SCUMBAG ALERT! TURBOVAN Phoenix.

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turbovan said:
No, I did not get all my money back.
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You did get all your money back for rocker arms. 180$. Keep that shafts, you spent the last 24 hrs defending yourself into a corner and suddenly you dont like it? I bought a set from a local friend. Enjoy them.

J.
 
Nothing like watching your friends ,and even customers, take turns kicking each other in the balls.

Holy **** this already brewing and stewing right here. I know 'or at least im pretty sure I know' the characters of all involved and or commenting...some previous and other just by this thread, so this is classic....
Definitely gonna start my drinking early today

Good luck everyone involved!
 
xLURKxDOGx said:
You did get all your money back for rocker arms. 180$. Keep that shafts, you spent the last 24 hrs defending yourself into a corner and suddenly you dont like it? I bought a set from a local friend. Enjoy them.

J.
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Defending myself into a corner? You put me on the chopping block, and now you’re complaining that I’m defending myself?

Your refusal to see anybody’s point but your own shows more of your character than 100 forum members. You tried to sell me junk. You’re defense of that fact has relied on name calling and personal attacks. What a joke.

I’m offering to return the parts based on my understanding that I’m not 100% right, and am doing my very best to see it from your point of view. If you want them let me know. If you don’t then stop clawing for sympathy. This is ridiculous. I’m done.
 
A bit of a **** show to be sure, but I for one can see both sides. I will say that if I bought a set of rocker arms as a "set" and they were different ratios I think I would be a bit pissed off. It seems to me that both sides of this feels wronged and thus have dug in, however Turbovan appears willing to wipe the slate clean and undue the deal completely which is probably the best course of action here.

I have bought plenty of used parts over the years as I am sure all of you have, not much worse than buying something only to find out it isn't what you thought it was, especially if you are buying it when you need it. Likewise, as a seller of used stuff, many buyers seem to think they are getting brand new pristine parts for 1/3rd of the price and then complain. I have lots of parts, don't sell anything because I do not want to deal with jackasses, likewise I seldom buy used parts because I don't like getting screwed; sure there are deals out there but way too many people advertising things that are not what they say they are. I'd rather pay retail for new stuff than deal with people.
 
70chall440 this is exactly how I see this one. And I see emotions on both sides and justified shots fired in the air on both sides. This is all parts of buying and selling used parts.....

I drove 3 hours today and purchased a 360 long block. did I get exactly what the Ad stated and my texting from the seller showed? Nope. However there were also a couple of nice upgrades I got that he have quite right in the Ad. Clarification on one thing and we had a deal. It's used parts plain and simple. I made a friend and would not hesitate to buy from him again.

Both parties need to just find the fix and move on. This is not alot of money. Selling used is a risk. Buying used is a risk. Just work it out. I am sure it can be accomplished through PM'ing.....

Good luck,
JW
 
Just have a duel.

Survivor keeps mixed up damaged parts and any money difference.

In any case of a both dying...split the crap up 50/50 and bury each with their half.
 
Shafts were so bad he had to keep them.. lol
Thats logical...

The texting was a mess.
I don't see either coming out unscathed in this.
 
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MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Shafts were so bad he had to keep them.. lol
Thats logical...

The texting was a mess.
I don't see either coming out unscathed in this.
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Its over. He got his money and the shafts. That what i love about guys who wont use their phone numbers, too afraid that being a piece of **** might end up bad for them. If i wanted to get over on people i would meet people with parts somewhere i dont live and not my house. I told him at the time of purchase they were 1.5/1.6 and it was my error but didnt realize they werent split down the middle. I told him i would get him others to make up for it but that wasnt the resolution he wanted, and actully the resolution he wanted is what he got. Parts and money, a real steal.
 
turbovan said:
Awwww poor Jake. Everybody look how screwed he got. Hold his hand! Tell him it will be ok. Give him all the validation his mother never did. Tell him how he did a good job getting your parts and he’s such a good little boy.

Jake the victim. Poor...poor Jake.

This isn’t about a phone number either, cupcake.

You owed me parts, I had some of yours. You lost my parts, I didn’t want to give you yours back because that didn’t seem fair to me. I’m offering to give them back EVEN THOUGH YOU STILL OWE ME LOCKS* SPRINGS* and RETAINERS* and now poor Jake doesn’t want them because that isn’t what he really wants. Someone tell this boy it will all be ok for gods sake! He’s suffering!
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time out here, I don't have an iron in the fire here, not taking sides but im confused. He refunded the 380 bucks right? the full amount? you returned some of the parts, but got a full refund? If that is correct, then he owes you nada, nothing. If gave you a full refund, the missing parts do not matter, period, except for the ones you failed to return.
 
dukeboy_318 said:
time out here, I don't have an iron in the fire here, not taking sides but im confused. He refunded the 380 bucks right? the full amount? you returned some of the parts, but got a full refund? If that is correct, then he owes you nada, nothing. If gave you a full refund, the missing parts do not matter, period, except for the ones you failed to return.
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Negative. He returned $180.

