Ok fellas...318 help needed , Mpg , reliability and enough power ***for a big boat !!!

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Ok ! Sooooo i bought the famous street sleepy Fury , it has a 318 ( not match ) from a 72 scamp+ a 904 , all stock, i have a A999 with a 2800 stall or a nv3500 out of a 5.2 magnum or leave the stock 904 there , 2nd i have a 489 case with sgrip 3.23 for it too , the famous question here , alway had 360s and 340s , but always heard the a 318 is a gem if done correctly , porting stocks heads ? Headers , 4bbl intake and carb, small 440ishh cam ? Let the 2bbl there ?put a dual exhaust , bla bl bla , I dont want a superstock set up , my duster is fun with its 400hp crate..but the big fury needs something respectable to have a bit of sound , performance and at least a bit of economy , not swapping to a big block ahahahah , what would be your set up if it was yours ? Thats the big question to answer !!! *** i have a 5.2 and a 5.9 magnum in the corner of my storage unit..but would love to leave this old LA in there and work it out

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You might want to have this moved, this is the welcome wagon.

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Are you following uncle Tony’s garage mission impossible 318 build up in conjunction with David Vizard on YouTube?

Charles servedio is porting the heads and intake manifold also on YouTube.

Very educational and fun.
 
Ok ! Sooooo i bought the famous street sleepy Fury , it has a 318 ( not match ) from a 72 scamp+ a 904 , all stock, i have a A999 with a 2800 stall or a nv3500 out of a 5.2 magnum or leave the stock 904 there , 2nd i have a 489 case with sgrip 3.23 for it too , the famous question here , alway had 360s and 340s , but always heard the a 318 is a gem if done correctly , porting stocks heads ? Headers , 4bbl intake and carb, small 440ishh cam ? Let the 2bbl there ?put a dual exhaust , bla bl bla , I dont want a superstock set up , my duster is fun with its 400hp crate..but the big fury needs something respectable to have a bit of sound , performance and at least a bit of economy , not swapping to a big block ahahahah , what would be your set up if it was yours ? Thats the big question to answer !!! *** i have a 5.2 and a 5.9 magnum in the corner of my storage unit..but would love to leave this old LA in there and work it out

Nice! A ‘67?

OK! This is my take on (some) power & mileage.
No ported heads, leave them stock.

A performer intake, dual exhaust, headers need not apply.
2-1/2 pipes w/a muffler or your choice.
4bbl, 600 cfm

Recurve the distributor and add a multiple spark box with a starting point of a .050 gap.

A cam under 210@050.
 
Ok ! Sooooo i bought the famous street sleepy Fury , it has a 318 ( not match ) from a 72 scamp+ a 904 , all stock, i have a A999 with a 2800 stall or a nv3500 out of a 5.2 magnum or leave the stock 904 there , 2nd i have a 489 case with sgrip 3.23 for it too , the famous question here , alway had 360s and 340s , but always heard the a 318 is a gem if done correctly , porting stocks heads ? Headers , 4bbl intake and carb, small 440ishh cam ? Let the 2bbl there ?put a dual exhaust , bla bl bla , I dont want a superstock set up , my duster is fun with its 400hp crate..but the big fury needs something respectable to have a bit of sound , performance and at least a bit of economy , not swapping to a big block ahahahah , what would be your set up if it was yours ? Thats the big question to answer !!! *** i have a 5.2 and a 5.9 magnum in the corner of my storage unit..but would love to leave this old LA in there and work it out

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Here's a stock long block 318 xe262h cam 4bbl headers 282hp @ 5000 rpm

318 Long Block Bolt Ons - Tech Articles - Mopar Muscle Magazine
 
@rumblefish360 must have read my mind. I am thinking that if you go for a bit of performance and the sound of performance, good mileage will be a pipe dream. I guess it depends on what your definition of 'decent' is. Build it the way you want, and just accept the mileage.
 
Use the 5.9 to start with. You need the torque with your boat. And if you use a good combination of parts you can achieve some performance and better gas millage. And I'd use the A999. Have a good one.
 
