Nicks Garage 383 build

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stillrunners said:
Not sure why everyone is allways beating up on Nick - are there any other shops/makes putting stuff out there ?
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I don't think anyone is overly beating on him, I like that he does a lot of mopars, but find most of his builds and videos pretty boring.
 
RAMM said:
First off I despise 383's possibly more than the 318. The 383 has no right to call itself a big block. I've built more than a few and they always disappoint. ALWAYS. I've actually been refusing to build them if the customer wants a " stock rebuild, im only cruising, don't care about performance" etc... Because they always lie. When the numbers are in they are always disappointed and ask " Why is the HP so shitty?" And they don't like my answer. "Because you insisted on a stock rebuild and lied about not wanting performance" I always suggest a 431 build or something else..even a small block. Oh and Nick's dyno must be off because any 383bIve built needs headers to get to 349hp. His engine is either amazing "although the TQ numbers don't suggest that" or his dyno is very forgiving. I love his head scratching.....Why is it so low? Because it never made 425tq in the first place. A 383 Chev seriously embarrasses our big block. Oh and anyone saying they had a strong 383 back in the day is delusional or never drove anything faster than a 1984 Dodge Magicwagon. J.Rob
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A lot of 383 engines used in Dodge chassis motor homes. If it can pull a 35' motor home through the mountains of the Canadian Rockies or against a prairie headwind, with all the frontal area and weight, they were a pretty good engine. Maybe not to everyone's standard, but a good reliable engine.
 
RustyRatRod said:
I've never seen any other brand bunch piss all over another of their brand's engines. Even the Chevy guys like them all. The fact is you can make any engine perform well and if you cannot, then something is wrong.
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You have that right Rusty, some just cost more than others.
To a previous post regarding a 383 Mopar or 383Chev, depends on what your application is. As I mention, many motorhomes were built on Dodge chassis with 383 power. A 383 Chev can make the same power as an equivalent Mopar. That said the stroked small block under the high duty cycle loads just will not last as well. There just is not enough meat in the bottom end. The same applies to any other stroked small block. An equivalent displacement big block in the same operating conditions will last longer due to the stronger components.
Build a 383 for a work truck towing a heavy trailer daily, 90% chance the big block will out last the small block every time.
Now in a light car the small block may be a better choice.
 
Dale Davies said:
You have that right Rusty, some just cost more than others.
To a previous post regarding a 383 Mopar or 383Chev, depends on what your application is. As I mention, many motorhomes were built on Dodge chassis with 383 power. A 383 Chev can make the same power as an equivalent Mopar. That said the stroked small block under the high duty cycle loads just will not last as well. There just is not enough meat in the bottom end. The same applies to any other stroked small block. An equivalent displacement big block in the same operating conditions will last longer due to the stronger components.
Build a 383 for a work truck towing a heavy trailer daily, 90% chance the big block will out last the small block every time.
Now in a light car the small block may be a better choice.
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The deep skirted block on the big blocks adds some strength too.
 
Newbomb Turk said:
I get it Ramm.

Customers lie. Always.

Same thing happens here. Guys love to say “I only want *** horsepower” and when it’s all said and done it’s not enough.

It makes it difficult to build engines. You know the end product is going to be disappointing but you build it anyway because J. C. Penney said the customer is always right.

And of course these people will go around and ***** to anyone who will listen about what a pig the engine was.

And then that guy will tell a couple of friends and most likely he will get at least part of the story wrong.

And like VD through a high school locker room this continues on until the whole story is wrong.

I can promise the doubters that Ramm can build a high performance 383 if the customer lets him.

And that is the issue. The customer gets what he wanted and then he’s pissed off.

All he had to do was listen to Ramm but instead they went to forums and such and listen to guys who never had to make a living doing this ****.

Epic rant J.Robb

And 100% fact
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That is the situation where you get it in writing what the customer wants. The more performance they expect, the more the invoice will be. Lay it out in writing and get it signed these days. Years ago you had gentlemen's agreements where it was discussed, agreed on with a hand shake. Today is a different story and a signed contract stipulating the expectations with both parties holding copies is still liable to end up in court.
 
To me the only difference between a 383/440/400 is 0.070"- 0.090" 4.25 vs 4.32 vs 4.34 it ain't that big of a deal for the power most are making.
 
PRH said:
I think you mean”likes” :)
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With Nick's Garage he seems to specialize in restorations. As such the dyno time is checking leaks and tuning to make sure it runs perfectly when installed in the chassis. Yes he fusses with the engines, finds problems and cures those.
 