And I wrote and deleted that too slowly it would seem.
 
turbovan said:
Yes, but have repeatedly attempted to return the shafts.
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ok, follow me here, make sure im correct.

per your own screenshot, below, you agreed on 200 for the heads. 180 for the rockers and shaft, 20 for the valve covers. I see zero mention of any agreed price on the retainers and such, so assuming those weren't paid for, but you returned just the rockers, kept the valve covers (20$) and the shafts, worth at least 1/3 of the price of the rockers and shaft combo, or 60 bucks. so 400- 20 (vc) -180(refund)- 60 (none returned shafts)= 140. So for 140 bucks, you got heads, valve covers and shafts. When you agreed to pay 200 for just the heads?
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dukeboy_318 said:
ok, follow me here, make sure im correct.

per your own screenshot, below, you agreed on 200 for the heads. 180 for the rockers and shaft, 20 for the valve covers. I see zero mention of any agreed price on the retainers and such, so assuming those weren't paid for, but you returned just the rockers, kept the valve covers (20$) and the shafts, worth at least 1/3 of the price of the rockers and shaft combo, or 60 bucks. so 400- 20 (vc) -180(refund)- 60 (none returned shafts)= 140. So for 140 bucks, you got heads, valve covers and shafts. When you agreed to pay 200 for just the heads?
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Although I agree with your math I don’t agree with the value of the locks springs and retainers being left out. As you can see from the other messages the valve train was intended to be included with the heads.

But again this is where a difference of opinion comes into play, and why I keep trying to give him the damn shafts back.
 
turbovan said:
Although I agree with your math I don’t agree with the value of the locks springs and retainers being left out. As you can see from the other messages the valve train was intended to be included with the heads.

But again this is where a difference of opinion comes into play, and why I keep trying to give him the damn shafts back.
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well to be frank, i think there's several messages deleted or missing. No where do you discuss anything about the locks, retainers etc being part of the 400 in those screenshots. so no one can, including yourself in all actuality, state those were part of the 400 dollar deal, at least based on the evidence at hand. We have no evidence you paid anything for those items.

We DO know however, the shafts and rockers were both part of the 180 buck deal, so to be honest, you keeping the shafts with the guise of equating them to the value of the locks, retainers etc, is actually, ripping off the seller when he refunded you the 180. Had it been me, you wouldn't have gotten the full 180 until i got the full amounts of parts back.

again, im not taking sides, but that is how it looks to me, as someone on the outside looking in.
 
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dukeboy_318 said:
well to be frank, i think there's several messages deleted or missing. No where do you discuss anything about the locks, retainers etc being part of the 400 in those screenshots. so no one can, including yourself in all actuality, state those were part of the 400 dollar deal, at least based on the evidence at hand. We have no evidence you paid anything for those items.

We DO know however, the shafts and rockers were both part of the 180 buck deal, so to be honest, you keeping the shafts with the guise of equating them to the value of the locks, retainers etc, is actually, ripping off the seller when we refunded you the 180. Had it been me, you wouldn't have gotten the full 180 until i got the full amounts of parts back.

again, im not taking sides, but that is how it looks to me, as someone on the outside looking in.
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Screenshots are 100% accurate, but I understand the reasoning behind the allegation. The locks springs and retainers were listed on his add on offerup. The missing subtext was discussed in person and I would arrive at the same thought in your position.

Jake won’t respond to me so I can’t return the shafts to him in person, nor do I believe that would be a good choice at this point.

I’m pretty much at the point where I feel the need to mail them.
 
turbovan said:
Screenshots are 100% accurate, but I understand the reasoning behind the allegation. The locks springs and retainers were listed on his add on offerup. The missing subtext was discussed in person and I would arrive at the same thought in your position.

Jake won’t respond to me so I can’t return the shafts to him in person, nor do I believe that would be a good choice at this point.

I’m pretty much at the point where I feel the need to mail them.
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well, you're trying to make it right, so i'll give you some credit there. At this point, I would do exactly that, mail them back. make him sign for him on delivery. Ball would be in his court at that point, he'd owe you nothing more, you'd owe him nothing and you two can go separate ways.
 
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