Need help with edelbrock 1406 carb

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Lean or rich are tuning issues that essentially all carbs need to be correct for a given application. The original jetting may be lean for Carter/Edelbrock carbs, but that is just a metering rod or jet away. My experience with Carters is great. My 340 FB FS was no faster with a 750 Holley than the original AVS, but the AVS got far better fuel economy than the Holley.
What is more of an issue today is the quality of fuel. Ethanol eats the inside of carbs if let to sit for any length of time, and ethanol destroys Viton seals causing flooding. This can happen to any carb. Ethanol also eats the plating on steel gas tanks putting rust and oxides into the fuel system, also leading to leaks.
For us, the sad thing is, ethanol does nothing for emissions or performance unless you design the whole system to be compatible with it.
It's not just the jetting and rods with those. It's everything. It's the boosters as well. There's a thread around here somewhere showing just how many differences there between the 1405 and 1406. People can flip and flop it and argue it however they want, but the two carburetors are vastly different. It's been well documented.
 
It's not just the jetting and rods with those. It's everything. It's the boosters as well. There's a thread around here somewhere showing just how many differences there between the 1405 and 1406. People can flip and flop it and argue it however they want, but the two carburetors are vastly different. It's been well documented.
That is correct, but my point is that tuning is required no matter which car brand or type used to get optimum performance. During the '76-'77 gas crisis, i changed the cam in my 340 to a 318 cam, tuned the AVS to perfection (leanest AFR for power) and used 2.94 gears and 28" tall tires. I got 24-25 MPG on drives from LA to SF or the like and actually went from South SF to Irvine, CA on one tank of gas. ~400 miles. The car still turned 14.50's at OCIR with this setup, so it was no slouch, but down from 13.50's stock.
 
That is correct, but my point is that tuning is required no matter which car brand or type used to get optimum performance. During the '76-'77 gas crisis, i changed the cam in my 340 to a 318 cam, tuned the AVS to perfection (leanest AFR for power) and used 2.94 gears and 28" tall tires. I got 24-25 MPG on drives from LA to SF or the like and actually went from South SF to Irvine, CA on one tank of gas. ~400 miles. The car still turned 14.50's at OCIR with this setup, so it was no slouch, but down from 13.50's stock.
I believe we all get that. I don't think anyone disagrees.
 
Ok. Took off the top, remeasured the floats, made sure they didn’t have any holes. The mechanical pump is supposed to be 6psi. Fuel pressure measurement is 7-8 psi. Fuel dripping from the venturis during idle. Sure looks like lots of fuel to me.
 
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No fuel should be dripping from the venturis at idle. Only fuel to the engine comes from the idle mixture screws. I would try replacing the needle/seat and set the float slightly lower than specifications. If this solves the issue, consider resetting the floats to specs. 1/16th to 2/16ths lower than stock should work but may lean out the mixture under power. But this will put slightly more pressure on the seats.
 
No fuel should be dripping from the venturis at idle. Only fuel to the engine comes from the idle mixture screws. I would try replacing the needle/seat and set the float slightly lower than specifications. If this solves the issue, consider resetting the floats to specs. 1/16th to 2/16ths lower than stock should work but may lean out the mixture under power. But this will put slightly more pressure on the seats.
Thank you. The needle seats and needles are brand new, floats are set at 7/16”. I got a pressure tester on it and it’s at 7-8 psi. The floats would need to be set higher not lower, correct? Greater than 7/16” to put more force on the needle? I think I’m at the point where I’m either going to throw a regulator on it or go buy a street demon….
 
Sorry, float settings are from different perspectives. Larger number means lower fuel level. As they are upside down when you measure them, it all depends on how you look at them. 8/16ths or 9/16ths may help, but lower fuel pressure may actually be the better solution.
 
Weird stuff. I put a regulator on it, still dripping from the venturis. Took it all apart again and found one of the venturis clogged. Cleaned it, and still dripping…. I don’t mind just buying another carburetor but man this just seems like it shouldn’t be this hard.
 
With your higher 7-8 psi of fuel pressure, set the floats to 1/2" [ not 7/16" ].

You have a flooding issue & it is not due to the 7-8 psi. The needle seats should have a washer under them. Flooding will happen without them. The fuel inlet system on these carbs is very simple....& robust. Binding, leaking floats etc cause flooding. Make sure the floats move freely. Make sure the baffles [ one in the air horn, one in the body ] are not interfering with float movement. Before refitting the air horn & suck on the fuel inlet. If you can suck air, it will flood....
 
What is more of an issue today is the quality of fuel. Ethanol eats the inside of carbs if let to sit for any length of time, and ethanol destroys Viton seals causing flooding. This can happen to any carb. Ethanol also eats the plating on steel gas tanks putting rust and oxides into the fuel system, also leading to leaks.
I had this issues several years ago and was at Carlisle where Herb McCandless recommended a product called Carb Defender from a company called Driven. I have used it religiously ever since on 3 carbed LA motors and the Weber on my Rampage with no further issues with internal corrosion.
 