I would pull the heads for no other reason than to get hardened exhaust seats installed and a valve job done. While they're off, I'd have 'em milled just enough to get 'em flat--not looking for a compression bump, just an excellent gasket surface. New valve seals and a set of fresh springs (nothing fancy) would be a good idea while they're off.

I wanted something similar out of my ex-fiancée's '85 Fifth Avenue, pretty close to your car in weight. I installed an Edelbrock 2176 because I had it, and a ThermoQuad from a '77 truck 360 topped with an '84 Gran Fury AHB air cleaner. I'd have preferred a stock spread-bore intake but didn't have one. The rear axle was swapped from the 2.26 geared original to one with 2.94s, and the ESA was ditched for Chrysler electronic ignition using a junkyard harness and a distributor pirated from a '73 340. I replaced the heavy advance spring with a lightweight MP one. I never touched the camshaft or stock exhaust, yet it was a totally different car. It was much quicker than I expected, having driven it before any mods. I really didn't want any more out of it but had I done the cam, I'd have probably used a stock 340 replacement. The 2.94 gear is perfect with an A999, something Chrysler knew when building '80s cop cars. If the car were still around, I'd use Magnum exhaust manifolds (preferably '91-'93) and 2.25" pipes with quiet mufflers. As it was, though, it consistently got ~18MPG if you could keep her foot out of the water pump (not easy--absolute power corrupts absolutely :D).
 
Ok ! Sooooo i bought the famous street sleepy Fury , it has a 318 ( not match ) from a 72 scamp+ a 904 , all stock, i have a A999 with a 2800 stall or a nv3500 out of a 5.2 magnum or leave the stock 904 there , 2nd i have a 489 case with sgrip 3.23 for it too , the famous question here , alway had 360s and 340s , but always heard the a 318 is a gem if done correctly , porting stocks heads ? Headers , 4bbl intake and carb, small 440ishh cam ? Let the 2bbl there ?put a dual exhaust , bla bl bla , I dont want a superstock set up , my duster is fun with its 400hp crate..but the big fury needs something respectable to have a bit of sound , performance and at least a bit of economy , not swapping to a big block ahahahah , what would be your set up if it was yours ? Thats the big question to answer !!! *** i have a 5.2 and a 5.9 magnum in the corner of my storage unit..but would love to leave this old LA in there and work it out

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Makes no difference to me what you do but that thing is bad assed!!!!

If it was mine and it ran I’d tune it up real good, wash it down and drive the hell right out of that thing.

Very VERY cool car.
 
Put an Edelbrock 1406 4 bbl on it and call it a day.

The 2 bbls were economy carbs and the 4 bbl gives the engine the fuel it needs to run
better/stronger, even the tone of the engine deepens up with the 4 bbl swap running on the stock cam.

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Can even do it without switching the intake with the Mr. Gasket adapter, works surprisingly well.

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Advance Auto Parts has them available too.

'69 Satellite stock 318, 727, 2.94 rear gears. Good performance and 20 miles per gallon as done above with the 4 bbl adapter/Edelbrock conversion.

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That thing will probably get better mileage with a stock 383HP than a mild 318. It'll take way more of what the 318 has to move it compared to a larger engine. Volumetric efficiency and all that stuff.
 
If it was mine, I'ma stick-man so the NV 3500 is a no-brainer with the 3.23s. The Dakota ratios are
3.49-2.14-1.38-1.00-.73od .. with splits of
.61-.64-.72-.73 which is two wide ratios followed by two normal ratios.
With the 3.23s your roadgears would be
11.27-6.91-4.46-3.23-2.36.
11.27 is excellent for tall tires.
6.91 is an excellent Second gear
4.46 is an excellent Third for a 318.
3.23 is a nice cruiser at 55=2200, and 65= ~2600
2.36 =65@1900, and 75=2200 again excellent
For best fuel economy you will need to get a stand-alone timing computer, to be able to give the engine the ignition timing it needs at those sub 2400 rpms, which can be in the mid 50s degrees.
Obviously with a Starter of 11.27 she has plenty of First gear torque multiplication, so the engine build is almost a non issue.
Second gear, is also pretty good. a 4bbl and a free-breathing exhaust is all she needs.
Even the 4.46 Third gear is helping the stock 4bbl 318 keep pace, all the way to 90mph@5000rpm.
That 72 La 318 should still be, or might still be, a 9/1 Scr engine, which would allow a cam swap, and so would the 11.27 starter gear. The stocker IIRC was a 240/248/112, .390 lift cam. You could move up to a 252 cam without the bottom-end falling away too fast, but this is not always true with an automatic. You could go 256/260 but afterthat I would make it a solid lifter profile/ tight LSa , to help keep the cylinder pressure up. but by that time, the factory heads are getting to be a choke.
As for fuel economy the 2.36 final drive will work with anything up to about I'm guessing, [email protected]. My guess is mid 20s mpg could be doable on the hiway from point to point, running 65=1900 with maybe 56 or more degrees of timing in a high-compression 318, and using a well-tuned spreadbore.
If your cylinder pressure falls to less than 140psi, forget high 30s
Now, if you had alloy heads and 190psi, that's a whole nuther conversation.

