VR-200’s…… AGAIN…….

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BPE said:
"If someone has had better results with other heads cast like these, PLEASE let me know".

Pretty much what I thought..... CRICKETS.....

Thanks,
Rod
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CRICKETS........... is all you will get.
it's tough to argue track results like you have provided. the naysayers would rather have a trickflow head that runs mid 10's and claim they are the best head around.
 
BPE said:
"If someone has had better results with other heads cast like these, PLEASE let me know".

Pretty much what I thought..... CRICKETS.....

Thanks,
Rod
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Well if an all steel body, all cast iron motor with a stock pushrod location, stock valve sized set of cast iron J's through exhaust manifolds, 2k stall converter, and a 6.5" Street tire can go 10.1@132 I'd hope you could into the 9's without trying too hard.. :poke:
 
9secRR said:
CRICKETS........... is all you will get.
it's tough to argue track results like you have provided. the naysayers would rather have a trickflow head that runs mid 10's and claim they are the best head around.
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I'm not bashing Trickflow heads, I think they have their place. Also, I am not trying to undermine they're place in the SBM market. What I don't understand is, they claim the head flows 300 cfm and people eat it up without real results then, want to say "it was never marketed as a race head" ***** please...... if a fully cnc'd head with a standard pushrod location says it flows over 300 cfm, you don't consider that racey? It's not 100% their fault for showing the information they have and I can understand that to some degree but, what they're doing is all about their bottom line. THAT IS NOT ME! If you contact me and tell me and your goals are to run 10.70's - 11.00's with a 3000 lbs. car, I will flat out tell you not to spend money with me (as many of you know). I'm not the guy that is just gonna sell you heads because I can make money.This is the main reason, I will never have dealers! What I want, is for people to get the performance they were expecting. We all work for what we have, don't waste your hard earned dollars on **** that won't put up the number! At the end of the day, the only numbers that matter are the ones on the boards.



Thanks,
Rod
 
BPE said:
This is another test engine that I built to prove our VR-200 cylinder heads. It is a 416” (stock block) with bushed lifter bores and billet (center three) main caps using our VR-200 cylinder heads on pump gas, in a real streetcar. I personally built this engine to put on the dyno and install in a car for REAL WORLD results. This engine made pulls on the dyno as well as tested in a 100% pump gas (92/93 octane) car. The test vehicle was a 1968 barracuda street/strip combo with a flat hood and weighs in at 3315lbs (with driver) running through exhaust. It utilizes a 904 trans and 4.10 gear on a 275/ 60 tire. I believe this car has the potential to go 9.70’s with a hood scoop and a slight converter change. Just another testament to our VR-200 heads.

Thank you,
Rod

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Could you tell me the;
Camshaft specs, converter stall/flash rpm leaving the line?

Thanks Rod
 
BPE said:
I'm not bashing Trickflow heads, I think they have their place. Also, I am not trying to undermine they're place in the SBM market. What I don't understand is, they claim the head flows 300 cfm and people eat it up without real results then, want to say "it was never marketed as a race head" ***** please...... if a fully cnc'd head with a standard pushrod location says it flows over 300 cfm, you don't consider that racey? It's not 100% their fault for showing the information they have and I can understand that to some degree but, what they're doing is all about their bottom line. THAT IS NOT ME! If you contact me and tell me and your goals are to run 10.70's - 11.00's with a 3000 lbs. car, I will flat out tell you not to spend money with me (as many of you know). I'm not the guy that is just gonna sell you heads because I can make money.This is the main reason, I will never have dealers! What I want, is for people to get the performance they were expecting. We all work for what we have, don't waste your hard earned dollars on **** that won't put up the number! At the end of the day, the only numbers that matter are the ones on the boards.



Thanks,
Rod
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i agree 100% with you. finally someone has said it instead of me.
i'm not bashing TF, i'm just tired of all hype over them with zero results. and so far i haven't seen any TF headed engine produce good #'s at the track. your heads have shown excellent ET and MPH and that makes them a proven head.
 
BPE said:
I'm not bashing Trickflow heads, I think they have their place. Also, I am not trying to undermine they're place in the SBM market. What I don't understand is, they claim the head flows 300 cfm and people eat it up without real results then, want to say "it was never marketed as a race head" ***** please...... if a fully cnc'd head with a standard pushrod location says it flows over 300 cfm, you don't consider that racey? It's not 100% their fault for showing the information they have and I can understand that to some degree but, what they're doing is all about their bottom line. THAT IS NOT ME! If you contact me and tell me and your goals are to run 10.70's - 11.00's with a 3000 lbs. car, I will flat out tell you not to spend money with me (as many of you know). I'm not the guy that is just gonna sell you heads because I can make money.This is the main reason, I will never have dealers! What I want, is for people to get the performance they were expecting. We all work for what we have, don't waste your hard earned dollars on **** that won't put up the number! At the end of the day, the only numbers that matter are the ones on the boards.



Thanks,
Rod
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I purchased a Duster with the Trickflow Heads fully ported w/2.08 Int valves add to. Here are the flow numbers. I assume that’s decent flow.

