I have a head guy in Michigan... He does great work at reasonable prices... (He gives good head...)
Once you find a guy that does great work, you have to hold on to him like grim death...
Modern Cylinder Head
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I have a head guy in Michigan... He does great work at reasonable prices... (He gives good head...)
Once you find a guy that does great work, you have to hold on to him like grim death...
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Oogliboogli
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33IMP
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I can tell you why i would have used modern before Jeff passed.
I'm from california. There are lots of good machine shops, and I'm sure good porters here. But, I'll bet 85% of their business is chevy, and another 10% ford. There is a nationally known mopar shop within easy driving distance, and I have used him before, very pleased with his work, but, he ports by hand, and I don't want to pay for all the hours a hand port job must cost.
Therefore, I'm looking for a good cnc program for MY heads, 2nd version maxwedge victors. I want someone who knows, and cares about the differences between first and second gen, max and regular port, stealth,rpm, victor,trick flow, or pro maxx. Modern had those programs and the reputation for good specific mopar work. It's a shame that Jeff's brother has run into trouble maintaining that reputation.
(As an aside, I would SURELY have bought the trick flow 270s, but not even the tf240s existed when I bought my victors.)
I'll give you that. It ain't everybody knows what's goin on with Mopar stuff.
I stepped in a pile of barf once when I got off a roller coaster at Disney World. Somebody said "hey Rob, look out there's a pile of <SPLAT>......barf"
Are you looking to encourage FABO members to start up a GO FUND ME account for a certain member in Georgia ?
Are you looking to encourage FABO members to start up a GO FUND ME account for a certain member in Georgia ?
lol
This is where the difference lies... and I support @331MP in his thinking. Unfortunately, times have migrated into forcing racers to CNC prepared parts.
@LO23M8B also makes a COMPLETELY valid point concerning the Stock, Super Stock guys.
In fact, I have a anecdotal story that is hand in glove...
20 years ago, there was a local guy here (friend A) that had aspirations in running a 440 6Bbl in SS. Beings he was friends with another local guy, who campaigns a shivi in SS (never qualifies in the top 40 at national events) and runs a business porting heads, it was a natural to use him.
My friend gets his heads back (906s of coarse), and asks, 'how do they flow?'... 'don't worry about it' he reponds, '.....they flow good'. They did look 'ok', but I didn't like the VJ.
Naturally, not being satisfied with that answer, friend A takes said heads to friend B and throws them on the bench and found numbers that would probably never got him TO the national index, much-less BELOW the index.
Lesson learned, and the job had to be re-done.
When I pick up a head and start grinding my grinder doesn’t know if it’s a ford, Chevy, or Mopar Head. And my flowbench doesn’t either. I will say I hate flowing ford small block intakes bolted on a head because of the way it pushes the intake away instead of sucking it in like other makes. But a couple c clamps fixes that issue. I would like to hear the whole story like when did you start trying to contact him. Porting takes time especially in bigger shops. Did you change your plans any after a deal was made, many change their minds weekly. Remember if a guy is on the phone talking to you someone’s work is being neglected, and it may be yours. Most stories have two sides.
yellow rose
Overnight Sensation
CNC doesn’t mean good, nor does it mean that the copied port was any good.
I’ve seen lots of junk CNC heads. Personally the best OOTB CNC heads I've seen is the TF small block heads. I haven’t flowed one, but it’s the best CNC porting I’ve seen.
yellow rose
Overnight Sensation
Exactly. A correct port isn’t dependent on what brand is on the valve cover. I’ve seen some “chrysler” guys butcher heads so bad they weren’t worth fixing.
I totally agree! seems to be where most gravitate though...
In the OP, (post #5) they 'negotiated' for 'minimal' work... says a lot in itself.
I guess you didn't get your heads done in your timely manner.
I bet you sent the heads in early spring.
In the future it is best to send out parts to be worked on in the fall.
Late winter and early spring is busy season at most shops.
I bet you sent the heads in early spring.
In the future it is best to send out parts to be worked on in the fall.
Late winter and early spring is busy season at most shops.
yellow rose
Overnight Sensation
Oh heck yes. We used to offer discounts and stuff for customers to bring their stuff in by the fall or at least before Christmas.
But no one liked doing that. Come spring, the big orange orb starts showing itself and everybody, their mother, their mothers lovers and a half dozen of their friends all show up and need their crap in two weeks because “it’s time to race”.
Hard to believe full grown men can’t look that far ahead. But they don’t, and the sniveling is severe when you tell them you are 4-6 weeks out.
The Winter I quit doing outside work I had 10 jobs (head and intake porting) lined up to be dropped off between the third week of October and the end of November. Zero were dropped off so I jumped on two engines that needed done and then my stuff. Rather than drop the ball on those expecting me to jump on their stuff in March I called each of them in December and told them I’m done doing outside work. Boy the tears started flying then. Zero money was wanted unless they needed farmed out work, valves, or springs then pay for that only. I missed it for awhile but now that I started doing my own transmissions it frees up time. I may even do some bodywork on my black Duster this winter.
That's why the research needs to be done before the cnc programing. I know everyone was sending there predator heads to them and selling them as there's. I not sticking up for them just telling what I know. They always had a good replication. I hope they have kept it.
67Dart273
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Seems to me you guys are beating up on this guy, when the business involved, IF he's being truthful, ignored all communication. That to me is a Great Big Red Flag. Even if they were behind, WAY behind, or maybe just didn't want that work, they could have gotten in touch
These aren’t normal times guys. Many and I mean many shops aren’t good at communication to start with and lack qualified phone personnel. With this damn coronavirus it’s even worse.
I know what you're saying... beating up on anyone was never my intention.
In fact, the lack of communication is hard to accept. I know I don't run things that way.
Perspectives are different, depending on what side of the counter you occupy..
Just use who you're happy with.
MOPAROFFICIAL
Oogliboogli
As mechanical as it is/seems. It's an art form and you're dealing with artists.
If you're in this to make money easy and think it's just going through the motions ...you won't last in this biz for very long.
If you're in this to make money easy and think it's just going through the motions ...you won't last in this biz for very long.
Dartswinger70
Well-Known Member
The "COVITS" slowed alot of things down this year.
Dartswinger70
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man ya know what? alot of machine shops arent around any more, not for these old school engines. It difficult to find someone who does it that isnt backlogged etc.
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