516 head question

[qkcuda]

I did a compression test on my 361 and found one low cylinder, so I am getting ready to have the original 516 heads redone. Nothing fancy, perhaps change out the 1.60 exhaust valves for 1.74's. I was thinking just a 3 angle valve and a plunge cut, and then just blending out any ridges left behind. I have been doing some reading indicating you have to be careful or you can get into water on these heads. I am enclosing a picture I found showing the kind of plunge cut I am talking about. There seems to be quite a hump in the stock exhaust port right next to the intake valve. Is this where they are thin, and should I be concerned about the plunge cut?

 

[1968rt]

Going to 1.74 shouldn't be a problem unless the head has a bad case of core shift. I've done it a few times never had a problem. Even went to 1.81 a few times. Blend the sharp edges and you will be fine. 2.14s and 1.81 on these heads.

 

[qkcuda]

Thanks, I am not as concerned with the seats themselves, as the area in the throat that the arrow is pointing to. I did this previously with a set of 452 heads, where I also installed 2.14/1.81 valves. Just a bit concerned that the 516's may be different.

 

[PRH]

There seems to be quite a hump in the stock exhaust port right next to the intake valve.

If you had to guess....... what do you think is on the other side of that bulge....... considering it’s on a wall in the exhaust port(the hottest part of the head).

 

[qkcuda]

Point taken

 

[chuckl]

I did a compression test on my 361 and found one low cylinder, so I am getting ready to have the original 516 heads redone. Nothing fancy, perhaps change out the 1.60 exhaust valves for 1.74's. I was thinking just a 3 angle valve and a plunge cut, and then just blending out any ridges left behind. I have been doing some reading indicating you have to be careful or you can get into water on these heads. I am enclosing a picture I found showing the kind of plunge cut I am talking about. There seems to be quite a hump in the stock exhaust port right next to the intake valve. Is this where they are thin, and should I be concerned about the plunge cut?

View attachment 1715665651

I have done a number of sets of 516 heads and they can be made to work pretty good. The flow characteristics are totally different than the 915 and 906 heads and if you know how to port, they can work good. You have to be careful on plunge cutting those exhaust ports because that is the area that goes into water. Any core shift and you can have a hole.

 

[qkcuda]

Sounds like it will be more hand work, but that's OK I've done it before. My main objective will be flow under .450 lift, since it will be getting a pretty small cam.

 

[RustyRatRod]

@IQ52 May can shed some light. What say you, Jim?

 

[oldkimmer]

Dave, when u consider that a small block only has 1.60 ex valve even for a 408 build u will be good as u r. I myself wouldn’t go bigger on the ex valve. Kim

 

[qkcuda]

Just thinking about that too. Less material to remove under the valve. A lot will depend on the condition of the seats.

 

[IQ52]

@IQ52 May can shed some light. What say you, Jim?

Cody fiddled with the 516's a little bit on the low compression 440 tests. He is in the mountains with his wife today or I could ask him more. I believe we put stock 1.74 valves in the heads and he did some porting.

Lift..............IN/EX
.200........160/132
.300........210/182
.400........237/203
.500........250/216

The engine had a 509 cam with a MP M1 single plane, a 850 Mighty Demon and our dyno headers.

Test (1) stock 906 heads @ 7.45:1 compression. Test (2) ported 516 @ 7.9:1 compression.

RPM...........#(1)HP...............#(2)HP.........HP gain/loss
4,900..........387....................428.................+41
5,300..........377....................449.................+72

Peak to Peak gain (387 to 449) was 62 HP. So under the above circumstances ported 516 heads made a significant difference.

 

[oldkimmer]

Wow, that’s great. Kim

 

[MOPARMAGA]

won't you end up,spending more money on heavy iron than something new aluminum, lighter, cooler, & flow much better, I bought a set of 440source heads $1000, had them checked out & they needed nothing. I had a machine shop quote me over $1200 to redo some iron heads. Read that as I had the iron head quote 1st lol.

 

[qkcuda]

I have a rough quote of $500 on the valve job. The problem is here in Canada you have to add about 40 percent between exchange and shipping to anything you order. The extra porting work will be done by me. I'm not going to go crazy, I just can't leave anything alone.

 

[RustyRatRod]

won't you end up,spending more money on heavy iron than something new aluminum, lighter, cooler, & flow much better, I bought a set of 440source heads $1000, had them checked out & they needed nothing. I had a machine shop quote me over $1200 to redo some iron heads. Read that as I had the iron head quote 1st lol.