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rslscobra said:
I purchased a Duster with the Trickflow Heads fully ported w/2.08 Int valves add to. Here are the flow numbers. I assume that’s decent flow.
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Yes it is. The room part of the numbers (in part among a few other things) is how big the port is. A small port flowing this number vs a larger port will produce different power numbers.

You should be able to create a good strong running engine with those heads and flow rates.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Yes it is. The room part of the numbers (in part among a few other things) is how big the port is. A small port flowing this number vs a larger port will produce different power numbers.

You should be able to create a good strong running engine with those heads and flow rates.
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Yeah Mopar is new to me. Not going to purchase new heads. I think thee heads will do all that I want right now.
 
rslscobra said:
I purchased a Duster with the Trickflow Heads fully ported w/2.08 Int valves add to. Here are the flow numbers. I assume that’s decent flow.

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I think you bought a really good car to start with. The gentleman that owned it prior, and built it, did a good job from what I can see. That being said, I don't think the car performed the way a lot of people on here might have expected, even with all the changes. In my estimation, the 90+ pages described in the "Fred" post haven't shown anything above what the average guy could expect performance wise from the parts he selected. It's hard for me to give a honest evaluation of performance when I don't have all the facts. At one point, he said the car weighed 3176 lbs. and then he said it weighed 3146 lbs. with fiberglass bumpers, hood and fiberglass deck lid (only 30 lbs. less?). Then it was mentioned where someone said it weighed well over 3200 lbs. in that trim. Then, he dropped the exhaust off and lost who knows how many lbs. along with less restriction. So then, I can only assume it was less than 3100 lbs. (again no idea). After several converter changes, it still never reached a 9 second pass or the MPH that it should have, at the presumed weight (all while being 12.25 to 1 and on race fuel, mind you). I do however, think it would respond quite well to a cam change and that's where I would start.

This build aside, here is my honest evaluation of the flow numbers posted on that sheet. When I see a standard port SBM head with a 2.02" valve at .100" lift and this cross section flowing 70+ cfm, I'm more than skeptical of the rest of the numbers. I know others know this as well. I'm beating a dead horse here, but flowbench numbers don't mean REAL WORLD results! Those numbers may be believable to some, but they don't add up to on track performance. I don't mean to sound abrasive, but it's hard for me to get across to people that what they've read for years in magazines and on the internet is generally bullshit! Marketing information is just that. It's all about getting you to spend money no matter the end result. Just like every weight loss fad or get a bigger dick scheme over the years. Again, what I post are no bullshit results, just actual performance FACTS! If I said my heads flowed 350 cfm it wouldn't change the on track results, would it? How about if I said they flowed 260 cfm? Nope, not a tenth! IT"S JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER based on the specific bench it was tested on. Do your research and find out what fits your combination or goals best. I understand that may not always mean spending $ with me, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on advertising and inaccurate information.

Thanks,
Rod
 
BPE said:
I think you bought a really good car to start with. The gentleman that owned it prior, and built it, did a good job from what I can see. That being said, I don't think the car performed the way a lot of people on here might have expected, even with all the changes. In my estimation, the 90+ pages described in the "Fred" post haven't shown anything above what the average guy could expect performance wise from the parts he selected. It's hard for me to give a honest evaluation of performance when I don't have all the facts. At one point, he said the car weighed 3176 lbs. and then he said it weighed 3146 lbs. with fiberglass bumpers, hood and fiberglass deck lid (only 30 lbs. less?). Then it was mentioned where someone said it weighed well over 3200 lbs. in that trim. Then, he dropped the exhaust off and lost who knows how many lbs. along with less restriction. So then, I can only assume it was less than 3100 lbs. (again no idea). After several converter changes, it still never reached a 9 second pass or the MPH that it should have, at the presumed weight (all while being 12.25 to 1 and on race fuel, mind you). I do however, think it would respond quite well to a cam change and that's where I would start.

This build aside, here is my honest evaluation of the flow numbers posted on that sheet. When I see a standard port SBM head with a 2.02" valve at .100" lift and this cross section flowing 70+ cfm, I'm more than skeptical of the rest of the numbers. I know others know this as well. I'm beating a dead horse here, but flowbench numbers don't mean REAL WORLD results! Those numbers may be believable to some, but they don't add up to on track performance. I don't mean to sound abrasive, but it's hard for me to get across to people that what they've read for years in magazines and on the internet is generally bullshit! Marketing information is just that. It's all about getting you to spend money no matter the end result. Just like every weight loss fad or get a bigger dick scheme over the years. Again, what I post are no bullshit results, just actual performance FACTS! If I said my heads flowed 350 cfm it wouldn't change the on track results, would it? How about if I said they flowed 260 cfm? Nope, not a tenth! IT"S JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER based on the specific bench it was tested on. Do your research and find out what fits your combination or goals best. I understand that may not always mean spending $ with me, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on advertising and inaccurate information.

Thanks,
Rod
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This post should be made a sticky.

Maybe the post of the century.
 
First, I'm not talking about the Bloomer heads or the real racers on here but it sure sounds like a lot of bench racers (bs) on here.
 
I can tell you that when (if haha) I'm ready I'll be purchasing a set of the Bloomer heads. Again he gives all the info on here with real world results.
 
