Today, dollar for dollar, is the 318 faster than the 340 ???

would you agree ?

  • yep, the 318 wins if buying and building for under 3k

    Votes: 48 41.7%

  • Nope, the 340 always has and always will beat the 318

    Votes: 57 49.6%

  • Actually, never thought about it like this... Good Point !

    Votes: 10 8.7%
  • Total voters
    115
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Now with that said I just in the last few months took a block down to the machine shop for boring line honing and a total prep for a stroker kit that I just ordered.. I had a 318 block and a 360 block laying in my shed... To me it was a no-brainer which one to grab...
 
j par said:
Stroker kit 1500, block prep 700, Speedmaster heads on Black Friday 700 to the door, call Ken at Oregon cam grinding and grind you a cam for $79 from a core, getting pretty close...
I know nobody's talking stroker kit here but that would be a pretty easy route to get close to 3K and this is all new stuff for the most part...
Haters will hate..(or name call) like madscient... yellow ro... or I mean 448scamp..
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Is 448scamp YR ????
 
mopowers said:
Maybe I just assumed, but I thought the premise of the original question about 4 million posts ago was a running LA 318 w/ $3,000 to spend vs a running LA 340 w/ $1,500 to spend. So now, we're allowing a 5.2, but not a 5.9? Why is the goal post moving?
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You can run non stock heads, like magnum heads on an LA 318 so doesn't really matter if the bottom end is magnum or LA, and OP just states 318, 5.2l is just 318, magnum is basically just a head package not an whole new engine like hemi.
 
273 said:
You can run non stock heads, like magnum heads on an LA 318 so doesn't really matter if the bottom end is magnum or LA, and OP just states 318, 5.2l is just 318, magnum is basically just a head package not an whole new engine like hemi.
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Sort of like the 1968-71 340 is one engine head package and the 1972-73 are different heads and Compression?

We would not be having these long and drawn out conversions if the 'Bean Counters' at Chrysler did not saddle the 318 with sub par parts. If they had offered a 1.88" valve 10:1 with a 252ish cam and 4bbl option on the teen It would be a whole new ball park. Maybe 260 HP at the crank
 
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So am I to understand I'm given a 318 brand new stock bore and a 340 brand new stock bore and I get an extra 3K to toss at the 318?...
 
j par said:
So am I to understand I'm given a 318 brand new stock bore and a 340 brand new stock bore and I get an extra 3K to toss at the 318?...
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No.
You are given a choice to BUY one or the other at current market values of a core, long or short block. Then and only then you subtract the cost of the engine block from the $3000.
What you have left over is what you can spend for ANY parts and machining.
No parts can be from your stash. No FREE parts from friends. Every part must be open sourced 'Fair Market' Price that everyone else gets.

Seem the average price of a 318 long block runs $150. Average price of a 340 long block runs around $1000. So the 318 now gets a $850 head start.
 
Dave_J said:
No.
You are given a choice to BUY one or the other at current market values of a core, long or short block. Then and only then you subtract the cost of the engine block from the $3000.
What you have left over is what you can spend for ANY parts and machining.
No parts can be from your stash. No FREE parts from friends. Every part must be open sourced 'Fair Market' Price that everyone else gets.

Seem the average price of a 318 long block runs $150. Average price of a 340 long block runs around $1000. So the 318 now gets a $850 head start.
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I have seen a couple of these 318 build articles and there are a few suspicious parts gotten from a friend of the build article or whatever... That always kind of threw me off...
It's almost kind of like saying kind of like I started with maybe that you get a fresh 318 and a fresh 340 but when you get the 318 you get an extra $850?...
 
Dave_J said:
No.
You are given a choice to BUY one or the other at current market values of a core, long or short block. Then and only then you subtract the cost of the engine block from the $3000.
What you have left over is what you can spend for ANY parts and machining.
No parts can be from your stash. No FREE parts from friends. Every part must be open sourced 'Fair Market' Price that everyone else gets.

Seem the average price of a 318 long block runs $150. Average price of a 340 long block runs around $1000. So the 318 now gets a $850 head start.
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And the thought is about not cheating.

I could sell 318willrun a $10,000 318 for $150 but that would not be honest.
His 'Bill of sale' would state "I sold 318will a 318 long block in non running condition in "AS-IS Where Is" without any warranty"

And the best would to Dyno both engines at the same shop under same conditions. Then put them in almost the same preped cars and run the 1/4 mile.
 
