Thoughts/opinions on Blueprint Engines 408 stroker crate engine?

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MRGTX said:
I’m sure that some here are going to think I’m committing libel against BPE for asking another question. :)

What oil pan is included with this engine? Is it the LA style/car specific shape? Does it have a windage tray?

IIRC, the Ram/Dakota pans won’t fit in car applications and the LA pans don’t fit perfectly on the Magnum engine but folks make them work.
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The oil pan used is the "car" type pan, for A,B,E body fitment. We don't use the truck pans. We tested several pan types, including race pans, and saw no difference in windage or oil pressure, so these don't have a windage tray. There are no warranty concerns if someone wants to swap pans for a truck install, or to one with a tray, beyond the obvious that leaks, or defects in the new gasket/pan, or re-torquing caps properly (windage studs) wouldn't be covered. But warranty of the engine itself is not affected.
 
Johnny Mac said:
The oil pan used is the "car" type pan, for A,B,E body fitment. We don't use the truck pans. We tested several pan types, including race pans, and saw no difference in windage or oil pressure, so these don't have a windage tray. There are no warranty concerns if someone wants to swap pans for a truck install, or to one with a tray, beyond the obvious that leaks, or defects in the new gasket/pan, or re-torquing caps properly (windage studs) wouldn't be covered. But warranty of the engine itself is not affected.
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Thanks. This is probably something I will change before installing the motor but it is interesting to hear that the testing didn’t show any benefits from a windage tray. I would be thrilled if I could spend that cash elsewhere.
 
Change of plans for me. I'm holding off on my engine order until things settle down with the world's supply chain.

It had been a couple months since leaving the deposit, no communication from them since July. I figured it was time to find out what was up. The most recent info I had meant that I would need to start rounding up supplies, borrowing a truck for picking up the engine hoist from my uncle, buying an engine stand, recruiting my buddies for help, etc and most importantly, finding a buyer for my current Magnum 300 before I pulled it from the car.....since five weeks from now (November per the estimate at the time of order placement), I would need be ready to go for the swap.

Well, I'm glad I called. I was told that there is now a 120 day delay on camshafts. So barring any additional delays, assembly for the existing orders won't resume until late January, add labor lead time onto that. I got the message that I wasn't exactly close to the top of the list which means significantly longer delays.

Obviously, the delays aren't their fault and I don't blame them for it even if I don't feel great about how I found out.

Anyway, I have it on my calendar to give them a call back in January. I hope things are significantly more predictable by then.
 
For anyone else reading this, Yes parts shortages are rampant, but please be aware that we have ordered cams from Quality, secondary suppliers, and many of those will be here in only several weeks, and more yet in 5-6 weeks. Not sure how deep Mr GTX's order was, but if anyone else has one on order, despite how long you have been waiting, I would advise hanging on, because cancelling when we finally have all the parts to build some of these, and cams landing shortly, is only going to further bury your lead times. It will NOT be 120 days until we build already ordered Chryslers. It may be 120 days for new orders. I understand some may be leary to leave money sitting with a company while waiting on a product, but please keep in mind this is not an overnight fix, and I don't see ordering again in a few months doing anything but resetting the cycle, and going to the end of the line. No "tone" here at all. Just wanted to be forthcoming with the information i have as someone that attends parts shortage meetings weekly, and spends hours as the Product Manager of the company, chasing parts, to keep engines moving out the door.
 
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Johnny Mac said:
For anyone else reading this, Yes parts shortages are rampant, but please be aware that we have ordered cams from Quality, secondary suppliers, and many of those will be here in only several weeks, and more yet in 5-6 weeks. Not sure how deep Mr GTX's order was, but if anyone else has one on order, despite how long you have been waiting, I would advise hanging on, because cancelling when we finally have all the parts to build some of these, and cams landing shortly, is only going to further bury your lead times. It will NOT be 120 days until we build already ordered Chryslers. It may be 120 days for new orders. I understand some may be leary to leave money sitting with a company while waiting on a product, but please keep in mind this is not an overnight fix, and I don't see ordering again in a few months doing anything but resetting the cycle, and going to the end of the line. No "tone" here at all. Just wanted to be forthcoming with the information i have as someone that attends parts shortage meetings weekly, and spends hours as the Product Manager of the company, chasing parts, to keep engines moving out the door.
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I bet it's been hard on everyone at the factory trying to do the best they can to build a quality engine and not buying cheap parts to compensate for the shortage.
 
