Rebuilt 302 casting heads available through Rockauto

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Wow ! Almost 1600 views on these absolutely worthless '302 , crack prone, low flow, shrouded valve, miniscule heads. I almost want to put a 318 together with some '678's and swap heads on the dyno to '302's and then some variant of the Magnum. Maybe I could help squash the myth of the '302. It might be worth the effort. J.Rob
 
Wow ! Almost 1600 views on these absolutely worthless '302 , crack prone, low flow, shrouded valve, miniscule heads. I almost want to put a 318 together with some '678's and swap heads on the dyno to '302's and then some variant of the Magnum. Maybe I could help squash the myth of the '302. It might be worth the effort. J.Rob
Do it. We would love to see the results!
 
Wow ! Almost 1600 views on these absolutely worthless '302 , crack prone, low flow, shrouded valve, miniscule heads. I almost want to put a 318 together with some '678's and swap heads on the dyno to '302's and then some variant of the Magnum. Maybe I could help squash the myth of the '302. It might be worth the effort. J.Rob
The 302's aren't the most powerful head you can put on a teen but for a stock piston, converted to 4 barrel, with manifolds and dual exhaust, stock cam or may be a little bigger than stock, they are a good choice. Much better than the open chamber 675's that came on most every 318 from 68 on up. Nothing wrong with hardened seats either.
 
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From what I have seen, 64-67 273 heads flow better stock. The ported 302 heads have more flow potential, but have other issues, see post #76. I have 2 sets of 302's but all my engines are running 273 heads or J heads. They will stay that way. All are very old street builds.
 
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I couldn't find any 273 heads close to me and I don't think magnum heads work on an LA engine, do they? Who rebuilds 273 heads for a good price? Rebuilt 302s being available is the big news for those of us looking for a reasonably priced build of a 273 or 318. Getting my 675's rebuilt would have cost more and left me with lower compression. I'll even venture that I might be able to use 87 octane with the 302's.
At least that's my story.
 
I couldn't find any 273 heads close to me and I don't think magnum heads work on an LA engine, do they? Who rebuilds 273 heads for a good price? Rebuilt 302s being available is the big news for those of us looking for a reasonably priced build of a 273 or 318. Getting my 675's rebuilt would have cost more and left me with lower compression. I'll even venture that I might be able to use 87 octane with the 302's.
At least that's my story.
Magnum heads do work on LA's. The valves are bigger and might not like 273's small bores. I don't know for sure. I haven't heard of anyone putting Magnums on 273's. There's other things to change to make them work though. Magnum rockers oil through the pushrods so you need different lifters (on a hydraulic cam), pushrods and the like. The intakes bolt differently as well so you will need a different intake. It can get pretty spendy if you are on a budget.
 
From what I have seen, 64-67 273 heads flow better stock. The ported 302 heads have more flow potential, but have other issues, see post #76. I have 2 sets of 302's but all my engines are running 273 heads or J heads. They will stay that way. All are very old street builds.

What about a set of 920 heads ported with 360 1.88" and 1.60" valves??? Those should match up well to the ported 302's...

I'm building a 318 with a set of those....
 
What about a set of 920 heads ported with 360 1.88" and 1.60" valves??? Those should match up well to the ported 302's...

I'm building a 318 with a set of those....
I have a set of 920's ready to roll and a pair of 302's that need gone through. Either pair would be good for my 70 teen. I should just build the roller cam teen I have laying in the corner. LOL
 
I have a set of 920's ready to roll and a pair of 302's that need gone through. Either pair would be good for my 70 teen. I should just build the roller cam teen I have laying in the corner. LOL

I have two more sets of 920's that I need going through...
 
Magnum heads do work on LA's. The valves are bigger and might not like 273's small bores. I don't know for sure.
FWIW..... I did some work on this..... and your supposition is right. With the standard valve spacing and the Magnum valve diameters, the spread across width of the valves is 3.635"..... a bit larger than the standard 273 bore. And since the valves initial enter the bore not quite at the full width of the bore, then its almost certain to need some notching even with an overbore of .030" or .040" ... and then you run into the issue of limited lift before the bore notch gets into the top ring travel in the bore. So.... not without some work and limitations, or a big overbore and offsetting the bores towards the intake side.

FWIW #2, here is a 2.02" intake mocked up on a standard bore 273 block; a piece of white paper with a 2.02" diameter was centered and glued on a standard valve; you can see how much it interferes.

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What about a set of 920 heads ported with 360 1.88" and 1.60" valves??? Those should match up well to the ported 302's...

I'm building a 318 with a set of those....