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j par said:
I have seen a couple of these 318 build articles and there are a few suspicious parts gotten from a friend of the build article or whatever... That always kind of threw me off...
It's almost kind of like saying kind of like I started with maybe that you get a fresh 318 and a fresh 340 but when you get the 318 you get an extra $850?...
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I don't think the 340 Cultists would go along with this.
 
I also would say that if you buy a LONG block and want to replace every bolt that CAME with this engine, with ARP type bolts, that should NOT be subtracted from the $3000 as you are not going to get 10 more horsepower.

BUT, if you bought a SHORT block that did not have head bolts and want to slap on aftermarket heads and want ARP type bolts, that money should count as you are not replacing 1 for 1. You chose not to buy an engine with the bolts up front.

Where to draw the lines?
 
mygasser said:
nobody said 400hp 318's are plentiful except you in this post. they merely said it's not that hard, or as expensive as some would have us believe.
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Then where are they? If they are cheap and easy you all would be doing it. The fact is it isn’t cheap, and some dude talking about 10k engines is losing his mind. I’m waiting to see him post his 400 horse 318 that he drives on the street.
 
j par said:
Stroker kit 1500, block prep 700, Speedmaster heads on Black Friday 700 to the door, call Ken at Oregon cam grinding and grind you a cam for $79 from a core, getting pretty close...
I know nobody's talking stroker kit here but that would be a pretty easy route to get close to 3K and this is all new stuff for the most part...
Haters will hate..(or name call) like madscient... yellow ro... or I mean 448scamp..
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I’ll say this again. You should think before you post. I thought I was on ignore. Next up, I’ll get a mod to deal with you.
 
318willrun said:
Is 448scamp YR ????
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No, I’m not YR or anyone else. This was answered a while ago, but one or two clowns think they are so smart. Believe what you want. Listening to the clowns who think they have some big story is a mistake.
 
448Scamp said:
Then where are they? If they are cheap and easy you all would be doing it. The fact is it isn’t cheap, and some dude talking about 10k engines is losing his mind. I’m waiting to see him post his 400 horse 318 that he drives on the street.
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It is cheap! You clearly haven't been paying attention . Frickin idiots like .... keep trying to tell everyone different. I have my 400hp 318 out and getting a freshen up. It was in my dokatas the other one is putting out around 330hp according to trap speeds and a dyno. Stock heads and bottom end. I'm going to put the 400hp in my 67 valiant
 
jammied said:
It is cheap! You clearly haven't been paying attention . Frickin idiots like .... keep trying to tell everyone different. I have my 400hp 318 out and getting a freshen up. It was in my dokatas the other one is putting out around 330hp according to trap speeds and a dyno. Stock heads and bottom end. I'm going to put the 400hp in my 67 valiant
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Dyno numbers from this 3k 400 horse 318. I want to see the receipts on the build too.
 
j par said:
Stroker kit 1500, block prep 700, Speedmaster heads on Black Friday 700 to the door, call Ken at Oregon cam grinding and grind you a cam for $79 from a core, getting pretty close...
I know nobody's talking stroker kit here but that would be a pretty easy route to get close to 3K and this is all new stuff for the most part...
Haters will hate..(or name call) like madscient... yellow ro... or I mean 448scamp..
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and all with the same so called 'tiny' bore size that's not worth s**t, lol.
 
mygasser said:
nobody said 400hp 318's are plentiful except you in this post. they merely said it's not that hard, or as expensive as some would have us believe.
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448Scamp said:
Then where are they? If they are cheap and easy you all would be doing it. The fact is it isn’t cheap, and some dude talking about 10k engines is losing his mind. I’m waiting to see him post his 400 horse 318 that he drives on the street.
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Mygasser, I guess he is not listening too well. We keep putting up answers and he keeps coming back with the same same same petty comments.

And now Scamp448 is threatening a member to sic the Moderators on him. So funny. Be careful what you start when you bang the pot.
 
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448Scamp said:
Dyno numbers from this 3k 400 horse 318. I want to see the receipts on the build too.
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You are going to have to start explaining why they won't make 400hp? I want to hear this? Come on speak up explain why . I want know the numbers
 
Dave_J said:
Mygasser, I guess he is not listening too well. We keep putting up answers and he keeps coming back with the same same.

And now is threating a member to sic the Moderators on him. So funny.
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Did I curse at somebody or say something offensive to somebody?...
Or threatening?...
 
Wait a minute I see where I went wrong calling somebody mad scientist or yellow rose could be seen as offensive...
My sincere apologies...
 
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