On the topic of Fender Tags- what if you don't have it?

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Just curious as to the opinion on it. Unfortunately the man who painted my car in 1985 took it off and it was never seen since. Keep in mind it was 1985 so it didn't seem to matter but today is a different time lol.....

Just curious....

JW
 
Check out the Build Sheet under the rear seat.

Do a VIN search, that reveals a lot about the car build.

Then Go, Go, Go . . .

Have Fun

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Having a car with a missing fender tag is OK, it really is.
 
It’s just not a big deal unless you are trying to make a car 100% original.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
Get one made.
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Fakes are easy to spot by those that know how.

Having a fake tag drops any classic cars value even lower than having no tag at all.

Anytime any fake documentation is present with a car, the value drops and the car owner's reputation also takes a serious hit.
 
To the OP, you could have one made like this, any local engraving shop should be able to do it for not much AND it may actually lead to the cars original tag being turned in;

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Alaskan_TA said:
Fakes are easy to spot by those that know how.

Having a fake tag drops any classic cars value even lower than having no tag at all.

Anytime any fake documentation is present with a car, the value drops and the car owner's reputation also takes a serious hit.
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Mine had the fender tag when it was inspected but magically disappeared after it was loaded and sent to Aus , luckily photos were taken on inspection and I had one made but I had to provide a bill of sale & Title to prove that I owned the vehicle. No alterations I just wanted what it come out with from factory . I have proof from photos taken on inspection with a report on the cars condition before purchase.
 
Yeah, the answer is - it depends. A 318 car you put a 360 in, advertise as such and sell for market price - matters little. A slant six B Body someone puts a 426 in and fakes all tags and attempts to pass off as legit - that's likely a felony.
 
Thanks for all the reply's. The back story is when the car was painted in 1985 the body shop removed it and the rest is history. When I got the car in my shop years ago I found it under the backseat. Since it's a numbers matching Drivetrain in the car I wanted to retain it and in the last year it got shuffled. But this thread put my mind to work and it paid off lol....

Thanks,
JW

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It only matters on rare cars. The tag was missing on my Barracuda which was no big deal as it was an original 273 two barrel car that now has a 440. This is the tag I put on it.
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We have the original tag for my son's 440/4sp Dart convertible (it's on my desk next to my keyboard right now), but I had this tag and it fools the "experts" (those who think they know, but we know they don't)

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The build sheet is pure gold. You could have another one made, just be sure to use the correct rosette fasteners for factory appearance.
 
Alaskan_TA said:
Fakes are easy to spot by those that know how.

Having a fake tag drops any classic cars value even lower than having no tag at all.

Anytime any fake documentation is present with a car, the value drops and the car owner's reputation also takes a serious hit.
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I Had a tag made. and then found the original . They looked the same to me . And what difference would it make if the tag reads true.
Some cars have the wrong Vin tag and they sell on line for big dollars by well know car collectors and no one cares. You always have the legal comments but Your lips were sealed on this thread. Sold and he is still selling cars for big dollars on National TV LOL
Nice original 71 340 Duster
 
Oldmanmopar said:
I Had a tag made. and then found the original . They looked the same to me . And what difference would it make if the tag reads true.
Some cars have the wrong Vin tag and they sell on line for big dollars by well know car collectors and no one cares. You always have the legal comments but Your lips were sealed on this thread. Sold and he is still selling cars for big dollars on National TV LOL
Nice original 71 340 Duster
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That is a violation of Federal law, and a shoddy business practice. Just my 2 cents. I reread your post. If you didn't change any of the data, you are not in violation. Selling fender tags, and especially VIN dash numbers is a violation. I apoligize for my inattention. "AlaskanTA" can give you all pertinent advice.
 
