sold mount the motor where ever she lines up to the tranny.

We have a full msd set up for the car but haven't decided if we want to run that or the mag that we got.
Thoughts on that?

Some thing I need help with are,

Plumbing.
I want to run a thermostat and the intake has a spot but I like the look of just two Braden lines and AN fittings TIG welded into the radiator.

Water pump.

Where to put it and any recommendations?

Hangnout, thanks for your advice and feal free to post any picks here.

Thanks for the kind words, I know this one of the toughest crowds around. If we can get MOPAR folks to dig a Ford chevy hybrid we can't be going to far in the wrong direction.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Yes. Generally speaking the bigun will bolt right where the smallun will. Same bellhousing pattern, same distance, same mounts. Although the big block heads are very wide, the difference went inside, towards the center of the intake. The intake on the small block is actually wider. This makes the outside dimensions on the two engines very close together. In fact, the bare blocks are very close to being the same width.

I have built a slew of Chevy hot rods in the past. Actually thinkin about another 68-72 Nova.
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I've built some Chevies, too, but never made a mouse/rat swap, or vise-versa. That's real interesting, though that they had the foresight to simplify things like that.

I liked the first two Nova body styles. That sounds like a fun project.
 
Thanks Rusty.
That looks like a good option with good reviews.

Anyone got thoughts on running large AN fittings and line right out of the intake to the radiator VS a thermostat and that gauge hose?

I would be interested in folks thoughts on running g a mag VS MSD dizzy and 6AL.?

Thanks again for all the time and advice.

Here's a few more picks for ya before turkey day.



That rear end is going away and the rear will be mini tubbed, relocated to fit the wheel opening. Yes we will be removing that fuel cell and re doing the trunk. I'll snap a pick of the 32 trunk next time I'm at the shop and show what the trunk will look like.

Here's a shot of the 32 A. She should be quite fast as well.



Pay no attention to the car on the lift, it's not one of ours.
 
Frankie said:
I've built some Chevies, too, but never made a mouse/rat swap, or vise-versa. That's real interesting, though that they had the foresight to simplify things like that.

I liked the first two Nova body styles. That sounds like a fun project.
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But you know with GM, Chevy was the bastard child with swaps. Buick, Olds, Pontiac and Cadillac can all swap between themselves, but Chevy was the odd man out. I always thought it was strange they did that.

My last one was a 69 Nova that began life, oddly enough as a 153 4 cylinder car. I blueprinted a 350 HP 396 for that car. Stone stock. It was not slow.

I just want to get back to basics with something. Just real tired of special and expensive parts. If I am to stay in this hobby, it is gonna have to be done as cheaply as possible. Even the RobKat is beginning to stretch the limits of the budget and it is very close to being on the road.
 
Yes. The old Chrysler Hemis have options available like that. Maybe you could make this work for you.

http://hothemiheads.com/water_pumps/thermostat_kit.html


Cope said:
Thanks Rusty.
That looks like a good option with good reviews.

Anyone got thoughts on running large AN fittings and line right out of the intake to the radiator VS a thermostat and that gauge hose?

I would be interested in folks thoughts on running g a mag VS MSD dizzy and 6AL.?

Thanks again for all the time and advice.

Here's a few more picks for ya before turkey day.



Here's a shot of the 32 A. She should be quite fast as well.



Pay no attention to the car on the lift, it's not one of ours.
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With the mechanical injection I'd run the magneto. Vertex or Joe Hunt.
MSD is just a multi spark electronic ignition that you can't even put good
copper core cables on without it going to hell over the rfs. Then there's the graphite spiral bull that wont last or even come close to copper as a conductor. Their only used because they don't generate the rfs and they can sell a lot more of them cause they dont last.
MSD has its place in racing with electronics. Snooozzzz.
Doesn't belong in any vintage or nostalgia racing.
 
ssba said:
With the mechanical injection I'd run the magneto. Vertex or Joe Hunt.
MSD is just a multi spark electronic ignition that you can't even put good
copper core cables on without it going to hell over the rfs. Then there's the graphite spiral bull that wont last or even come close to copper as a conductor. Their only used because they don't generate the rfs and they can sell a lot more of them cause they dont last.
MSD has its place in racing with electronics. Snooozzzz.
Doesn't belong in any vintage or nostalgia racing.
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Run the god damn mag,lol. Nice work,!...
 
Nice job and project! I just love the old Enderle's, Hilborns and even Webers and multi Strombergs....Vertex and Joe Hunt. Old school stuff....fond memories.
 
RustyRatRod said:
I just want to get back to basics with something. Just real tired of special and expensive parts. If I am to stay in this hobby, it is gonna have to be done as cheaply as possible. Even the RobKat is beginning to stretch the limits of the budget and it is very close to being on the road.
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These are my thoughts also.....so tired of paying top dollar for parts and still not ending up with what I really wanted to do with my Dart. I have change direction because of cost so many times I'm kinda burned out on it. Have to finish it now tho( kinda close) cause I have way more in it than I could possibly get out of it. Sorry for getting off topic.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Yes. Generally speaking the bigun will bolt right where the smallun will. Same bellhousing pattern, same distance, same mounts. Although the big block heads are very wide, the difference went inside, towards the center of the intake. The intake on the small block is actually wider. This makes the outside dimensions on the two engines very close together. In fact, the bare blocks are very close to being the same width.

I have built a slew of Chevy hot rods in the past. Actually thinkin about another 68-72 Nova.
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Like it or not, Gm sure knew how to engineer a Auto. You can put any engine into any car GM made very easy, Not this Mopar engineering. This engine will only fit in this body.....
 
Mopar Tim said:
Like it or not, Gm sure knew how to engineer a Auto. You can put any engine into any car GM made very easy, Not this Mopar engineering. This engine will only fit in this body.....
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Yup. I've always said that people who knock GM and Chevys, have never had one. They have Mopar beat in a lot of ways, not even counting the parts availability end of things.

I still love Mopar best, but not where my finances are concerned.
 
OK that's enough of this kind of chevy affection foolishness for me.
I'll be mosy'n along now. Lol.
 
well its a Ford body..

;)

Ball honed the cylenders after work.

Valve stem seals dont fit under the tripple coil springs so the heads gotta wait a few more days.

Got some plumbing figured out, the cam drive fuel pump for one is wrong. :eek:ops:

The short list is, motor, fix cage, wheelie bar, parachute, go racing!

:burnout:

Thanks again for the time and advice.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Yup. I've always said that people who knock GM and Chevys, have never had one. They have Mopar beat in a lot of ways, not even counting the parts availability end of things.

I still love Mopar best, but not where my finances are concerned.
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Rob,miss my Chevy rats & mice...
 
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