Fred Scigliano said:
I bet it's been hard on everyone at the factory trying to do the best they can to build a quality engine and not buying cheap parts to compensate for the shortage.
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In many cases (chrysler cams) I have paid literally double vs what we normally do, just to get parts in the door. It's been an experience, that's for sure.
 
Question for Johnny, Are your cast cranks internality balanced or externality balanced ? If answered forgive me I must have missed it .
 
Johnny Mac said:
For anyone else reading this, Yes parts shortages are rampant, but please be aware that we have ordered cams from Quality, secondary suppliers, and many of those will be here in only several weeks, and more yet in 5-6 weeks. Not sure how deep Mr GTX's order was, but if anyone else has one on order, despite how long you have been waiting, I would advise hanging on, because cancelling when we finally have all the parts to build some of these, and cams landing shortly, is only going to further bury your lead times. It will NOT be 120 days until we build already ordered Chryslers. It may be 120 days for new orders. I understand some may be leary to leave money sitting with a company while waiting on a product, but please keep in mind this is not an overnight fix, and I don't see ordering again in a few months doing anything but resetting the cycle, and going to the end of the line. No "tone" here at all. Just wanted to be forthcoming with the information i have as someone that attends parts shortage meetings weekly, and spends hours as the Product Manager of the company, chasing parts, to keep engines moving out the door.
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Wait...what?!
 
MRGTX said:
Wait...what?!
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if they spec a cam from a grinder, and it meets those specs including metallurgy, is that a problem? mine estimated for november. wouldn't actually mind if it slipped a month, but i'll deal with it when ever it shows up, not planning to canceling my order
 
kursplat said:
if they spec a cam from a grinder, and it meets those specs including metallurgy, is that a problem? mine estimated for november. wouldn't actually mind if it slipped a month, but i'll deal with it when ever it shows up, not planning to canceling my order
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Thanks kursplat, I wasn't sure what part of the statement was being questioned. So wasn't sure how to respond.
You are correct, everything has to go through QC. By "secondary" I just meant they weren't our primary. In cases like this, it usually involves us paying double or triple for something because we aren't buying in the same bulk quantities we usually do. In this case we have both Howard's and Bullets coming in. I imagine they will pass QC just fine.
If someone is upset because they cancel, and then we find more parts...I'm not sure what to say to that. The supply chain isn't going to clean up in a few months. Unfortunate reality. So I wanted to caution anyone waiting, to stay the course. It's not like we stopped taking new orders..so the line is growing, not shrinking. we estimate ETA's the best we can, and build what we can when we can. Appreciate those that stick with us.
 
Johnny Mac said:
If someone is upset because they cancel, and then we find more parts...I'm not sure what to say to that. The supply chain isn't going to clean up in a few months
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You weren’t sure what my post was questioning…yet you jump to a pretty unflattering assumption that I was upset? I’m not sure what to say to that.

I would have written more except it was 2:30pm and I wanted to call as soon as possible to find out if I could get my place in line back since I made the decision to cancel the order later based on a mistake on BPE’s side. Clearly it was the case since on the same day that I was told that it would be an additional 3-4 months wait, you knew otherwise.

So I called in and spent about 20 minutes on hold, eventually got connected to Stephanie’s voicemail. I left a message but so far, haven’t got a call back. It was 3pm or so when I finally got connected to the voicemail so maybe she hadn’t gotten to it yet.

