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toolmanmike said:
Yep. The radiators are gone in the whole house except for one in the basement, the bathroom on the main floor. and on the staircase landing. I like radiators. They really hold the heat.
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Its funny the people with warm air furnaces want radiators and the people with radiators want warm air furnaces.
Grew up with steam heat and have warm air gravity in this house now. Both are little nicer with some water to add humidity.
I think hot water is a little better controlled using modern thermostats (ie on/off flame control vs managing a coal fire).
 
Mattax said:
Its funny the people with warm air furnaces want radiators and the people with radiators want warm air furnaces.
Grew up with steam heat and have warm air gravity in this house now. Both are little nicer with some water to add humidity.
I think hot water is a little better controlled using modern thermostats (ie on/off flame control vs managing a coal fire).
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The original 1889 boiler steam radiator system in our old Victorian house near Widener University was converted to a gas fired burner in the 1970s and it was still working great when we sold the house in 1990. Water feed system was converted to an automatic float valve when we lived there so no more periodic checking of the sight glass and turning valves to keep the water level right.

3800 sq ft of living space with 18 rooms on 3 floors being heated by 17 radiators. It was very efficient and worked well.
 
Ddaddy said:
Except it can’t. Each radiator is individually vented with a pressure relief valve in addition to the one on the boiler, so overpressure on the main boiler will never occur. Steam radiator systems are low pressure for heating..not like a high pressure steam locomotive or ship boiler for generating power for movement.

Worst it will do is run out of water for steam.
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Only steam heating I know about was in the Navy. And believe me, those could blow sky high!!!
 
Ddaddy said:
The original 1889 boiler steam radiator system in our old Victorian house near Widener University was converted to a gas fired burner in the 1970s and it was still working great when we sold the house in 1990. Water feed system was converted to an automatic float valve when we lived there so no more periodic checking of the sight glass and turning valves to keep the water level right.

3800 sq ft of living space with 18 rooms on 3 floors being heated by 17 radiators. It was very efficient and worked well.
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Nice!
That's the first decade of relatively widespread use of steam radiators in houses. I assume the radiators had some sort decorative designs cast into them?
 
Mattax said:
Its funny the people with warm air furnaces want radiators and the people with radiators want warm air furnaces.
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I have both. And a wood stove. Radiators are just baseboard though. Not like the cast iron ones. Have lived in a few houses that had big old cast type. I believe all were hot water, not steam. I do recall having to bleed the air off manually on some.
 
Ddaddy said:
This is the part about about the virus reporting that makes me crazy.

“Over 100,000 cases World wide!”

Yeah...but.

More than half of those cases are now over it and no longer sick. Once you are over it, you are no longer “a case”...just someone who had it once.

It’s like including someone who had the flu 2 years ago as “a case” of influenza infection.

At the peak (so far) there were 85,000 active infections. There are now only 50,000 active infections.

Perspective is everything.
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Last night I called my son and asked him if anything was different at his college, he said no. Today everything went to online. His roommate goes to a community college, some of their nursing students were involved with the Kirkland home that had all the issues, so their school was shut down for cleaning.

Today at my work I escorted the bug man to one of our communication sites, he brought a note that said our company did not want him to go inside, so he baited all the exterior rat traps and left. Things are going to get different, not saying worry about it but be ready for sure.
 
zkx14 said:
I have both. And a wood stove. Radiators are just baseboard though. Not like the cast iron ones. Have lived in a few houses that had big old cast type. I believe all were hot water, not steam. I do recall having to bleed the air off manually on some.
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Either my parents or the previous owners had replaced the living room tall cast iron radiators with baseboard versions. They never worked great - I think not enough mass, less surface radiation and not as efficient in getting natural conduction of the air to spread the heat to the room. Might have been a little better when the furnace was still coal fired.
 
Mattax said:
Nice!
That's the first decade of relatively widespread use of steam radiators in houses. I assume the radiators had some sort decorative designs cast into them?
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Oh yeah, they were real works of art.

Ornate brass hinges on every door and alabaster door knobs. 11’ ceilings on the first floor, 10’ on second floor and 9 foot on top floor. Rear servant’s stair case, pocket doors and 9 fireplaces of various sizes with 3 chimneys. The 3rd floor was the servants quarters. It also had a 1200 sq ft. Carriage house with stables and carriage bay below along with a hay loft and tack room above with a sleeping area for the stable boy.

It was built for the Commandant of the Pennsylvania Military Academy (which is what Widener University began as). It was situated to have a grand view of the drill fields in front of the Old Main. Hand carved granite steps and low retaining wall surrounded the grand entrance to the wrap around porch.
 
Mopar Tim said:
They just need a boiler, that can blow up.....No problem that I can see.....:lol:
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Ddaddy said:
The original 1889 boiler steam radiator system in our old Victorian house near Widener University was converted to a gas fired burner in the 1970s and it was still working great when we sold the house in 1990. Water feed system was converted to an automatic float valve when we lived there so no more periodic checking of the sight glass and turning valves to keep the water level right.

3800 sq ft of living space with 18 rooms on 3 floors being heated by 17 radiators. It was very efficient and worked well.
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It's closed loop. Quite efficient.
Mattax said:
Either my parents or the previous owners had replaced the living room tall cast iron radiators with baseboard versions. They never worked great - I think not enough mass, less surface radiation and not as efficient in getting natural conduction of the air to spread the heat to the room. Might have been a little better when the furnace was still coal fired.
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The fin tube baseboard units need a higher boiler temp to run efficiently. Cast iron can run as low as 120° where fin tube needs 160° or so.
 
Mattax said:
Either my parents or the previous owners had replaced the living room tall cast iron radiators with baseboard versions. They never worked great - I think not enough mass, less surface radiation and not as efficient in getting natural conduction of the air to spread the heat to the room. Might have been a little better when the furnace was still coal fired.
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My baseboards are just one straight through copper pipe with fins in them. No way that can compete with a hot chunk of irregularly shaped cast iron.
 
I will load a few photos of my boiler and the circulation pumps and pipe work and the boiler buddy which is just a storage tank for hot water.

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Tooljunkie said:
No cases of covid-19 in manitoba yet.Google Image Result for https://media.tenor.com/images/ba6d5e5b552cbd998e54b1125bcf9845/tenor.gif
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First confirmed case here. Dumbass went and visited someone in Boston that was positive with it and visited them WHILE they were supposed to be in quarantine. Fucktard brought it back here and got sick. Should be arrested and charged for stupidity.

I’m not panicking like most are but that doesnt mean be stupid and play with fire after bathing in gasoline.
 
But they were new and modern! Sleek and without character - which was the new look. That ornate stuff was old 'victorian junk'. Plain and without character was (somewhat still is ) the word of the day.

In theory the steam should have been hitting the top of the system over 212*F since it was at what 3 or 4 psi, maybe a little more?
The fins were all hidden by a shell with slots. really not a great design.

If I was doing new, I'd be looking at hot water in floor heating, or maybe electric. But could be a ***** to service if things go wrong...
 
Here is that house. I planted the Maple tree in the front left of the main walk in 1986. It was just a sapling that I dug out of the back yard of my father’s house 5 miles away.

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It's really a shame they never made a neon wagon.

If they would have, prolly would've been what my dreams would have been made of......

2.0 DOHC /5 speed wagon with the bulge hood and sport wheels.
 
Place I lived as a kid was once The Silver Inn. Divided up into 4 apartments. Not sure how old, but at least very early 1900s. We were on the other side of first floor from where the boiler was in basement. I think I was at school when the boiler blew. Said it shook the place pretty good.

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