my Low dollar 318 hop-up project

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To my knowledge Sweden has the largest US car meeting in the world, sometime in summer...
Like I found out that the small island of Iceland has, like 100+ first class Mopars. Go figure.
Back to OT, sorry.
 
I'm working on a 360 that is going in my Duster that I had for 12 years now. This winter all my time went into bodywork and interior work. I did have some time to start porting the 360 heads. 318willruns videos and encouragement gave me the courage to do it myself. After reading all the posts in this thread again I am totally anxious to get started on that 360 again the coming winter! Great work 318willrun, and thanks for this thread! With a stock converter and 2.76 I'm totally impressed how much rubber it lays down! Here's a pic on my porting and my Duster. I still have some polishing and evening out to do.

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If that is your first time porting, you sir, have done professional work! That looks GREAT! And what a nice A-body you have!
 
Your money your choice

What would you think give you the best bang for the buck for the next mod, gears or stall or exhaust or something else ??
Thanks 273, for this chance to open the topic up a little and inform newbies or strict budget workers that there are so many "after the fact" affordable add-ons to continue the project without searching for a "340". :)

By "bang for the buck", I assume you mean which would lower the E.T. the most. Of the 3 you listed, probably a quality converter at this point. A good converter will make up for a lack of gearing in 60 ft (if I had tires to hook it up) and get the car into the power band quicker. I've dropped .4 in years past just by a simple converter swap. I would fully expect this car to respond the same, and may give me more if it was a high end ($$) converter. But you could drop in a cheaper converter (300.00 Hughes?) and pull plenty off the E.T.
  • But gears would certainly take a huge slice of E.T. right off the top (but take away the great highway cruising rpm I have now)! 3.55's - 3.91's would certainly help the teener move it off the line and get into the power band quicker. Price would be determined by the shopper.
  • Exhaling. I'm confident just a set of headers alone would add 2 mph to this car in the 1/4 mile. I'm shifting at 5300-5400 rpm's right now, but a set of headers would probably move the shift point to 5600 rpms. Headers alone may be 25-30 hp when matched to this cam and home-ported heads. Yes, a cheap 135.00 dollar set of headers from summit would do the job.
  • Compression, this cam is crying for compression, which I denied it to support the budget. It's not a fast ramp cam that aids in low compression motors. It's an old Crane fireball type of grind. A simple cutting of the heads .040 for a 150.00 bucks would be a seat of the pants difference, and add low end grunt, and be stronger all the way through.
 
Thanks! It is my first time porting. Followed your videos on the exhaust and when I had done them I had plenty of practice to start on the intake side :)
 
I'm working on a 360 that is going in my Duster that I had for 12 years now. This winter all my time went into bodywork and interior work. I did have some time to start porting the 360 heads. 318willruns videos and encouragement gave me the courage to do it myself. After reading all the posts in this thread again I am totally anxious to get started on that 360 again the coming winter! Great work 318willrun, and thanks for this thread! With a stock converter and 2.76 I'm totally impressed how much rubber it lays down! Here's a pic on my porting and my Duster. I still have some polishing and evening out to do.

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Hey, great work on the heads! Those are iron heads, right? What bits did you use and where did you get them?

/Another Swede
 
Thanks 273, for this chance to open the topic up a little and inform newbies or strict budget workers that there are so many "after the fact" affordable add-ons to continue the project without searching for a "340". :)

By "bang for the buck", I assume you mean which would lower the E.T. the most. Of the 3 you listed, probably a quality converter at this point. A good converter will make up for a lack of gearing in 60 ft (if I had tires to hook it up) and get the car into the power band quicker. I've dropped .4 in years past just by a simple converter swap. I would fully expect this car to respond the same, and may give me more if it was a high end ($$) converter. But you could drop in a cheaper converter (300.00 Hughes?) and pull plenty off the E.T.
  • But gears would certainly take a huge slice of E.T. right off the top (but take away the great highway cruising rpm I have now)! 3.55's - 3.91's would certainly help the teener move it off the line and get into the power band quicker. Price would be determined by the shopper.
  • Exhaling. I'm confident just a set of headers alone would add 2 mph to this car in the 1/4 mile. I'm shifting at 5300-5400 rpm's right now, but a set of headers would probably move the shift point to 5600 rpms. Headers alone may be 25-30 hp when matched to this cam and home-ported heads. Yes, a cheap 135.00 dollar set of headers from summit would do the job.
  • Compression, this cam is crying for compression, which I denied it to support the budget. It's not a fast ramp cam that aids in low compression motors. It's an old Crane fireball type of grind. A simple cutting of the heads .040 for a 150.00 bucks would be a seat of the pants difference, and add low end grunt, and be stronger all the way through.
Follow-up question on cutting the head: Would a 0.040" cut mean new push rods or is it within tolerances, so to speak?
 
