The Power of Apple Cider Vinegar for Rust Removal

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Ive used the molasses for years and found it slow but extremely effective...old parts washer filled with it and water...old parts come out like brand new steel...you need to wash and coat them immediately though...surface rust takes minutes on the cleaned items...The vinegar thing looks awesome...the apple cidar vinegar is 10 bucks for 1 litre in Australia...Ill stick to my molasses at that price...interesting read guys
 
I have used vinegar on small parts with great results, but you need to be careful.
Some parts I put in for days to get clean but one time over night was too much, good thing I had extras.

Early on I did some door latch mechanisms and after one day ended up with a sticky film over they parts, from then on I degreased all the parts first.


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I have cleaned old motor cycle gas tanks with apple cider vinegar, and steel BB's.
Rotate and shake the BB's to bust the rust loose every day.
Also it will no damage the paint, if you are careful.
 
Jadaharabi said:
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Could not find it with out other chemicals added but. Did you know you can bake baking soda an make it change into it?
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yes I have heard that you could do that but I get a 4lb box for like $4.00 so it's a no brainer
 
brian6pac said:
yes I have heard that you could do that but I get a 4lb box for like $4.00 so it's a no brainer
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Kroger and wally world don't have it. What store are you finding it at?
I find it mixed with sodium percarbonate.
Never mine found it. thanks anyway.
 
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Hy vee had it on the shelf. $3.99 ea

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The big wally world on the other side of town had it on their shelves too. Their price was $4.18 for the exact same thing as HyVee has for $3.99 so it shows you shopping at Walmart is not all it's cracked up to be.
 
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I'm getting it ready and putting it in the rinse tank or neutralizing tank. I put 1 lb of the sodium carbonate in the water and I transferred the pump in it to move the water around. I think the fountain pump really helped on that second dunk. Cuz as you can see in those pictures the block came out a gray with a light black grit on it. The pressure washer cleaned it up really good but I also used a bowl brush on it and a wet rag.

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What are you using for a tank.
 
sireland67 said:
What are you using for a tank.
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A pair of plastic 55 gallon drums with the top cut out. They were filled with paint stripper originally.

Is one pound enough of the sodium carbonate to neutralize the apple cider. It's mixed with about 40 gallons of water.
 
brian6pac said:
What you want to use is washing soda (sodium carbonate) not baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) that is what I use and what is recommended by the specialist that do the restorations.

edit you need to use a battery charger, small current 10 amps and a piece of metal for catalyst, I use a old rotor.
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Just got done studying this method using a battery charger and a anode for removing the rust. Found it very interesting.
Something else I found interesting is that the soda ash that you use with the electricity to remove the rust. You can use the soda ash or baking soda to neutralize the vinegar. So
I found that a little over one cup of soda ash should neutralize 14 quarts of white vinegar.
One cup of baking soda should neutralize 7 quarts of white vinegar.
I used 16 quarts of apple vinegar in my dunk barrel. In my neutralizing Barrel I used approximately two cups of soda ash. Each tank has approximately 40 to 45 gallons of water in it.
So my ratios between the apple vinegar which is twice as strong as the white vinegar and my soda ash which is twice as strong as the baking soda came out fairly close for just a shot in the dark kind of experiment.
But I'm really impressed with how clean that first block came out. And tomorrow I will pull out the second block and see how it's doing. It was a barn fine that cost me a small fortune.
Speaking of cost, I have about $16 in apple vinegar, .50 in table sale an $8.00 in soda ash(which is way more than I used). Total $24.50 in supplies and it has the second block in being cleaned.
I have 2 more blocks I want to do to see how strong the solution is.
 
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I use a product I get from work called "Oil Eater". It works well.
 
Jadaharabi said:
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Just got done studying this method using a battery charger and a anode for removing the rust. Found it very interesting.
Something else I found interesting is that the soda ash that you use with the electricity to remove the rust. You can use the soda ash or baking soda to neutralize the vinegar. So
I found that a little over one cup of soda ash should neutralize 14 quarts of white vinegar.
One cup of baking soda should neutralize 7 quarts of white vinegar.
I used 16 quarts of apple vinegar in my dunk barrel. In my neutralizing Barrel I used approximately two cups of soda ash. Each tank has approximately 40 to 45 gallons of water in it.
So my ratios between the apple vinegar which is twice as strong as the white vinegar and my soda ash which is twice as strong as the baking soda came out fairly close for just a shot in the dark kind of experiment.
But I'm really impressed with how clean that first block came out. And tomorrow I will pull out the second block and see how it's doing. It was a barn fine that cost me a small fortune.
Speaking of cost, I have about $16 in apple vinegar, .50 in table sale an $8.00 in soda ash(which is way more than I used). Total $24.50 in supplies and it has the second block in being cleaned.
I have 2 more blocks I want to do to see how strong the solution is.
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Also the bubbles that come off the sodium carbonate when using a battery charger are hydrogen and oxygen are flammable so have a vent to remove the air or do it out side. Soda ash is not as strong as washing soda. Just FYI
 
brian6pac said:
Also the bubbles that come off the sodium carbonate when using a battery charger are hydrogen and oxygen are flammable so have a vent to remove the air or do it out side. Soda ash is not as strong as washing soda. Just FYI
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Sodium carbonate, Na2CO3, (also known as washing soda, soda ash and soda crystals, and in the monohydrate form as crystal carbonate) is the water-soluble sodium salt of carbonic acid.
 
Wife drinks a glass of apple cider vinegar ( organ! WTF is organ vinegar!????).. for her gall stone problem.

Maybe why she runs the runs yesterday!? ha

I am sold, I will try this next trip to Sams or Wally!
 
brian6pac said:
I guess I should have said per 1 cup because washing soda is powder and ash is flakes and doesn't weigh as much
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I see what you're saying. I used the term soda ash but I was talking about the washing soda. So you're probably right the different names have different weights because of different ways of processing although the same chemical composition.
But isn't a pound a pound whether it's a flake or a powder.?

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Are you talking about Oregon vinegar. If so it's called that because it's processed in Oregon.
 
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