Yeah but you have to have that thousand all up front to buy heads, while you can pay a little along for a shop to build a set.

 

[MOPARMAGA]

I have a rough quote of $500 on the valve job. The problem is here in Canada you have to add about 40 percent between exchange and shipping to anything you order. The extra porting work will be done by me. I'm not going to go crazy, I just can't leave anything alone.

Yep, I get that. That's not a bad price either.

 

[MOPARMAGA]

Yeah but you have to have that thousand all up front to buy heads, while you can pay a little along for a shop to build a set.

Yeah that is true.

 

[Cartel]

I did a compression test on my 361 and found one low cylinder, so I am getting ready to have the original 516 heads redone. Nothing fancy, perhaps change out the 1.60 exhaust valves for 1.74's. I was thinking just a 3 angle valve and a plunge cut, and then just blending out any ridges left behind. I have been doing some reading indicating you have to be careful or you can get into water on these heads. I am enclosing a picture I found showing the kind of plunge cut I am talking about. There seems to be quite a hump in the stock exhaust port right next to the intake valve. Is this where they are thin, and should I be concerned about the plunge cut?

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how did you make out with the 516's?
I am in the same boat rebuilding 516's with 1.74 and want to use 911 springs.
Cant find much help on particulars.

 

[MOPARMAGA]

how did you make out with the 516's?
I am in the same boat rebuilding 516's with 1.74 and want to use 911 springs.
Cant find much help on particulars.

What kind of particulars are you looking to find help with ?

 

[qkcuda]

I was worried about them being too thin so I didn't end up doing the plunge cut and larger valves in the 516's, just a quick clean up with a cartridge roll. I did do the plunge cut and a lot of grinding on a pair of 346's for my 400 build, but I retained the stock valves. The pictures loaded out of order. The 516's are in the middle.

 

[Cartel]

What kind of particulars are you looking to find help with ?

The springs want a 1.9 installed height.
I got ferrea 5055 and 5054 stainless 3/8 valves.

COMP Cams 911-16 springs
COMP Cams 612-16 - COMP Cams Super Valve Locks
COMP Cams tool steel Retainers 1732-16

I am trying to research if these will all be happy together on the 516 heads as I cant mill down into the spring pads.
I thought if I could get some info on what others have used I could connect the dots. From what I read, the retainers will add .125 to the height so it might be perfect or a shim will make it so. I just dont want to be short because the spring pressure will increase

 

[PRH]

I can’t imagine that package of parts having less than 1.900” IH.
You’ll likely end up needing to shim to get there.

 

[MOPARMAGA]

The springs want a 1.9 installed height.
I got ferrah 5055 and 5054 stainless 3/8 valves.

COMP Cams 911-16 springs
COMP Cams 612-16 - COMP Cams Super Valve Locks
COMP Cams tool steel Retainers 1732-16

I am trying to research if these will all be happy together on the 516 heads as I cant mill down into the spring pads.
I thought if I could get some info on what others have used I could connect the dots. From what I read, the retainers will add .125 to the height so it might be perfect or a shim will make it so. I just dont want to be short because the spring pressure will increase

Are the stems factory lengths?
I can see if I have some of those springs at work and measure the installed height of the springs.
I'll let you know what I figure out .

 

[Cartel]

Are the stems factory lengths?
I can see if I have some of those springs at work and measure the installed height of the springs.
I'll let you know what I figure out .

thank you for the replies

they are single square groove

440 Cid (3/8)
Intake Valve
Head Diameter: 2.080
Stem Diameter: 3/8
Overall Length: 4.875
Tip Length: 0.290
References: 12 Degree Super Flo



440 Cid (3/8)
Exhaust Valve
Head Diameter: 1.74
Stem Diameter: 3/8
Overall Length: 4.91
Tip Length: 0.290
References: 14 Degree Super Flo

 

[MOPARMAGA]

thank you for the replies

they are single square groove

440 Cid (3/8)
Intake Valve
Head Diameter: 2.080
Stem Diameter: 3/8
Overall Length: 4.875
Tip Length: 0.290
References: 12 Degree Super Flo



440 Cid (3/8)
Exhaust Valve
Head Diameter: 1.74
Stem Diameter: 3/8
Overall Length: 4.91
Tip Length: 0.290
References: 14 Degree Super Flo

Thank you