Here is some real data, theory and track time. See post #47. The 273 heads were 1966 castings, with 1.78 intakes and 1.50 exhaust valves. The 66 273 heads are flowing just shy of small valve "J" heads. Pretty interesting... 302 heads
 
Magnum heads do work on LA's. The valves are bigger and might not like 273's small bores. I don't know for sure. I haven't heard of anyone putting Magnums on 273's. There's other things to change to make them work though. Magnum rockers oil through the pushrods so you need different lifters (on a hydraulic cam), pushrods and the like. The intakes bolt differently as well so you will need a different intake. It can get pretty spendy if you are on a budget.

I have run 1.88 intake and 1.60 "J" heads on a +.040 273 and they just clear. I would not try Magnum heads without adding intake clearance notches to top of the bores.
 
I know some of you might scoff at the article but many years ago Hot Rod built a 400 horse 318. Guess what heads they used? #302's. Now I don't give a damn if there's better heads out there. There are, but these heads aren't a bad choice for a mild street 273 or 318. Now they did grind on those heads to make them better like most would do to any head. There's some highlights.

Compression
An inspection revealed the stock pistons to be 0.058 below the uncut factory decks, so the first order of business was to consider the cylinder head possibilities to deliver some compression. With the small cubes and excessive deck clearance, our 318’s compression ratio with junkyard 360 heads would fall to the kerosene-burning range of 8.0:1. We needed heads with two criteria: ready availability and small chamber volumes. The ’85-and-up swirl-port 318 two-barrel heads (casting number 302) filled the bill on both counts; they come stock with modern, heart-shaped, 59cc chambers and are commonly available on such exotica as ’85-’91 318-two-barrel-equipped Chrysler Fifth Avenues, Diplomats, Grand Furys, pickups, and vans. With large, flat Milodon valves filling the chambers, plus a 0.050 cut on the mill, our final chamber volume was reduced to a compact 52cc, bringing the compression ratio to a whisker under 10.0:1 when combined with thin head gaskets from Mopar Performance (PN P4349557).

Cheap Head Flow
The milled No. 302 heads offer compression on the cheap, but fall short on the flow side of the equation. These heads carry the common 318/two-barrel valve sizes of 1.78/1.50-inch and in stock trim flow about 135 cfm stock on the intake side. Our plan was to find flow by porting the heads and upping the valve diameter to 2.02/1.60 with a set of Milodon street valves. The valve spacing on all small-block Mopars is the same, so these valves will fit in the 302 castings the same as with any 318/340/360 heads. Valve shrouding isn’t any more of an issue than with other small-block Mopar heads, since as part of the valvejob the chambers were cut concentric to the valve out to near the line of a Fel-Pro gasket. This makes the chamber quite a bit wider than the 318’s stock 3.91-inch bore in the area adjacent to the valve. To address this, the bores were chamfered (notched) to minimize shrouding by the shelf left where the chamber meets the bore. Contrary to popular misconception, 2.02-inch intake valves fit the 318’s bores without a problem; in fact 2.08-inch intake valves won’t hit.

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The intake port runners were opened to a 360 gasket size, quite an enlargement from the stock 318 dimension. This move allows the runners to mate nicely with a performance intake manifold (which are typically based on the larger 360 port dimension) or to a stock 360 intake. The exhaust runners were opened to the dimension of a Fel-Pro header gasket. At the other end of the passages, the seat area was prepped with a Serdi-machined cut of the chambers out toward the head gasket line to minimize chamber shrouding of the valve. The oversized seat form was cut, along with a 75-degree bottom cut, which greatly opened the port bowls. After machining, the hand-porting involved blending the machined cuts into the as-cast bowls, streamlining the valveguide bosses, then blending and widening the short turn to a smoothly rolled form from the port floor to the valveseat, eliminating the various factory humps in the corners of the turn. The fully ported No. 302 heads with larger valves installed showed an intake flow improvement of nearly 60 percent to a respectable 215 cfm at a peak of 0.500 lift.

Are these low-buck heads? Getta grinder and learn to use it, and the answer is yes. There’s no such thing as a free lunch; sometimes the trade is time and effort for cubic dollars.
 
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I know some of you might scoff at the article but many years ago Hot Rod built a 400 horse 318. Guess what heads they used? #302's. Now I don't give a damn if there's better heads out there. There are, but these heads aren't a bad choice for a mild street 273 or 318. Now they did grind on those heads to make them better like most would do to any head. There's some highlights.

