440 Source Head Opinions?

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ultimatejay said:
So you support China? Would you if you could rather buy American made products?
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I think we all would but I’ll give you an example of where I was 20-30 years ago. Up till that point I ran mostly stock junk because I couldn’t afford Venolla Pistons, Calais Cranks, or 1400.00 rods. At the time I’d gone 9.80’s but wanted to go quicker so I bought a lightweight Daytona. Soon I wanted to go faster again and along came 440source. Bingo I could finally afford the needed parts to go faster on a budget. Up till that point everytime I went to rebuild my engine my stock crank had cracks in them so on the scrap pile they went. Sure it was cheap and easy to grab another stock crank and have it magnifluxed, polished or cut, and then rebalanced to my assembly weight. But soon those cranks weren’t available for 50.00 any more and machine shop prices were climbing so I bought a 500 stroke assembly and beat the piss out of it. Today it is still cranking out rpm in a street car. So if you want to Think I’m a “bad man” I can live with that. Bash on.
 
PRH said:
I’m a realist.

I buy American when I can, if I can afford it.

But I’m not going to buy a $3500 Bryant crank and a set of $1800 Oliver billet rods to build a 650hp stroker.

For an application where Stealth heads would fit the needs of the build, I’d use Edelbrocks instead.
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Thats fair, all I know for me when it comes to high stress components like engine parts, transmission parts, fuel lines and anything safety related, I dont skimp out on cheap China crap. Their metal is terrible. I would rather save up the money and do it right. If you dont have enough money to put quality parts in your engine then you should look into a cheaper brand/build. Theres a reason some people drive Ferraris and others drive Corollas. Live within your means.
 
ultimatejay said:
Thats fair, all I know for me when it comes to high stress components like engine parts, transmission parts, fuel lines and anything safety related, I dont skimp out on cheap China crap. Their metal is terrible. I would rather save up the money and do it right. If you dont have enough money to put quality parts in your engine then you should look into a cheaper brand/build. Theres a reason some people drive Ferraris and others drive Corollas. Live within your means.
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A corrola will outlast a Ferrari
 
ultimatejay said:
Thats fair, all I know for me when it comes to high stress components like engine parts, transmission parts, fuel lines and anything safety related, I dont skimp out on cheap China crap. Their metal is terrible. I would rather save up the money and do it right. If you dont have enough money to put quality parts in your engine then you should look into a cheaper brand/build. Theres a reason some people drive Ferraris and others drive Corollas. Live within your means.
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You sure like to push your opinion. We all don’t think a like thank God. But I would like to have an up close look at your vehicles and home. I’m just kinda curious do you race and if so how fast do you go?
 
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pittsburghracer said:
You sure like to push your opinion. We all don’t think a like thank God. But I would like to have an up close look at your vehicles and home. I’m just kinda curious do you race and if so how fast do you go?
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I gave up racing several years ago because here in California we have a bunch of Liberal waste of space tree huggers that have closed down pretty much every race track and those that are open have no real racing venues. I drag raced and built a 1972 Mazda RX2 with a 1.3liter rotary engine naturally aspirated and ran a world record. I built everything on the car and tuned it- all built not bought. Heres the vid of the record at that time. Pretty fast for natuarally aspirated 1.3 liter. See my license plate- I hurt a lot of V8 hearts.
 
ultimatejay said:
I gave up racing several years ago because here in California we have a bunch of Liberal waste of space tree huggers that have closed down pretty much every race track and those that are open have no real racing venues. I drag raced and built a 1972 Mazda RX2 with a 1.3liter rotary engine naturally aspirated and ran a world record. I built everything on the car and tuned it- all built not bought. Heres the vid of the record at that time. Pretty fast for natuarally aspirated 1.3 liter. See my license plate- I hurt a lot of V8 hearts.
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Sorry not interested in that brand of car so I won’t waste my time watching. So now you just hang out on Mopar sites and tell others what to buy. Zzzzzz. Sounds like a great time to me.
 
pittsburghracer said:
Sorry not interested in that brand of car so I won’t waste my time watching. So now you just hang out on Mopar sites and tell others what to buy. Zzzzzz. Sounds like a great time to me.
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I now have 1970 Duster that I'm building with my son. It has a slant 6 in it for now but it will soon have a built 440 in it. Would you like to see a pic or that doesnt interest you? BTW, you're just pissed my little 1.3 liter rotary is faster than your build v8 lol
 
I wonder if anyone realizes North America is already owned by china. Aka Walmart mentality.