Dale Davies said:
That is the situation where you get it in writing what the customer wants. The more performance they expect, the more the invoice will be. Lay it out in writing and get it signed these days. Years ago you had gentlemen's agreements where it was discussed, agreed on with a hand shake. Today is a different story and a signed contract stipulating the expectations with both parties holding copies is still liable to end up in court.
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WTF are you talking about? You can put it in writing and that makes a difference how?

The customer will still ***** about it everywhere and any chance they get.

There is a reason why people that get PAID to build engines and have to make their house payment doing it ALWAYS say you’ll want more power because regardless of all the “street” guys populating places like this claiming their 350 hp engine is all they need.

There is a small percentage that will accept that. The rest will ***** because they think it should be faster than it is.

How many threads are on these forums with titles like “help me make more power” or “my **** is pig slow and I need more power?

It happens all the time and I don’t give a single **** what you it on paper, it won’t change a thing.

Ramm knows exactly what he’s talking about. He did it for a living.
 
fishmens67 said:
So they end up with more power than they asked for, right? even if it's just a little more.
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If you give a customer a little more power than they expected for the agreed price you will never get complaints, as long as that bit more is not at the expense of fuel economy.
 
fishmens67 said:
So they end up with more power than they asked for, right? even if it's just a little more.
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You try, but it’s hard to do because every ******* expert everywhere will tell them how junk their stuff is and how smart they are.

Look at this thread. Ramm posted his exact experience and guys are telling him how wrong he is.

I’ve said for decades every engine builder in his area should keep a list of customers with a rating system. I say 0 to 4 stars.

That way, when some dude walks into the shop and you aren’t sure what type of guy he is you can call around and see if other shops have dealt with him.

You could sort out the **** much quicker that way.

I went to work for a guy who I think in the second week I was there was in court over turbo V6 that **** itself several times. And he lost.

So he had me look at the paperwork and see what I thought.

I said why all that compression?? And he says that was the parts he brought in. And when he told the moron that 10:1 on pump gas with 12 pounds of boost would it would eat itself up, he said he could tune it.

Obviously he couldn’t but the judge said as the engine builder he should have built it correctly and gave that to the customer.

That judge should have been hung over that, but I digress.

In the end, when push came to shove he would have me tell the customer why we wouldn’t build his junk **** and I would send them packing.

Fortunately now he does it for himself.

Maybe someday I’ll tell you about the dickhead that called me a liar. My boss heard me threaten to beat his ask if I even saw him in the parking lot ever again.

It didn’t even faze him. He said screw that prick.

Or the time I climbed over the front counter to beat the **** out of some loud mouthed puke who was ******* with the office staff.

If his wife wasn’t kind of in the way I would have got my hands on him. But the prick sure could run fast when he knew his *** was about to get beat.
 
Dale Davies said:
If you give a customer a little more power than they expected for the agreed price you will never get complaints, as long as that bit more is not at the expense of fuel economy.
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clearly you aren’t in the engine building business because you don’t have a clue.

This is why guys like Ramm don’t post much or even at all.


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Newbomb Turk said:
How many threads are on these forums with titles like “help me make more power” or “my **** is pig slow and I need more power?
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Yeah, but most of those guys wouldn't know what an honest 400HP felt like if it slapped umside the head.
 
Dale Davies said:
If you give a customer a little more power than they expected for the agreed price you will never get complaints, as long as that bit more is not at the expense of fuel economy.
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AH-HAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHHAHAHHA HHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*passes out from lack of oxygen*

*wakes up*

what were we talking about again?
 
Newbomb Turk said:
clearly you aren’t in the engine building business because you don’t have a clue.

This is why guys like Ramm don’t post much or even at all.


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I do not run my own shop, but seen the BS from the clowns. You are correct that a piece of paper is not 100% protection, but it does help. When someone wants high compression and boost, it is time to show them the door as they will be trouble every time. Let them build the bomb themselves.
 
Dale Davies said:
I do not run my own shop, but seen the BS from the clowns. You are correct that a piece of paper is not 100% protection, but it does help. When someone wants high compression and boost, it is time to show them the door as they will be trouble every time. Let them build the bomb themselves.
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High compression and boost is just fine, I’ve done it and it makes big power. You just have to convince the owner that it won’t run on junk pump gas and it needs a real fuel, like methanol.
 
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