Compression
An inspection revealed the stock pistons to be 0.058 below the uncut factory decks, so the first order of business was to consider the cylinder head possibilities to deliver some compression. With the small cubes and excessive deck clearance, our 318’s compression ratio with junkyard 360 heads would fall to the kerosene-burning range of 8.0:1. We needed heads with two criteria: ready availability and small chamber volumes. The ’85-and-up swirl-port 318 two-barrel heads (casting number 302) filled the bill on both counts; they come stock with modern, heart-shaped, 59cc chambers and are commonly available on such exotica as ’85-’91 318-two-barrel-equipped Chrysler Fifth Avenues, Diplomats, Grand Furys, pickups, and vans. With large, flat Milodon valves filling the chambers, plus a 0.050 cut on the mill, our final chamber volume was reduced to a compact 52cc, bringing the compression ratio to a whisker under 10.0:1 when combined with thin head gaskets from Mopar Performance (PN P4349557).

Cheap Head Flow
The milled No. 302 heads offer compression on the cheap, but fall short on the flow side of the equation. These heads carry the common 318/two-barrel valve sizes of 1.78/1.50-inch and in stock trim flow about 135 cfm stock on the intake side. Our plan was to find flow by porting the heads and upping the valve diameter to 2.02/1.60 with a set of Milodon street valves. The valve spacing on all small-block Mopars is the same, so these valves will fit in the 302 castings the same as with any 318/340/360 heads. Valve shrouding isn’t any more of an issue than with other small-block Mopar heads, since as part of the valvejob the chambers were cut concentric to the valve out to near the line of a Fel-Pro gasket. This makes the chamber quite a bit wider than the 318’s stock 3.91-inch bore in the area adjacent to the valve. To address this, the bores were chamfered (notched) to minimize shrouding by the shelf left where the chamber meets the bore. Contrary to popular misconception, 2.02-inch intake valves fit the 318’s bores without a problem; in fact 2.08-inch intake valves won’t hit.

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The intake port runners were opened to a 360 gasket size, quite an enlargement from the stock 318 dimension. This move allows the runners to mate nicely with a performance intake manifold (which are typically based on the larger 360 port dimension) or to a stock 360 intake. The exhaust runners were opened to the dimension of a Fel-Pro header gasket. At the other end of the passages, the seat area was prepped with a Serdi-machined cut of the chambers out toward the head gasket line to minimize chamber shrouding of the valve. The oversized seat form was cut, along with a 75-degree bottom cut, which greatly opened the port bowls. After machining, the hand-porting involved blending the machined cuts into the as-cast bowls, streamlining the valveguide bosses, then blending and widening the short turn to a smoothly rolled form from the port floor to the valveseat, eliminating the various factory humps in the corners of the turn. The fully ported No. 302 heads with larger valves installed showed an intake flow improvement of nearly 60 percent to a respectable 215 cfm at a peak of 0.500 lift.

Are these low-buck heads? Getta grinder and learn to use it, and the answer is yes. There’s no such thing as a free lunch; sometimes the trade is time and effort for cubic dollars.

I thought some one in the "know" said those heads did not even survive the dyno runs. However the 302 heads do have a place as mentioned previously. Drag racing is very different from road racing or the street.
 
Here is an interesting 273 build using EQ magnum heads. 360 HP and 355 ft lb of torque, naturally aspirated with a small cam. The ********. Part 1.
Where is the dyno sheet? I couldn't find it. I call Bull **** with a NA 273 and that cam and I don't care what heads you put on it. Really? you believe that? Sorry I don't want to get in a pissin match here about 273's or #302 heads.
 
I thought some one in the "know" said those heads did not even survive the dyno runs. However the 302 heads do have a place as mentioned previously. Drag racing is very different from road racing or the street.
And no one here started wanting a maximum horsepower 273 or 318. That's not what 302 heads are all about.
 
I could not find it either. I'm cool with you throwing the BS flag. Having run J heads with a 71 340 TQ on a 273, I'm curious and not ready to throw my own flag yet. I always look for the vested interest. I thought it was interesting in the other article that they thought Shady Dells flow numbers were a little "Happy" when they ran their own flow numbers. BS usually makes itself known in time if you know what to look for and keep sniffing.
 
I could not find it either. I'm cool with you throwing the BS flag. Having run J heads with a 71 340 TQ on a 273, I'm curious and not ready to throw my own flag yet. I always look for the vested interest. I thought it was interesting in the other article that they thought Shady Dells flow numbers were a little "Happy" when they ran their own flow numbers. BS usually makes itself known in time if you know what to look for and keep sniffing.
I found it interesting that the article was titled The ******** and they stated they were building a 273 with the hope of some forced induction. All of a sudden there were big numbers, no info about the pressure cooker used, or actual dyno sheets. That's why I called BS. LOL
 
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