Opinions on windage screen

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MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Thus losing less power.
And dynos don't simulate the g force and slosh.
Without individual testing AND in a broad range of circumstances...its hoping at best, to each his own...and application.
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Sooo, a windage tray gains zero power on the street car when driving?
A crank scraper gains no power on a race engine when racing?
A deep oil pan has no advantage on a driving engine?

You do realize your the only person I have ever seen say such things ever.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Sooo, a windage tray gains zero power on the street car when driving?
A crank scraper gains no power on a race engine when racing?
A deep oil pan has no advantage on a driving engine?

You do realize your the only person I have ever seen say such things ever.
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Getting it right every time for every type of app. That's one off. Do you understand what I'm saying ? All can unleash, but they take shifts...and sometimes they're short on employees and lack management...
 
No I don’t because the gains listed have been documented, tested and proven over and over for the last 50 years.
 
It’s been proven effective and holds true on grandma’s daily driver to racing cars.
 
I get what MOPAROFFICIAL is getting at. Some of these things work better in certain circumstances and operating conditions.
 
skrews said:
I get what MOPAROFFICIAL is getting at. Some of these things work better in certain circumstances and operating conditions.
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I see, I get that... yup. As mentioned in my post prior with the 1 + 1 + 1..... The way I’m reading him is not in the same fashion. I see him dismissing much of history’s proven work.
 
skrews said:
I get what MOPAROFFICIAL is getting at. Some of these things work better in certain circumstances and operating conditions.
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Yeah, I get what he’s saying. The ROUGH numbers I threw out there would be more accurate for a build such as yours, not some milquetoast deal that wouldn’t see the high side of 4000.
 
Not my first windage tray, but the second factory I ever saw in this brand and the first on something I am building. Good ideas here.

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skrews said:
Its a Milodon 32255 for a SB Chevy thats been modified. The mounting holes just need elongated and the rear area by the oil pump cut off to fit. The one in my pics has been further cut up.
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Thanks I will look into that one.
 
I was talking to Milodon yesterday on something else and I mentioned the 32255 tray...it, and most others, are out of stock due to supply shortages on the screen material. China strikes again...

As for the dyno oil pan/tray discussion, the point in you can see gains on a dyno that disappear when you actually apply the 'trick' to a running, driving car. You can also see gains on a dyno that can't be applied at all to a driving vehicle. A good example of this is headers that pick up 15HP but won't fit any chassis.
 
gregcon said:
I was talking to Milodon yesterday on something else and I mentioned the 32255 tray...it, and most others, are out of stock due to supply shortages on the screen material. China strikes again...

As for the dyno oil pan/tray discussion, the point in you can see gains on a dyno that disappear when you actually apply the 'trick' to a running, driving car. You can also see gains on a dyno that can't be applied at all to a driving vehicle. A good example of this is headers that pick up 15HP but won't fit any chassis.
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Exactly. That’s why you have to dyno with the stuff you run, not dyno stuff.

The dyno will show you what oil control CAN do. As you point out, making that happen in the car is a difficult proposition.
 
Did the Direct Connection program have access to a dyno? If so when?
My impression has always been DC worked closely with the corporate supported racers, and development was mostly based on track results in Stock and Super Stock.

Screen. Go to your local metal supplier for 'expanded sheet metal - non-flattened'. There will likely be some choices in thickness (gage) and openings. At the time I just picked the one that looked right.
 
The simple fact is DC was a pretty small budget outfit with limited resources, dyno or not.

Stef's sells a louvered screen Part Number 9805...I have a piece someplace around here. I don't recall the exact type of steel it is but I suspect it would fall into the expanded non-flattened (AKA 'raised') category. It's Teflon coated,too, which is nice.
 
I just used the canton build it yourself windage tray kit. Just used the mesh.

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rumblefish360 said:
I see, I get that... yup. As mentioned in my post prior with the 1 + 1 + 1..... The way I’m reading him is not in the same fashion. I see him dismissing much of history’s proven work.
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When it comes to windage/parasitic drag..you're misleading by saying that you're making more power. You're not, it was always there. When you correct a fkd up pinion driveline angle and all the sudden launch harder and lower you 60's...are you making more power? When you lighten the car and run a lower et...are you making more power? No.
Ever swim fully clothed...? Some things are confused or misrepresented by a single word.
You are 'freeing up' , ridding drag.
Yield, unleash, free up..but you're not "making" anything. Nothings changed in the mechanics or induction... you're just not swimming with your clothes on anymore.
That's what I'm saying.
Carry on.
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
When it comes to windage/parasitic drag..you're misleading by saying that you're making more power. You're not, it was always there. When you correct a fkd up pinion driveline angle and all the sudden launch harder and lower you 60's...are you making more power? No. Ever swim fully clothed...? Some things are confused or misrepresented by a single word.
You are 'freeing up' , ridding drag.
Yield, unleash, free up..but you're not "making" anything. Nothings changed in the mechanics or induction... you're just not swimming with your clothes on anymore.
Carry on.
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I disagree. The power wasn’t there because of the issue. Getting rid of the issue frees up what should be there or releases the full (Or more of the) potential. If the potential is hampered by an issue, then it was never there.
 
rumblefish360 said:
I disagree. The power wasn’t there because of the issue. Getting rid of the issue frees up what should be there or releases the full (Or more of the) potential. If the potential is hampered by an issue, then it was never there.
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It's not the same as adding heads or headers.
You need to think about it harder.

I thought you could have understood the swimming with clothes on idea because if you take the clothes off and then swim and swim faster did you all the sudden become a stronger swimmer. No.You didn't.nothing changed but the weight and drag of the clothes, you're still the same you.

Take a motor from a 9 sec car and drop in your 76 cordoba and go 14's...does the motor make less power, no... try and wrap your mind around the simple concept. I know you can.
 
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It's really an issue of semantics, but it's not especially accurate to say that when you eliminate a parasitic loss, you are uncovering power that was there all along. The power isn't produced until it's produced. When you reduce windage, you are now capable of sending more power out the crank flange, if the car 'asks' for it. But it's not like there was actual horsepower running around inside the engine. To look at it another way, horsepower is measured at the the crankshaft flange....so if the power never makes it there, it doesn't count. The pistons mighta 'made' it, but it never made it to the point of measurement. It's like a bartender drinking the booze he's supposed to be selling.
 
gregcon said:
It's really an issue of semantics, but it's not especially accurate to say that when you eliminate a parasitic loss, you are uncovering power that was there all along. The power isn't produced until it's produced. When you reduce windage, you are now capable of sending more power out the crank flange, if the car 'asks' for it. But it's not like there was actual horsepower running around inside the engine. To look at it another way, horsepower is measured at the the crankshaft flange....so if the power never makes it there, it doesn't count. The pistons mighta 'made' it, but it never made it to the point of measurement. It's like a bartender drinking the booze he's supposed to be selling.
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doesn't correlate , he still pays for it.
The oil drag is robbing existing power. Period.

The thread has a couple hung up.

Some things DO add power/make power...others are just removing whats in the way. Lighten the car, make a spoiler, wear speedos...lmao.. too stuck up on a habit of saying it makes more power, by god , get over it. Too simple and yet so unacceptable by a couple that all they wanna do is keep trying to prove it wrong.

So.. when you run with a tailwind and go faster at the track, do you likewise claim you're making more power? lol @ the both of you. Unreal.
 
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