But sure, I was irritated (not quite the same as “upset”) that such a significant delay was not communicated…but maybe that’s because it wasn’t actually the case. I also thought I made it pretty clear in my post that I didn’t hold it against BPE. What else should I have said?

Im not sure who you are lecturing about supply chain but you can save it if it’s directed at me. I know what is happening in the world and I don’t think it’s BPE’s fault as I have already stated. For whatever it’s worth, I worked in aerospace supply chain for 15 years for a major OEM…based on my own experiences with having to do this and based on BPE’s reputation, I assumed that these secondary suppliers still have to conform to the same drawings, specs. That wasn’t my worry. I should also note that I would have been in deep **** if I saw that I was missing a delivery date by that much and didn’t say a word to the customer, which of course is what I believed was happening.

And yeah, I was irritated when I saw your post literally directed at “everyone else” contradicting what I was told directly on the phone. WTF was that all about? Is my inbox full? Maybe you tried to send helpful DM that there was a mistake? If so, this whole comment is null.

In any case, I get the impression that my comments have irritated you. That’s your prerogative but I honestly don’t know what you have to gain by trying to put me in my place or whatever…at least that’s how it looks from my perspective. If it’s all the same to you, can you maybe just back off a little?

For anyone else, this is not the style of anybody to whom I’ve spoken to at BPE. Literally everyone has been friendly, professional, and helpful.
 
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MRGTX said:
You weren’t sure what my post was questioning…yet you jump to a pretty unflattering assumption that I was upset? I’m not sure what to say to that.

I would have written more except it was 2:30pm and I wanted to call as soon as possible to find out if I could get my place in line back since I made the decision to cancel the order later based on a mistake on BPE’s side. Clearly it was the case since on the same day that I was told that it would be an additional 3-4 months wait, you knew otherwise.

So I called in and spent about 20 minutes on hold, eventually got connected to Stephanie’s voicemail. I left a message but so far, haven’t got a call back. It was 3pm or so when I finally got connected to the voicemail so maybe she hadn’t gotten to it yet.

But sure, I was irritated (not quite the same as “upset”) that such a significant delay was not communicated…but maybe that’s because it wasn’t actually the case. I also thought I made it pretty clear in my post that I didn’t hold it against BPE. What else should I have said?

Im not sure who you are lecturing about supply chain but you can save it if it’s directed at me. I know what is happening in the world and I don’t think it’s BPE’s fault as I have already stated. For whatever it’s worth, I worked in aerospace supply chain for 15 years for a major OEM…based on my own experiences with having to do this and based on BPE’s reputation, I assumed that these secondary suppliers still have to conform to the same drawings, specs. That wasn’t my worry. I should also note that I would have been in deep **** if I saw that I was missing a delivery date by that much and didn’t say a word to the customer, which of course is what I believed was happening.

And yeah, I was irritated when I saw your post literally directed at “everyone else” contradicting what I was told directly on the phone. WTF was that all about? Is my inbox full? Maybe you tried to send helpful DM that there was a mistake? If so, this whole comment is null.

In any case, I get the impression that my comments have irritated you. That’s your prerogative but I honestly don’t know what you have to gain by trying to put me in my place or whatever…at least that’s how it looks from my perspective. If it’s all the same to you, can you maybe just back off a little?

For anyone else, this is not the style of anybody to whom I’ve spoken to at BPE. Literally everyone has been friendly, professional, and helpful.
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Mr GTX, I honestly don't know how my posts are being taken in the way you are perceiving them. There is no intention to belittle you, or anyone else. My only intent was to clarify my own wording, as well as correct the statement about us being 6 months from building chryslers. I apologize for the way the reply was taken. I think that's officially my first red x on the forum. I haven't had issues with any members here, so this "getting off on the wrong foot" I'm hoping is just misinterpreted context. I was trying to provide some info and back story on why the line isn't getting shorter, and staying the course is the better option than waiting for the day we are caught up. No lectures intended. If I'm coming off as an *** I apologize. I'll bow out of this thread as I'm clearly doing a poor job at adding any value. What I will do is touch base with Stephanie and see what we can do about your place in line. Best of luck with the project. I will let the sales staff take it from here.
 
