Yep just checking all my options and I appreciate all the responses,I keep going back to the old day's thou,Man super stocks and pinion snubber worked for a long time but i realize we are in 2013 and products have developed,I'm not afraid to look at ALL rear suspensions,Ladder bars intrigue me because it seems your welding the cross bar and welding the brackets to the axle tubes and shock brackets to the frame,Welding we can do it's just the set-up I guess and it seems ladder bars can be cost effective--Steve