318 power!

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tony built that motor with the .007 bearing clearance on that 318 nick ran on his channel... i wouldn't let him build anything and i'm a hack... And andy should be the one butthurt after handing over 5k to a near stock 318 :)
 
Dartswinger70 said:
Uncle Tony got a "sore hiney" in Andy Wood's comment section of his last video. Andy said in the video basically that"it's a waste of time to massage stock 318 parts,it wont make 300 HP..."
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Wow... that is some serious bullshit justification....
 
Dartswinger70 said:
Uncle Tony got a "sore hiney" in Andy Wood's comment section of his last video. Andy said in the video basically that"it's a waste of time to massage stock 318 parts,it wont make 300 HP..."
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Stock 318. Aftermarket pistons but still in the whole? But they are replacing the rods with ones longer to zero deck it? WTF are they thinking. DV polished the beams on that stock rod because he could and it didn't cost anything but time. It will make the rod stronger but it won't increase the performance. He could recondition the rod and add a new set of ARP bolts and it would be good to 400+ HP. Oh, and I didn't know that a larger bore increases compression. WTF
 
toolmanmike said:
Stock 318. Aftermarket pistons but still in the whole? But they are replacing the rods with ones longer to zero deck it? WTF are they thinking. DV polished the beams on that stock rod because he could and it didn't cost anything but time. It will make the rod stronger but it won't increase the performance. He could recondition the rod and add a new set of ARP bolts and it would be good to 400+ HP. Oh, and I didn't know that a larger bore increases compression. WTF
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Yeah.. it might as well be a build on powernation now....

I stopped watching these guys over a year ago and this is reminding me why
 
Icetech said:
and why is that motor taking sooo long..
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Because it is a side project there spending they’re own money on. Money making work first, charity project second.

My feelings on this build….

Once the project to a turn into aftermarket pistons- which were donated, not a catalog off the shelf purchase and then the aftermarket rods came in for the icing on the cake, IMO, it got killed there and killed there dead as a door nail.

I was upset at the donated piston deal. That right there, that left the project idea in the dust. It became disinterested. I really wanted to see the stock pistons, or the direct replacement stock pistons used. It would be a truly low compression engine. IDK how far you can go with milling the block and heads to get anywhere. I myself wouldn’t go nuts over it.

Now, if they also just agreed on dumping the 2bbl carb and intake from the get go, I’d say even with an 8-1 ratio they could make 300 hp. It would need sizable camshaft though with as cast OEM heads. Speaking of which.

Personally I would have never ported the 318 heads and even more so with the valve size limitations. A challenge it is! Charlie put in a **** ton of time on this. I also don’t think anyone here would put that much effort into a OEM head. Some bowl work maybe??? IDK!!!

I myself would walk right on over to the aluminum head isle.
 
Icetech said:
Yeah.. it might as well be a build on powernation now....

I stopped watching these guys over a year ago and this is reminding me why
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It’s annoying to watch those shows because it seems like everything magically appears with zero effort. I think being bank rolled by the company and given parts (when that happens.) is an unrealistic show. Not that it isn’t a plausible build that copied now! It just makes the show look candied assed back by a rich uncle for a spoiled kid saying give me give me give me….
 
We shall see I suppose. I hope its done in a year. Servedio has to be about wrapped up with the top end flow bench tests.
 
Dartswinger70 said:
We shall see I suppose. I hope its done in a year. Servedio has to be about wrapped up with the top end flow bench tests.
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Transportation of the heads is happening on this Monday coming if all goes according to plan.
 
GTX JOHN said that his 318 has a compression ratio of 8.5:1. I used the Wallace Dynamic Compression Ratio Calculator, I put in all of the required information, I used a 72* ivc because he said that his cam has lots of duration so I checked out cams and the one's that had 300 plus degrees of duration had at least 72* ivc. After I entered all of the information the Calculator shows a Dynamic compression ratio of 6.37:1 which equals a cranking pressure of 108.24 psi. I'm not saying that his car doesn't run 10's. I'm asking how can a engine make the power it needs to move a 3400 pound car into the 10 second zone with a low dcr? Again, this is only a question, I'm not saying that he didn't run those times
 
Dan the man said:
GTX JOHN said that his 318 has a compression ratio of 8.5:1. I used the Wallace Dynamic Compression Ratio Calculator, I put in all of the required information, I used a 72* ivc because he said that his cam has lots of duration so I checked out cams and the one's that had 300 plus degrees of duration had at least 72* ivc. After I entered all of the information the Calculator shows a Dynamic compression ratio of 6.37:1 which equals a cranking pressure of 108.24 psi. I'm not saying that his car doesn't run 10's. I'm asking how can a engine make the power it needs to move a 3400 pound car into the 10 second zone with a low dcr? Again, this is only a question, I'm not saying that he didn't run those times
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Lots of RPM!
 