Follow-up question on cutting the head: Would a 0.040" cut mean new push rods or is it within tolerances, so to speak?
Couple of things: First, the factory tin head gaskets are only about .015 thick compressed. Your typical over the counter fel pro head gasket (like I used in the Summit kit) is about .050 thick compressed. So, as you can see, .040 is only going to truly net me only about .005. Now, at the other end of the head gasket spectrum, if you go with a .028 compressed performance gasket, you are still only netting about .030 from the factory.
  • Trust me on this: Factory blocks have different deck heights and cylinder heads will vary as well. Not all engines were "true" from the factory and all used the same push rods from the factory be it 318,340 or 360. My point is, hydraulic lifters will generally be forgiven of a .030 gain (probably the best you'd do with a special thin gasket). Quick test is once assembled, with the valve shut and cam lobe on opposite side of lifter, your rocker should have slight "wiggle" room.
  • I have never run into a problem with cutting the heads .040 and using stock push rods with hydraulic cams.
  • Last, if you wanted to measure to be on the safe side, not a problem. Measure :)
 
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Couple of things: First, the factory tin head gaskets are only about .015 thick compressed. Your typical over the counter fel pro head gasket (like I used in the Summit kit) is about .050 thick compressed. So, as you can see, .040 is only going to truly net me only about .005. Now, at the other end of the head gasket spectrum, if you go with a .028 compressed performance gasket, you are still only netting about .030 from the factory.
  • Trust me on this: Factory blocks have different deck heights and cylinder heads will vary as well. Not all engines were "true" from the factory and all used the same push rods from the factory be it 318,340 or 360. My point is, hydraulic lifters will generally be for given of a .030 gain (probably the best you'd do with a special thin gasket). Quick test is once assembled, with the valve shut and cam lobe on opposite side of lifter, your rocker should have slight "wiggle" room.
  • I have never run into a problem with cutting the heads .040 and using stock push rods with hydraulic cams.
  • Last, if you wanted to measure to be on the safe side, not a problem. Measure :)
Thanks for the thorough reply!
 
Thanks for the thorough reply!
I guess I would throw a warning out IF you deck the block, and cut the heads! Then, better pay attention to the push rods, and intake mating the heads.
 
Hey, great work on the heads! Those are iron heads, right? What bits did you use and where did you get them?

/Another Swede
Thanks! Yes, they are stock 360 iron heads. I borrowed cutting bits from a friend. A couple of different sizes and lengths. I also used sandpaper rolls. I could not find them in Sweden so I ordered from Summit.
 
Thanks! Yes, they are stock 360 iron heads. I borrowed cutting bits from a friend. A couple of different sizes and lengths. I also used sandpaper rolls. I could not find them in Sweden so I ordered from Summit.
Ok, thanks. :thumbsup:
 
good idea for a thread! lots of young guys lacking funds and older guys like me, that think "keep costs down" and " everything does NOT have to be the ultimate and perfectitis" !????

have same engine sitting in the 64 dart LOOKING for a cable shift S B 904! (ad) ha
 
318 -67-75 shortblk add 1.88/1.60 heads from 360 with mopar thin gaskets , comp xe268 cam , dual plane intake 360/340 or rpm style 600 cfm carb , headers and go have fun on the cheap
 
Hey 318WillRun,
I went through this thread last year. I haven't finished porting my heads yet and wanted re-watch the videos as a refresher. I watched the video about the vacuum of the Summit Cam and I noticed your gauge read just low of a "normal" motor. Have you had any issues related to the low vacuum? I'm planning on buying this cam for my 318 so I'm guessing I may need a vacuum canister, any thoughts?

Thanks again for this thread, its been an awesome resource.

 
Hey 318WillRun,
I went through this thread last year. I haven't finished porting my heads yet and wanted re-watch the videos as a refresher. I watched the video about the vacuum of the Summit Cam and I noticed your gauge read just low of a "normal" motor. Have you had any issues related to the low vacuum? I'm planning on buying this cam for my 318 so I'm guessing I may need a vacuum canister, any thoughts?

Thanks again for this thread, its been an awesome resource.


no issues with vacuum. I have manual brakes also. Actually, it holds roughly 16-17 vacuum, which isn't bad at all with the cam. This cam in the 318 really wants a little better gears, and a small upgrade in converter. I also think headers would move the shift point to 5500 rpms and add a couple mph to the E.T.
But as it stands, I'm happy.....
 
no issues with vacuum. I have manual brakes also. Actually, it holds roughly 16-17 vacuum, which isn't bad at all with the cam. This cam in the 318 really wants a little better gears, and a small upgrade in converter. I also think headers would move the shift point to 5500 rpms and add a couple mph to the E.T.
But as it stands, I'm happy.....
Good to know. I too have manual brakes, but factory A/C that runs on vacuum so that was my only concern.
 
Good to know. I too have manual brakes, but factory A/C that runs on vacuum so that was my only concern.
Can't answer on the A/C, sorry. I would think the vacuum should be ok.... that's just me think'n, and that's dangerous :D
 
318WillRun,
How about an update on your project?
Thanks, Richard
Been using it to compare intakes. First the factory cast vs the Holley Street Dominator. Now it's the Action Plus vs both. We'll see which one performs the best (and I figured before starting not much difference in them all). Had 60 bucks into the cast, had 30 bucks into the Holley SD, and I'm not sure what I have into the Action plus, been around a while.
Another intake shootout... Weiand Action Plus is up to bat !!
 
Just read your whole thread and am very impressed with methods and results. OUTstanding job there. Congratulations and enjoy cruising. I have a stock 340 that I am rebuilding and did a DIY hand porting and gasket match. Makes me want to tear down heads and check with socket and screwdriver to see how good. But I will resist and get it back running instead. Thanks for your efforts.
 
Forgot about this thread! Has to be one of my all time favorites. 318willrun,thank you for your noteworthy efforts,and taking the time to share your results. It is always good to remember the grassroots of our hobby,and how it doesn't need to cost a fortune to have a fun mopar!
 
New best.... swapped the old 670 Street Avenger for a 770 Street Avenger I had.... Gained 2 tenths in the 1/8. Unfortunately, because of the weather they only ran the 1/8. This will conclude the 318 as it is, and this project as it was intended. Most likely will change some things on the car going forward.

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Yep, 14.90's not bad at all. My 73 Challenger with the low performance 340 used to run 9.75's pretty consistently. That was a stocker with no mods.
 
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