If you want to keep it auto, I would use the A999 gears in the A904 box with the 2800Tc.... unless the LU TC has a higher stall than 2200. the ratios are
2.74-1.54-1.00 the roadgears with the 3.23s are
8.85-4.97-3.23, mathematically but with the TC having an internal hydraulic multiplier, these numbers could be quite a bit higher; from 80% at zero mph to 10% in top gear. This custom combo has no overdrive and with the 2800TC forget fuel economy.
A better choice would be an A500 which is the same as the A999 but with an added .69od, which goes 65=1800, so economy reappears on the table..... again with sufficient ignition timing. The 2200LU TC, if she has one, may render take off slightly lazy, especially with a bigger cam. But a rear-end swap to 3.91s or even, 3.73s would cure that, and bring your cruise rpm closer to the magic 2400,for which the factory Distributor can almost reach ideal cruise timing. OOPs nope, you'll still need the timing computer.
If it was mine and I had to run an auto, on assuming a 9/1 engine, I'd go; A500/3.91s/ LU/ any stall/ Magnum heads/ a solid-lifter cam of from 212 to 218 after lashing and on a 106/108 LSa/ headers optional but not less than 340 logs, dual exhaust, and a spreadbore top-end.
With the 3.91s and 28" tires 65=2100 in LU-od; BadaBoom. If the pressure is over 150psi, then 3.73s for 65=2000, and 75=2300
If it was mine.

But if it was really mine, I'd run alloy heads and 190psi, with a stand-alone programable timing computer, and a [email protected] after lashing, solid lifter cam, on a tight Lsa , and this requires headers for sure, and Ima installing full-length 3inchers, again. lol.
Now we're gonna lay down two long N50-15 tracks for four, five, or maybe six seconds atta crack. Oh wait those won't fit back there. Well then 275/60-15s it would have to be. lol. and five seconds for sure......
The roadgears with the A500/3.91s are;
10.71-6.02-3.91-2.70 which is killer, even with 28s.
but the hick-up is that the A500 will likely not fit in the tunnel without some metal-work. For me, that's not a deal-breaker.

Here's one more combo, which I have run, that I really liked;
A totally stock engine with nothing but a Thermoquad / headers/ an A833 Commando/ A GVod/ and 3.23s
The A833 ratios are 3.09-1.92-1.40-1.00-.78od
I like to run the GVod as a splitter which then gets me Roadgears of: 9.98-7.78-6.20-4.84, which gets me to 86mph @5000 with 88s ...... but the mainbox is still in Second gear, lol. That leaves me with
4.52-3.53-2.52 and 65=1966
Yes eight usable gears but Not one behind the other.
Second-over and Third are so close to eachother that I just pick one or the other depending on circumstance. Same with Third-over and Fourth.
My smogger-teen really liked that with the A833od and the GVod bolted on the back plus 4.30s oh yeah . The Roadgears were;
13.29-10.36-7.18-5.60-4.30-3.35-2.38, yes Seven gears with nice tight splits of
.78-.69-.78-.77-.78-.71, and 65=1860 with the 28s. I gotta tell ya, that low-compression 318 really boogied thru the gears! Total cost was under $3000C back in about 2004ish...... which bought the GVod and 4.30 gears delivered to Walhalla N.Dakota.
BTW this Barracuda with the all cast-iron 318/alloy A833 was ~ 3550 with me not in it. That's not so far from the Fury.
 