Johnny Mac said:
Mr GTX, I honestly don't know how my posts are being taken in the way you are perceiving them. There is no intention to belittle you, or anyone else. My only intent was to clarify my own wording, as well as correct the statement about us being 6 months from building chryslers. I apologize for the way the reply was taken. I think that's officially my first red x on the forum. I haven't had issues with any members here, so this "getting off on the wrong foot" I'm hoping is just misinterpreted context. I was trying to provide some info and back story on why the line isn't getting shorter, and staying the course is the better option than waiting for the day we are caught up. No lectures intended. If I'm coming off as an *** I apologize. I'll bow out of this thread as I'm clearly doing a poor job at adding any value. What I will do is touch base with Stephanie and see what we can do about your place in line. Best of luck with the project. I will let the sales staff take it from here.
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The apology isn’t necessary but I do appreciate that. This isn’t the first time that I misinterpreted your tone so I accept some of the responsibility.

The red “x” was in disagreement, mostly about the presumed reason why someone might bail because of a parts delay. I didn’t cancel out of spite or anything so petty. I have a family related deadline that means that the swap has to be totally done by a specific date. Not getting it done by then would mean that the Dart would almost certainly sit for a year or who knows how long. So losing four months sounded like doom for the project.

Thanks for your help. If the place in line can be reinstated (and the build falls within the range that will get a cam before the gap in deliveries) I will be beyond relieved and happy.
 
Ahh for the days when all we had was phones along with pen and paper, Filling out an order form and mailing it. Wait time was what it was. You got what you ordered when you got it. And no drama :rolleyes:
 
67autocross said:
I can't see how you could go wrong with this thing for the price and warrenty...it would be tough for a local shop to compete building something similar...It would be nice if we had a Canadian distributor
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Auto Clearing in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. Their a Chrysler Dealer. They have sold Blueprint for many years. Kim
 
12many said:
Ahh for the days when all we had was phones along with pen and paper, Filling out an order form and mailing it. Wait time was what it was. You got what you ordered when you got it. And no drama :rolleyes:
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yep, too many folks jump to conclusions on forums (and the web in general) instead of asking questions re 'intent' or 'meaning' of a statement first. i'm always telling people to ''pick up the phone and ask'' rather than moan about not getting an email/message back 'instantly'. the phone system does work since the internet was invented, lol.
 
DemonDave said:
So since I'm currently running a 360 in my Swinger, your 408 would drop right in without any balance worries at all? That's very tempting.

How much to ship to BC Canada again? Hmmm. :D
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Thanks for the interest! Correct, it's balanced as an LA360 on the rear. The front is balanced as a Magnum, but most of ours come with a damper, or it can be added easily. Should drop right in for the most part. If you can pm me what version you are looking at, your address, and an email, I can have sales check on shipping, but I haven't seen it be more than 300-400 to Canada. Pre brokerage and all that jazz.
 
Good information, older thread.

I placed an order thru Summit back in January 2023. A little misleading on their expected arrival date, was originally April then it mysteriously changed to July right after I placed my order. I called BPE and they confirmed the July date.

Well, July 31st rolls around, and bam, it ships :)

Dyno sheet indicated a few HP short, 458 vs 465 advertised. But torque was 523 vs 494 advertised. Impressive.

Looking forward to installing shortly...

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SalC said:
Good information, older thread.

I placed an order thru Summit back in January 2023. A little misleading on their expected arrival date, was originally April then it mysteriously changed to July right after I placed my order. I called BPE and they confirmed the July date.

Well, July 31st rolls around, and bam, it ships :)

Dyno sheet indicated a few HP short, 458 vs 465 advertised. But torque was 523 vs 494 advertised. Impressive.

Looking forward to installing shortly...

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Looks awesome
 
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