Very helpful this is. It looks like I have a lot of orifices to check. Different symptoms though. Starts right up, idles good although smells like it's on the fat side, in gear and part throttle not so good, give it a little pump on the pedal, smooths right out briefly. The hot rod does not have the stock fuel tank in it. It appears to be well constructed, but no idea if it's plated inside, a magnet won't make it down the fill spout to check for rust particles in the tank. Clear fuel filter is installed now, will see if any junk is visible in the fuel.
 
Let's cut through the bullch*t.

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Do not use an elec pump with a mech pump to stop vapour lock. It won't work...... Neither pump is designed to work with another pump. If you want to avoid vapour lock, use the elec pump by itself.........or else I have been incredibly lucky over the last 50 yrs.
- When Edel started making Carter AFBs, they changed very little. One thing NOT changed was the fuel inlet/delivery system. The parts are interchangeable. The robust design can be used up to 10 psi fuel pressure [ yes, 10 ]. Float level needs to be adjusted for [a] n/s size fuel pressure. The 5.5 psi figure bandied about for Edel carbs is the datum pressure. more pressure will raise fuel level & vice versa. Adjust jetting accordingly.

Bewy - Sorry I'm late noticing your reply. I'd be interested in removing the mechanical fuel pump and following your advice. Is there some kind of fuel pump block off plate or something? I'm going to have to search it out now.
 
Bewy - Sorry I'm late noticing your reply. I'd be interested in removing the mechanical fuel pump and following your advice. Is there some kind of fuel pump block off plate or something? I'm going to have to search it out now.
Small block chevy bolts right up, even uses the same gasket.
 
Dmopower,
Post #26. The more you post on this, the more you show lack of knowledge:
- fuel level can rise [ seep ] for other reasons than trash. Improperly machined fuel inlet seat, deformed needle, needle a sloppy fit, excess pressure & leaking gasket can all cause the problem.
- for the purposes of the engine in question, & I am assuming a mech engine driven fuel pump, the problem with a 12 psi pump is the pump, not a regulator reqd to fix a faulty pump.
- no, the tangs do not bend on the floats from excess pressure. The fuel level simply rises...& the carb floods. Once the fuel rises above the float, you now have the weight of the fuel pushing DOWN on top of the float as a counter forc

If you are correct and you aren,t when you add a regulator the floats will not need readjusted. Why would a float still seep on anew carb. Well I looked and there was no trash. I googled the issue and found several people having this issue. Under high pressure and some of the new pumps are pushing 12 psi it not only floods the carb it BENDS the float tabs. I'm shocked that just because you have not had this issue that you ASSUME nobody else has ever had this issue. Pretty arrogant.

On some of these carbs the float tabs get bent from the excessive pressure and you MUST reset the float after installing a regulator. Maybe on a race car with a cam people don't realize it. On a car that runs like FI it's pretty noticeable and an easy fix. I have never blown a head gasket but it would be ignorant and arrogant of me so suggest it does not happen.
100%. I've witnessed exactly what you're describing with fuel pressure bending the float tabs. Huge issue with the Carter carbs in the Jeep world. 4 psi max. The fuel filter controls pressure, and nobody checks fuel pressure after they replace it. 6 PSI, and the carb won't last a month. So people think the carb needs to be rebuilt, still don't check fuel pressure, and happens again less than a month. Then they blame the carb say it's junk. So they buy a new carb, and then decide that now fuel pressure matters. Lol if fuel pressure is high you can drill out the orifice to control it, but nobody does that either. They had a second regulator, and that's how they control pressure. Drives me nuts. But anyway yes you are absolutely correct
 
Dmopower,
Post #26. The more you post on this, the more you show lack of knowledge:
- fuel level can rise [ seep ] for other reasons than trash. Improperly machined fuel inlet seat, deformed needle, needle a sloppy fit, excess pressure & leaking gasket can all cause the problem.
- for the purposes of the engine in question, & I am assuming a mech engine driven fuel pump, the problem with a 12 psi pump is the pump, not a regulator reqd to fix a faulty pump.
- no, the tangs do not bend on the floats from excess pressure. The fuel level simply rises...& the carb floods. Once the fuel rises above the float, you now have the weight of the fuel pushing DOWN on top of the float as a counter force.
Fuel pressure 100% will bend the tangs for the float on some carbs. Huge problem on the older Jeeps with the inline 6 and the Carter carbs. 6 psi is all it takes with that carb. The needle gets forced back The floats are all the way up and there's no movement left. You can put brand new float and needle and everything in there, and if it's over 4 PSI it does it again less than a month. I've personally witnessed it numerous times.
 
