Whiplash cam. Your thoughts

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340Duster247 said:
My camshaft shortlist

Lunati voodoo 60404
Hughes whiplash
Comp big mother thumpr
Comp he275hl
Mopar purple 284/484

Add a cam that you think would be a better choice if you don't agree with any of these
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the 60404 and BMT are probably gonna be too big for your 2800 stall. whiplash is probably a bit too mild.

If it were me, I'd consider the 60403 and regular Thumpr.
both are pretty stout cams street/strip cams.

What are the full specs on the mopar cam?

Have you looked at hughes' line of hyd cams?

The HEH3237AL looks near spot on for your application.

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/...ZW5naW5lcw==&level1=Q2Ftc2hhZnQ=&partid=21851
 
I think he meant a solid flat tappet instead of a hydraulic flat tappet, the only additional cost would be adjustable rocker arms.
 
frosty_the_punk said:
the 60404 and BMT are probably gonna be too big for your 2800 stall. whiplash is probably a bit too mild.

If it were me, I'd consider the 60403 and regular Thumpr.
both are pretty stout cams street/strip cams.

What are the full specs on the mopar cam?

Have you looked at hughes' line of hyd cams?

The HEH3237AL looks near spot on for your application.

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/...ZW5naW5lcw==&level1=Q2Ftc2hhZnQ=&partid=21851
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Thanks! This is just the advice I'm looking for. I'll look I to the other Hughes cam. The 60404 lunati website says that cam loves 2800 stall, dual plain, 3.73s+. Hmmm.
I'll dig up the mopar purple cam for ya. But that cam gets lots of different reviews. Guys either LOVE IT or hate it.
 
340Duster247 said:
Thanks! This is just the advice I'm looking for. I'll look I to the other Hughes cam. The 60404 lunati website says that cam loves 2800 stall, dual plain, 3.73s+. Hmmm.
I'll dig up the mopar purple cam for ya. But that cam gets lots of different reviews. Guys either LOVE IT or hate it.
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My bad, the 60404 has a basic operating range of 2200-6400 which sounds a little high to me.

If you're planning on getting the rotating assembly balanced and willing to use aftermarket pistons and conrods, It would be a heck of a lot safer at those RPM levels.
 
frosty_the_punk said:
My bad, the 60404 has a basic operating range of 2200-6400 which sounds a little high to me.

If you're planning on getting the rotating assembly balanced and willing to use aftermarket pistons and conrods, It would be a heck of a lot safer at those RPM levels.
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I'm new to the cam stuff and learning lots thanks to all you teachers out there.
But the Hughes cam you recomended, operating rpm didn't start till 2300... So wouldn't the voodoo be better. Sorry if I'm not making sense and I know the voodoo lays out 6200. But isn't the voodoo a greater power curve.
Once again sorry if I'm not making sesnse.
 
frosty_the_punk said:
The smallest one, 279TH7

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=637&sb=2

People think these things are mild and "just for show" because of the marketing surrounding them but it's actually a pretty decent performer, looking at the specs you can see why!
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I saw one guy on here that owns a machine shop/engine builder and was requested to put the whiplash cam in. He said he was against at first But after they dynoed it they were all extremely impressed. And now recommends it.
 
340Duster247 said:
I don't have the money to roller it. :( or of course I would.
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No disrespect,but it looks like you got some learning to do on cams.
A solid cam uses solid lifters and adjustable rocker arms. This is how you adjust the valves. The gap between the rocker and valve is known as valve lash.
Generally,high performance engines run solid cams.

Having said that.
My choice for you would be one of these 2.
Comp XE268
Comp XE274
Both from the Extreme Energy line.
Both are hydraulic cams,and work really well.

Comp Cams,Lunati (Voodoo),Hughes,make great cams.
But what ever cam you chose you need to call them,and work with them.
You need to give them every detail you can about your car,and let them help you choose a cam. They are the experts in the field.

And what ever you do...Do not buy a cam for sound.
 