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I do have a sense of humor, but I was part of an investigation years ago. It wasn't my car, but the local PD asked my opinion on a Mopar that had obviously had a different fender tag pop riveted on it. I showed them the "hidden" VIN areas the State Patrol told them about. It was a crappy attempt at putting a different fender tag and dash VIN to sell a stolen car with junkyard parts. IIRC, the last Hemi 'Cuda, found in France, was faked, too. They were prepping it for shipping to the US for a high dollar show. The Feds told them it would be seized upon landing in a US port. I'll see if I can find the story. Worthless trivia from an old man with a slipping clutch. For more trivia, look up the Hemi 'Cuda convertible seized in Everett, Washington years ago, and auctioned at BJ for big money. I know, old man stories....
 
70dart340 said:
That is a violation of Federal law, and a shoddy business practice. Just my 2 cents. I reread your post. If you didn't change any of the data, you are not in violation. Selling fender tags, and especially VIN dash numbers is a violation. I apoligize for my inattention. "AlaskanTA" can give you all pertinent advice.
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Shoddy business practice yes but it’s not illegal to reproduce fender tags since they are actually trim tags and not VIN tags. They wouldn’t be just screwed on if they were for identification.
 
I sure wish I could track down mine from my Dart and my Demon... both MIA
 
mcodecuda said:
Shoddy business practice yes but it’s not illegal to reproduce fender tags since they are actually trim tags and not VIN tags. They wouldn’t be just screwed on if they were for identification.
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It also depends on what state we're talking about, and the rules newly made for the late '60's/early '70's. The data plates were also attached with special rosette fasteners, not screws or pop rivets. I would defer to AlaskanTA for clarification, as he run's one fine registration site. No offense was made to anyone. Calling Alaskan TA!
 
I'm 64 years old and haven't seen everything, but I've seen most of it. What I have NEVER seen is a fender tag pop riveted to the inner left front fender with rosette rivets. If you can still find a car that hasn't been messed with at this point, the fender tag is put on with phillips head screws. One of those screws will have paint on it, and that corner of the fender tag will be bent diagonal across the same corner as that painted screw. The other screw will be bare or rusty because it was put on after the car was painted. The fender tags were usually screwed down with the left screw, then pried up to where they stood up to allow the bottom of the tag and the space under it to be painted. After paint, and probably down the line, the fender tag was mashed back down and the second screw was installed in the other hole in the tag....with no paint on it. They could not have achieved that same result in the time allotted to do it using rivets.
 
JDMopar said:
I'm 64 years old and haven't seen everything, but I've seen most of it. What I have NEVER seen is a fender tag pop riveted to the inner left front fender with rosette rivets. If you can still find a car that hasn't been messed with at this point, the fender tag is put on with phillips head screws. One of those screws will have paint on it, and that corner of the fender tag will be bent diagonal across the same corner as that painted screw. The other screw will be bare or rusty because it was put on after the car was painted. The fender tags were usually screwed down with the left screw, then pried up to where they stood up to allow the bottom of the tag and the space under it to be painted. After paint, and probably down the line, the fender tag was mashed back down and the second screw was installed in the other hole in the tag....with no paint on it. They could not have achieved that same result in the time allotted to do it using rivets.[/QUOT. I’ve seen a lot of guys use rivets these days as people steel them. Just plain rivets though. But I’ve seen a lot of tag jobs in my days. The good jobs can fool the best as I’ve seen experts buy them. And you know what these big name do with them when(if) they figure them out. Sell them and don’t reveal the info they obtained. So they are crooks also.
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@LO23M8B I have a 70 Challenger A66 car (340) that is all numbers matching, and most of the date codes on the bolt on do dads are correct. I have a fender tag but not a build sheet, and have owned it since 79. When I fix that one, I will do exactly like you said above, and get a reproduction fender tag made to match the real one. Since I don't have a build sheet, I don't want to risk having some sticky fingered bastage with a phillips screwdriver stealing my original tag. The older I get, the more I'd rather build a hot rodded up old Mopar that I couldn't care less about all the numbers crap or if it looks original. Just get in it and.....

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