Carter four barrel AFB. AVS & TQ carbs are designed to take up to 10 psi of fuel. Carter published a chart, below, on how to re-adjust the float level for various fuel pressures, including 10 psi. I have run them at 10 psi, zero problem. Since the Edel AFB/AVS fuel inlet system is an exact copy of the Carter, it too can take 10 psi.

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It's a KNOWN FACT that Carter carburetors and their Edelbrock brethren do not like fuel pressure over about 6 PSI. People really need to stop posting dated information, because it's WRONG. You need to lower the fuel pressure. I'd go down to 5- 5 1/2 PSI. 7-8 is way too much. This is based on not only my personal EXPERIENCE, but the EXPERIENCE of pretty much everyone on this forum and elsewhere who've used this style carburetor. Posting 30 year old information that's WRONG doesn't help anyone. Between 5-6 PSI is on the Edelbrock web site, Summit, Jegs, the Edelbrock forums and pretty much any and all other automotive forums everywhere. That's what Edelbrock.....you know.....the people who MAKE the carburetor recommend.
 
It's a KNOWN FACT that Carter carburetors and their Edelbrock brethren do not like fuel pressure over about 6 PSI. People really need to stop posting dated information, because it's WRONG. You need to lower the fuel pressure. I'd go down to 5- 5 1/2 PSI. 7-8 is way too much. This is based on not only my personal EXPERIENCE, but the EXPERIENCE of pretty much everyone on this forum and elsewhere who've used this style carburetor. Posting 30 year old information that's WRONG doesn't help anyone. Between 5-6 PSI is on the Edelbrock web site, Summit, Jegs, the Edelbrock forums and pretty much any and all other automotive forums everywhere. That's what Edelbrock.....you know.....the people who MAKE the carburetor recommend.


Exactly. Its the same with a Holley. They are much happier with 4.5-5.5 psi IF the pump has enough volume to feed it.

Pressure is resistance to flow. We need flow.

One thing to think about is what happens to the flow through the needle and seat when the pressure goes up. You aerate the fuel.
 
Exactly. Its the same with a Holley. They are much happier with 4.5-5.5 psi IF the pump has enough volume to feed it.

Pressure is resistance to flow. We need flow.

One thing to think about is what happens to the flow through the needle and seat when the pressure goes up. You aerate the fuel.
Right. People all too often get caught up with pressure. You can have 2 PSI, but if the volume is there, you got it licked. Conversely, you can have 10 PSI, but without volume, you'll run outta gas goin up a hill.
 
Fuel pressure 100% will bend the tangs for the float on some carbs. Huge problem on the older Jeeps with the inline 6 and the Carter carbs. 6 psi is all it takes with that carb. The needle gets forced back The floats are all the way up and there's no movement left. You can put brand new float and needle and everything in there, and if it's over 4 PSI it does it again less than a month. I've personally witnessed it numerous times.
Agree.
 
The info in post #93 is NOT WRONG. Just because 30 yrs pass by does not change facts. I have run 10 psi at the drags on Carter 4bbl as a way of raising the fuel level slightly.
Comparing the Carter 4bbl float system to the Holley shows COMPLETE IGNORANCE, which is not surprising seeing who the poster is. A side by side comparison of a Carter float & a Holley 4 bbl float will show that the Carter float has MUCH more mech leverage than a H float & will therefore withstand more fuel pressure. Simple physics. The listed FACTORY fuel pressure for the 426 hemi was 6-8 psi.
 
The info in post #93 is NOT WRONG. Just because 30 yrs pass by does not change facts. I have run 10 psi at the drags on Carter 4bbl as a way of raising the fuel level slightly.
Comparing the Carter 4bbl float system to the Holley shows COMPLETE IGNORANCE, which is not surprising seeing who the poster is. A side by side comparison of a Carter float & a Holley 4 bbl float will show that the Carter float has MUCH more mech leverage than a H float & will therefore withstand more fuel pressure. Simple physics. The listed FACTORY fuel pressure for the 426 hemi was 6-8 psi.
blah blah blah boosheet boosheet I caint read what you're typin cause I have my fingers in my ears.
 
The info in post #93 is NOT WRONG. Just because 30 yrs pass by does not change facts. I have run 10 psi at the drags on Carter 4bbl as a way of raising the fuel level slightly.
Comparing the Carter 4bbl float system to the Holley shows COMPLETE IGNORANCE, which is not surprising seeing who the poster is. A side by side comparison of a Carter float & a Holley 4 bbl float will show that the Carter float has MUCH more mech leverage than a H float & will therefore withstand more fuel pressure. Simple physics. The listed FACTORY fuel pressure for the 426 hemi was 6-8 psi.


Really? It’s a float with a needle/seat. It’s the same.

The ratios might not be the same, but any carb that needs over 6 psi to run is wrong.

You do not NEED or WANT that high of fuel pressure just like I explained above.

Obviously down under and on a Pontiac everything is different.
 
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