340Duster247 said:
I totally agree with you. My last duster project many years ago was a 318 bored 30 over. I went with a mild cam that had very lil sound. It performed amazing for a 318. But was very disappointing in traffic or a local car show when it didn't sound like much at all.
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I really could careless what my car sounds like at the local car hop.
Putting the smack down on the cars at the car hop is what matters. :glasses7:
 
Johnny Dart said:
No disrespect,but it looks like you got some learning to do on cams.
A solid cam uses solid lifters and adjustable rocker arms. This is how you adjust the valves. The gap between the rocker and valve is known as valve lash.
Generally,high performance engines run solid cams.

Having said that.
My choice for you would be one of these 2.
Comp XE268
Comp XE274
Both from the Extreme Energy line.
Both are hydraulic cams,and work really well.

Comp Cams,Lunati (Voodoo),Hughes,make great cams.
But what ever cam you chose you need to call them,and work with them.
You need to give them every detail you can about your car,and let them help you choose a cam. They are the experts in the field.

And what ever you do...Do not buy a cam for sound.
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I read his message wrong when I first read it, and your right I do have a lot to learn. I know about adjustable rocker arms and solid cams but I haven't been paying attention to anything other then hydraulic flat tappet. I guess maybe I've always been led that changing away from that would be getting a lot more pricey
Now I know not to choose a cam for sound. I explained that earlier, but how often now a days are we actually "ripping around the streets" and racing. Even getting to use all this insane power we have...and where I live in Calgary we recently lost our race track and don't even have a strip to race. I never said at any point I was choosing a cam for SOUND I said my last built 318 I built had a lot more mild cam that performed very well, but sounded like nothing special. Yes the car went amazing for a 318!! But when I wasn't racing, who cares it sounded like a kitten. We all like a bad bass sounding car, we all love lots of power. But I'm gonna hear my car and be cruising it more then I'm gonna be racing it.
Just because you want a nasty sounding motor. Dosent mean you haven to sacrifice power. Hell, lots of my friends cars sound amazing and there fast and powerful!
Once again I am not gonna choose a cam for sound, I'm gonna choose a cam that will benefit me the most for both power and drivability, yet also make a statement when I'm idling at the light

I'm gonna check out that cam quest at comp cams
 
Sounds like a whiplash or thumper cam will be perfect for you.
Good luck.
 
Thanks johnny dart. I'm gonna do a lil more learning before I make a decision.
 
340Duster247 said:
Thanks johnny dart. I'm gonna do a lil more learning before I make a decision.
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There you go.
By the way,just kidding on the thumper and whiplash. Those would be the last cams I would put in a car.
Look into the XE cams I suggested. I run the XE268 in my 360. Sounds good and pulls strong. And again,Lunati and Hughes also make great cams.
Get on the phone and talk with them. Make a decision after that.
Cheers.
 
The cam in my 340 (yes that's a camaro but its the same cam and engine setup).

[ame="http://youtu.be/jifx49pnUIA"]302 Found[/ame]
 
340Duster247 said:
My camshaft shortlist

Lunati voodoo 60404
Hughes whiplash
Comp big mother thumpr
Comp he275hl
Mopar purple 284/484

Add a cam that you think would be a better choice if you don't agree with any of these
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Maybe it's just my bad experiences talking but I'd stay as far away as physically possible from any new Purple Shaft cams, I had 2 go flat in my 1988 Dakota project (one after about 10 miles post break-in and then the other during break in) and on top of that my friend had one go sour in his Ramcharger around the same time. I'm sure the older ones are fine but my first cam that crapped out was bought in 2006 or so and then the other two were 2010 or 2011. Just my .02
 
Now I know not to choose a cam for sound. I explained that earlier, but how often now a days are we actually "ripping around the streets" and racing. I think you misunderstand - the loss of raspy sound is accompanied by a better throttle response and low and mid-range power. This is the real power you will use every day - racing or not.

But when I wasn't racing, who cares it sounded like a kitten. We all like a bad bass sounding car, we all love lots of power. But I'm gonna hear my car and be cruising it more then I'm gonna be racing it.
I bent custom exhaust for a while when I was younger. A good exhaust guy can taylor the sound so even a smooth running engine sounds bad ***. I had a Dart with a bone stock long block 383 with a small purple shaft in it that sounded amazing even with full stock type mufflers. If it's sound and attitude you want, get it from the parts that make sound.