Dan the man said:
GTX JOHN said that his 318 has a compression ratio of 8.5:1. I used the Wallace Dynamic Compression Ratio Calculator, I put in all of the required information, I used a 72* ivc because he said that his cam has lots of duration so I checked out cams and the one's that had 300 plus degrees of duration had at least 72* ivc. After I entered all of the information the Calculator shows a Dynamic compression ratio of 6.37:1 which equals a cranking pressure of 108.24 psi. I'm not saying that his car doesn't run 10's. I'm asking how can a engine make the power it needs to move a 3400 pound car into the 10 second zone with a low dcr? Again, this is only a question, I'm not saying that he didn't run those times
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The thing is that Stock and Super Stock have a nominal compression ratio and they get a point over that. If his engine builder has his **** together then it’s a point over nominal.

So your math with 8.5:1 isn’t valid.
 
Newbomb Turk said:
The thing is that Stock and Super Stock have a nominal compression ratio and they get a point over that. If his engine builder has his **** together then it’s a point over nominal.

So your math with 8.5:1 isn’t valid.
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He said that it had a 8.5:1 compression ratio, had nothing to do with my math.
 
Dan the man said:
GTX JOHN said that his 318 has a compression ratio of 8.5:1. I used the Wallace Dynamic Compression Ratio Calculator, I put in all of the required information, I used a 72* ivc because he said that his cam has lots of duration so I checked out cams and the one's that had 300 plus degrees of duration had at least 72* ivc. After I entered all of the information the Calculator shows a Dynamic compression ratio of 6.37:1 which equals a cranking pressure of 108.24 psi. I'm not saying that his car doesn't run 10's. I'm asking how can an engine make the power it needs to move a 3400 pound car into the 10 second zone with a low dcr? Again, this is only a question, I'm not saying that he didn't run those times
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It’s all in what you don’t understand and I’m not the best at it ether. However, when you start in with the math, the correct numbers have to be entered and not assumed. Fact check his cam card and what he did with it installed wise.

To much faith in calculators is a huge problem.
And then you all wonder why I give AJ a “So-called hard time.”
Newbomb Turk said:
The thing is that Stock and Super Stock have a nominal compression ratio and they get a point over that. If his engine builder has his **** together then it’s a point over nominal.

So your math with 8.5:1 isn’t valid.
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Stock, super stock, FAST, defying all calculations and the odds that they can run fast. So many fail to realize there are tricks to be done that actually work great and the average guys do not account for it. It’s not a regular and widely accept way to go fast.
It tends to freak people out and keep them confused and assuming.
 
273 said:
What lsa?

It’s not impossible to make hp with low cr it’s just gonna make more with higher cr.
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I'm not saying that it's impossible to make hp with a low cr. The
rumblefish360 said:
It’s all in what you don’t understand and I’m not the best at it ether. However, when you start in with the math, the correct numbers have to be entered and not assumed. Fact check his cam card and what he did with it installed wise.

To much faith in calculators is a huge problem.
And then you all wonder why I give AJ a “So-called hard time.”


Stock, super stock, FAST, defying all calculations and the odds that they can run fast. So many fail to realize there are tricks to be done that actually work great and the average guys do not account for it. It’s not a regular and widely accept way to go fast.
It tends to freak people out and keep them confused and assuming.
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Please explain the term Stock. Sounds like those 302 heads are a good way to go for better performance
 
Dan the man said:
I'm not saying that it's impossible to make hp with a low cr. The

Please explain the term Stock. Sounds like those 302 heads are a good way to go for better performance
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Thanks @Mattax for posting that. Such a simple and honest question has so many rules explaining stuff.

Dan, I wouldn’t touch 302 heads if you paid me to run them. If you produce a 6 figure envelope, don’t expect me to campaign a season!

IF you want to increase the performance of any engine, but we will focus on the 318 for the moment specifically, I’ll tell you what I would do and that would be a set of Edelbrock heads. I’m not a big Speedmaster fan. BUT! If the work ($$$$$$) for you, go right ahead.

Screw J heads, to much work for a smaller payout than an aluminum head.
 
uh oh, looks like Matey Dan™ is back in port after his 3 1/2 seas voyage and was reading up while at sea!
 
rumblefish360 said:
Thanks @Mattax for posting that. Such a simple and honest question has so many rules explaining stuff.

Dan, I wouldn’t touch 302 heads if you paid me to run them. If you produce a 6 figure envelope, don’t expect me to campaign a season!

IF you want to increase the performance of any engine, but we will focus on the 318 for the moment specifically, I’ll tell you what I would do and that would be a set of Edelbrock heads. I’m not a big Speedmaster fan. BUT! If the work ($$$$$$) for you, go right ahead.

Screw J heads, to much work for a smaller payout than an aluminum head.
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IF, and only if, you already had some 302 heads that were done and ready to rock or found some at bargain basement prices and the rest of your build was budget oriented and designed around them, then sure, i'd run them with the caveats that: 1. i'm not racing, b. i'm not expecting world beating power and III. i didn't have another option that was basically free.

there's just so many other options that are objectively better that require basically zero specialist work and have the potential to make gobs more power.
 
junkyardhero said:
IF, and only if, you already had some 302 heads that were done and ready to rock or found some at bargain basement prices and the rest of your build was budget oriented and designed around them, then sure, i'd run them with the caveats that: 1. i'm not racing, b. i'm not expecting world beating power and III. i didn't have another option that was basically free.

there's just so many other options that are objectively better that require basically zero specialist work and have the potential to make gobs more power.
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Like edelbrock heads
 
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