As for 440source heads. I would buy them in a heartbeat instead of rebuilding a set of cast heads. I would not personally touch Edelbrock stuff because they left a bad taste in my mouth. Besides they are just a conglomerate that does not care about you or I
 
ultimatejay said:
I now have 1970 Duster that I'm building with my son. It has a slant 6 in it for now but it will soon have a built 440 in it. Would you like to see a pic or that doesnt interest you? BTW, you're just pissed my little 1.3 liter rotary is faster than your build v8 lol
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I just have zero interest in those cars, sorry. Now the 70 Duster I would like to see.
 
ultimatejay said:
I now have 1970 Duster that I'm building with my son. It has a slant 6 in it for now but it will soon have a built 440 in it. Would you like to see a pic or that doesnt interest you? BTW, you're just pissed my little 1.3 liter rotary is faster than your build v8 lol
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Everytime I see a rotary at the track I don't even bother getting in the staging lanes because I know the red lights are going to flash and cleanup takes forever. And how many times do you guy's tear those apart? Seems like they're always pulling them out .
 
thesiren74 said:
Everytime I see a rotary at the track I don't even bother getting in the staging lanes because I know the red lights are going to flash and cleanup takes forever. And how many times do you guy's tear those apart? Seems like they're always pulling them out .
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I ran 7 years on the same engine with not one blow up or leak but my engine was naturally aspirated. Naturally aspirated rotaries are actually very reliable and if they ever do blow up they never leak oil. The 787b won 24hr la mans because it was the most reliable engine, not because it was the fastest. Now on the other hand when you add a bunch of boost, these engines were not made to hold 60+lbs of boost like some of these guys are running crazy boost and crazy times 6.00 in the 1/4 mile! What happens is the housing twist and crack and the oil feed is exposed and sprays oil. Now with billet technology today they are making all these parts out of billet and the breakage is much less with the turbo cars. But just like top fuel, if you are running on the very limits, stuff is going to break. Thats why I went all motor because no way I had the time or money to build engines all the time.
 
ultimatejay said:
I ran 7 years on the same engine with not one blow up or leak but my engine was naturally aspirated. Naturally aspirated rotaries are actually very reliable and if they ever do blow up they never leak oil. The 787b won 24hr la mans because it was the most reliable engine, not because it was the fastest. Now on the other hand when you add a bunch of boost, these engines were not made to hold 60+lbs of boost like some of these guys are running crazy boost and crazy times 6.00 in the 1/4 mile! What happens is the housing twist and crack and the oil feed is exposed and sprays oil. Now with billet technology today they are making all these parts out of billet and the breakage is much less with the turbo cars. But just like top fuel, if you are running on the very limits, stuff is going to break. Thats why I went all motor because no way I had the time or money to build engines all the time.
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They also hit the walls.
 
ultimatejay said:
I ran 7 years on the same engine with not one blow up or leak but my engine was naturally aspirated. Naturally aspirated rotaries are actually very reliable and if they ever do blow up they never leak oil. The 787b won 24hr la mans because it was the most reliable engine, not because it was the fastest. Now on the other hand when you add a bunch of boost, these engines were not made to hold 60+lbs of boost like some of these guys are running crazy boost and crazy times 6.00 in the 1/4 mile! What happens is the housing twist and crack and the oil feed is exposed and sprays oil. Now with billet technology today they are making all these parts out of billet and the breakage is much less with the turbo cars. But just like top fuel, if you are running on the very limits, stuff is going to break. Thats why I went all motor because no way I had the time or money to build engines all the time.
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Shouldn't you put the best in it? Like you said? Or build something else.
 
thesiren74 said:
Shouldn't you put the best in it? Like you said? Or build something else.
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I did have the best. I had ceramic apex seals and my housings were all aluminum and the best of best parts inside and on the engine and car. The Transmission was a Liberty 5 speed clutchless- the same trans used in Pro stock. You dont run world records on cheap parts
 
I’m interested in other types of cars, I followed the guy from Boosted Boys run the car he built in high school at SICK week, he had a 9 second average and completed the drive. He also has a rear wheel drive Toyota that has 1200 hp at the tire, 7 second runs with a 2.2 liter Honda. The thing I find funny is the race parts for the imports are made in the U.S..
 
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Oldiron440 said:
I’m interested in other types of cars, I followed the guy from Boosted Boys run the car he built in high school at SICK week, he had a 9 second average and completed the drive. He also has a rear wheel drive Toyota that has 2100 hp at the tire, 7 second runs with a 2.2 liter Honda. The thing I find funny is the race parts for the imports are made in the U.S..
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Me too, I like all cars but like the odd balls like rotaries. Love all muscle cars
BTW- the fast import car parts are mostly made in the USA because they are all billet made now. Billet blocks to hold upwards of 80+psi of boost!!!!
 
ultimatejay said:
I did have the best. I had ceramic apex seals and my housings were all aluminum and the best of best parts inside and on the engine and car. The Transmission was a Liberty 5 speed clutchless- the same trans used in Pro stock. You dont run world records on cheap parts
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Should've kept going .
 
Still for an average guy who doesn't want to break records and just drive their car stealth heads are excellent.
 
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