Just because you want a nasty sounding motor. Dosent mean you haven to sacrifice power. Hell, lots of my friends cars sound amazing and there fast and powerful! I agree - fast and powerful is cool, sounding wicked is cool. But as you noted you will not be at full throttle that much. So IMO the approach is to get the right sort of power for you, and plenty of snap when you are full throttle. The guy next to you at the light will be looking at the car anyway.
 
340Duster247 said:
Hahahaha that's awesome.
This is why I'm asking your guys advice. I want a trust worthy cam that can play its part but also sound killer.
No matter what anyone on here says. We all love that lumpy cam sound.
My buddies mild built small block Chevelle runs low 12s and sounds amazing.
We've got a lil competition going on now

Here's a video of it. It's not a mopar but sounds great

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums...ABA2164C-830-00000094B3F203FD_zps00898713.mp4
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Not a Chevy guy but nice Beaumont! Sounds good too. tmm
 
340Duster247 said:
Been looking at several cams since I need to rebuild my 340.
My 340 duster has rpm air gap, 2800 stall, 2.02 J heads, 3.91 gears. Gonna be bored .30over.
Has anyone used a whiplash cam from hughes.
This cam is on my shortlist


Sounds clips please if any of your guys have some
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I have this exact same setup in my 67 Dart with a crane cam I bought back in the '90's. I have another 340 that will be built using the same parts but a different cam. I called comp cams to see what they recommended. They got all the info about my car and they suggested the XE274. Just for kicks ( guess it's just natural for me to ask about the next size up cam ) I asked about the XE275HL. He said that cam would work fine but with stock 340 heads the .525" lift would be more than the heads could handle, so I wouldn't see any real benefit unless I did a little bit of massaging to the heads. So I decided to do the extra work to the heads and have bought the XE275HL kit. Here is a video with a Edelbrock headed 360 with the XE275HL. He is also a member here. His screen name is Sport 360. Here is a link of a before and after picture of his Dart. http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=163454
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbaR0CuWG4g"]Dart Sport 360 XE275XL Comp Cams Idle - YouTube[/ame]
 
Here is a hughes 318 whiplash idling.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PN8Cr0h1G8&feature=player_embedded"]'74 318 Plymouth Duster with Hughes Whiplash Cam Startup (Open Headers) - YouTube[/ame]
 
duster360 said:
I have this exact same setup in my 67 Dart with a crane cam I bought back in the '90's. I have another 340 that will be built using the same parts but a different cam. I called comp cams to see what they recommended. They got all the info about my car and they suggested the XE274. Just for kicks ( guess it's just natural for me to ask about the next size up cam ) I asked about the XE275HL. He said that cam would work fine but with stock 340 heads the .525" lift would be more than the heads could handle, so I wouldn't see any real benefit unless I did a little bit of massaging to the heads. So I decided to do the extra work to the heads and have bought the XE275HL kit. Here is a video with a Edelbrock headed 360 with the XE275HL. He is also a member here. His screen name is Sport 360. Here is a link of a before and after picture of his Dart. http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=163454
Dart Sport 360 XE275XL Comp Cams Idle - YouTube
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Thanks everyone for all the responses. I looked at this cam too(xe275hl). Seems like I should stay away from whiplash/thumper/purple.

This is all great Info!! And it's helping a lot. I'm definety torn between lunati and comp cams now.
 
So after lots of investigating and taking great advice from you guys I've come up with 2 cams that match great for my set up and are very similar. Is one of these better then the other from your experience?

Comp xe275hl

Duration @50. 231/237
Duration seat to seat 275/287
Valve lift. .525/.525
Lobe cent. 110
In. Cent. 106


Lunati vodoo 60404

[email protected]. 234/242
Duration 276/284
Valve lift. 513/533
Lobe cent. 110
In cent. 106
 
340Duster247 said:
So after lots of investigating and taking great advice from you guys I've come up with 3 cams that match great for my set up and are very similar. Is one of these better then the other from your experience?

Comp xe275hl

Duration @50. 231/237
Duration seat to seat 275/287
Valve lift. .525/.525
Lobe cent. 110
In. Cent. 106


Lunati vodoo 60404

[email protected]. 234/242
Duration 276/284
Valve lift. 513/533
Lobe cent. 110
In cent. 106

And the Comp cam xe284h
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