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I had a 69 convertible boat for 17 years, hence my id. Stock 318 bottom end, Freshened up the heads with hardened seats, Summit's closest cam to a stock 68 340 cam, edelbrock intake and carb, 2.5 inch duals. 727 and 3.23 gears. Excellent cruiser. Sounded great, driving sensible, 16mpg around town and 21 on long runs.
 
I had a 69 convertible boat for 17 years, hence my id. Stock 318 bottom end, Freshened up the heads with hardened seats, Summit's closest cam to a stock 68 340 cam, edelbrock intake and carb, 2.5 inch duals. 727 and 3.23 gears. Excellent cruiser. Sounded great, driving sensible, 16mpg around town and 21 on long runs.
I bet that car was a lot of fun.
 
@rumblefish360 must have read my mind. I am thinking that if you go for a bit of performance and the sound of performance, good mileage will be a pipe dream. I guess it depends on what your definition of 'decent' is. Build it the way you want, and just accept the mileage.
Thanks brother. I agree with the bold I added to your reply above.
Just what is decent power. Mileage?
Hence my extra small cam size warning.
A cam change that will just simply help increase the rpm in which you are cruising at is the only kind of cam I’d be looking at.

Consider a good spread bore.
I like that idea. TQ only for me. The OP, should he decide for a TQ should source an electric choke TQ. It has the small primary @ 1.38.
 
To start, get a 4 barrel intake on there with a spread bore Carb, TQ or QJ from a dodge truck or van or a Street Demon. Put a straight thru glass pack on the single exhaust. 340 style distributor and electronic ignition, new cap, rotor, Taylor Spiro Pro wires, and platinum plugs. Tune it to the max. Next step would be a cam, valve springs, Viton seals, and a double roller timing chain.
 
Add to the second step change trans fluid, including the torque converter, replace the filter, adjust the bands and make sure the kickdown lever is 3.8 or higher.
 
My 72 Newport stock 400 except for 383 four barrel intake and edelbrock 600 is a nice cruiser gets decent milage for its size and has decent get up and go.
72 400 190 hp / 310 tq
72 318 150 hp / 250 tq

It should be pretty easy to get up to the power that i have.

If it was me i would just throw a moderate cam and four barrel on it and call it a day. If you dont like it, you could always change engines later down the road.
 
Nv3500 would be my choice. For reference, my 03 dakota 3.9v6 with nv3500 3.23 gears 29” tires and weighs 3800 empty, I get 20mpg at 70 all day. A 318 would move my truck around even easier and probably get the same mileage. I’d keep the 318 and put in the nv3500. Stock cam or very small upgrade, 600-670 cfm, headers (short of long tube) 2.5” duals and you’ll cruise and be plenty happy with decent mileage
 
Put an Edelbrock 1406 4 bbl on it and call it a day.

The 2 bbls were economy carbs and the 4 bbl gives the engine the fuel it needs to run
better/stronger, even the tone of the engine deepens up with the 4 bbl swap running on the stock cam.

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Can even do it without switching the intake with the Mr. Gasket adapter, works surprisingly well.

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Advance Auto Parts has them available too.

'69 Satellite stock 318, 727, 2.94 rear gears. Good performance and 20 miles per gallon as done above with the 4 bbl adapter/Edelbrock conversion.

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Really like this idea , i wouldnt mind porting/cleaning a set of heads and intake i have around to install that thing , im pretty sure it helps even on a 2bbl intake, any big difference before and after the swap ?
 
Makes no difference to me what you do but that thing is bad assed!!!!

If it was mine and it ran I’d tune it up real good, wash it down and drive the hell right out of that thing.

Very VERY cool car.
Thx man ahahahah , i have my vision but everybody around me hates it ! Its a lot nicer in person and yes its big but not that big compared to a charger / roadrunner etc , its just fun because its different , fed up of seing the same cars and set ups everywhere ! I really appreciate your support :)
 
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