BPE said:
I think you bought a really good car to start with. The gentleman that owned it prior, and built it, did a good job from what I can see. That being said, I don't think the car performed the way a lot of people on here might have expected, even with all the changes. In my estimation, the 90+ pages described in the "Fred" post haven't shown anything above what the average guy could expect performance wise from the parts he selected. It's hard for me to give a honest evaluation of performance when I don't have all the facts. At one point, he said the car weighed 3176 lbs. and then he said it weighed 3146 lbs. with fiberglass bumpers, hood and fiberglass deck lid (only 30 lbs. less?). Then it was mentioned where someone said it weighed well over 3200 lbs. in that trim. Then, he dropped the exhaust off and lost who knows how many lbs. along with less restriction. So then, I can only assume it was less than 3100 lbs. (again no idea). After several converter changes, it still never reached a 9 second pass or the MPH that it should have, at the presumed weight (all while being 12.25 to 1 and on race fuel, mind you). I do however, think it would respond quite well to a cam change and that's where I would start.

This build aside, here is my honest evaluation of the flow numbers posted on that sheet. When I see a standard port SBM head with a 2.02" valve at .100" lift and this cross section flowing 70+ cfm, I'm more than skeptical of the rest of the numbers. I know others know this as well. I'm beating a dead horse here, but flowbench numbers don't mean REAL WORLD results! Those numbers may be believable to some, but they don't add up to on track performance. I don't mean to sound abrasive, but it's hard for me to get across to people that what they've read for years in magazines and on the internet is generally bullshit! Marketing information is just that. It's all about getting you to spend money no matter the end result. Just like every weight loss fad or get a bigger dick scheme over the years. Again, what I post are no bullshit results, just actual performance FACTS! If I said my heads flowed 350 cfm it wouldn't change the on track results, would it? How about if I said they flowed 260 cfm? Nope, not a tenth! IT"S JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER based on the specific bench it was tested on. Do your research and find out what fits your combination or goals best. I understand that may not always mean spending $ with me, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on advertising and inaccurate information.

Thanks,
Rod
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I offense taken. I’m new to Mopar motors. Those numbers are with a 2.08 Int valve. But, either way it will be fast enough for what I want to do with it. However, I like a challenge, so I am going to do my best to get this car to run a 9.99 with these heads.
 
LO23M8B said:
Again he gives all the info on here with real world results
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Good results, but limited information on camshaft specs and intake work, two key pieces involved in making a cylinder head move air. header used ?
 
fishmens67 said:
Good results, but limited information on camshaft specs and intake work, two key pieces involved in making a cylinder head move air. header used ?
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i know the AMC had an ootb super victor and a Crower SR shelf grind and it hauls ***
 
Scampin said:
Well if an all steel body, all cast iron motor with a stock pushrod location, stock valve sized set of cast iron J's through exhaust manifolds, 2k stall converter, and a 6.5" Street tire can go 10.1@132 I'd hope you could into the 9's without trying too hard.. :poke:
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Yea this got me thinking.
 
rslscobra said:
I offense taken. I’m new to Mopar motors. Those numbers are with a 2.08 Int valve. But, either way it will be fast enough for what I want to do with it. However, I like a challenge, so I am going to do my best to get this car to run a 9.99 with these heads.
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I think you're on your way and I hope you reach your goals.

Thanks,
Rod
 
fishmens67 said:
Good results, but limited information on camshaft specs and intake work, two key pieces involved in making a cylinder head move air. header used ?
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The cam specs are listed on this page (post 81) along with the converter. It had a ported super victor and shelf 1 7/8" TTI headers running through exhaust and no hood scoop on 93 pump gas. My Trickflow comparison post also had the Hughes flat tappet cam specs and ran 1 7/8" hedman headers and a Victor 340 intake. The AMX guy has given the Crower cam part number, said it has a port matched only Super Victor and has custom headers because of the chassis. B3422W5 has stated multiple times what his cam is as well the victor 340 intake. I believe he runs a 1 3/4" headers. Not sure that is "limited information" maybe, you're just not seeing it.

Thanks,
Rod
 
BPE said:
The cam specs are listed on this page (post 81) along with the converter. It had a ported super victor and shelf 1 7/8" TTI headers running through exhaust and no hood scoop on 93 pump gas. My Trickflow comparison post also had the Hughes flat tappet cam specs and ran 1 7/8" hedman headers and a Victor 340 intake. The AMX guy has given the Crower cam part number, said it has a port matched only Super Victor and has custom headers because of the chassis. B3422W5 has stated multiple times what his cam is as well the victor 340 intake. I believe he runs a 1 3/4" headers. Not sure that is "limited information" maybe, you're just not seeing it.

Thanks,
Rod
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So when is the Bloomer slant 6 head expected? lol
 
jimjimjimmy said:
i know the AMC had an ootb super victor and a Crower SR shelf grind and it hauls ***
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Laverne Ferrouillat had to custom build the headers. They are a work of art. 1 7/8" primary, 36 inch long primary tubes They are all within 1/8th the same length. 3.5" merge collectors 18" long.

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