Alternator Relocation to avoid frame rail

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Different OD. Underdriver/overdrive ratios. We use a 5.7 vvt damper on a 6.4 daily. Bolts right on. Different size OD

Those bolt to the head. Maybe non vvt heads stick out more than vvt heads, or vice versa.

Probably just needs a few spacers to eat the belt spacing up. One of Our front pulley suppliers offer a single kit for both, with spacers for vvt.

Like you said, not arguing, or anything at all. All friendly here. Just trying to help you. Chrysler never made anything easy. That's for sure. ! Good luck

Hey @Johnny Mac, thought you might find this thread interesting along with anyone else looking at an '09-10 5.7.

Tripped over this randomly.

 
Hey @Johnny Mac, thought you might find this thread interesting along with anyone else looking at an '09-10 5.7.

Tripped over this randomly.

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Wow that's an oldie! Completely forgot about that. First hemi I built! Good find. I did remember tripping over the spacing, but I thought I concluded it was a 2010 6.1 liter engine throwing my data off. Maybe you are right and there is some odd duck spacing issues in there on the damper or water pump. Sorry for any misinformation I gave!
 
I've been struggling with routing the oil lines to a remote oil filter I'm hoping to locate on the right side frame rail between the rad and the front of the strut rod. I'm using TTI spool mounts on a 73-76 A-body. The problem is getting (2) -10 hoses past the stock 2014 alternator. I was willing to try the Jeep alternator because it mounts slightly higher and inboard.

Well...I ordered the Jeep alternator from E-bay and it arrived yesterday. It sat half a rainy day on the front porch and was damaged in shipment by Fedex. The output stud was bent, rendering it unusable. I offered it up on the engine right before bedtime and went to bed hopeful I could make it work. The box includes a sheet showing the tested alternator output.

This afternoon I took a closer look. It still interfered with my 68 A-body frame rail though not as much as the 2014 VVT alternator. The actual interference was only the underlying piece of steel that forms the rail flange. I zipped that off so it was flush with the upper layer of metal. That was just enough for the alternator to mount flush with the mounting bosses.

The pulley did not line up with the water pump pulley. I did my best to measure the offset and came up with 0.48 - 0.54. I currently have the damper removed so was only able to put a straight edge across the water pump pulley. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I remember the difference between the early blocks, and the VVT blocks being .545. But I'm not 100% sure that is the number.

My plan was to remove the front cover, and set up an appointment with my son on a Saturday to mill the rear surface of the upper mounting boss by my determined dimension. The green tape in one picture shows the area to be removed. This would effectively move the alternator forward to align the pulleys. I would also make 2 round spacers, 1" O.D. x 13/32" I.D. (10mm mounting bolts) to fill the 2 spaces when the alt moves forward. One bad thing is the milling MAY break through a cored out area on the front of the cover.

The output stud on the Jeep is higher and in a different location so it increases clearance with the oil piping. The small alt connector is different than the newer alternator so that has to be changed in the wire harness. It is easier to mount as the 2 bolts insert from the front and there is ample room. (The VVT alternator bolts are side mounted and the 2 lower ones are long enough to interfere with the frame rail so don't allow removal) The upper mounting boss on the cover needs to be drilled through to provide clearance for the thru bolt that threads into the upper ear on the alternator. The lower bolt thread into the cover.

I was on a roll with the wheel of death so cut the frame flange back to within 1/4" of the vertical face. This allowed me to actually mount the 2014 alt to the engine for the first time.

With both variations, I still do not have a definitive oil line routing! I have an assortment of 3/8" NPT 45* and 90* elbows and -10 fittings. It's perplexing because I spent a good part of my engineering career cramming 10 lbs of stuff in a 5 lb bag.

I'll take another look tomorrow (after maybe yet another trip to the hardware store) but right now I'm leaning to the standard alternator.
I just need to get the oil lines routed.

Side note: About 10 yrs ago I put the 73-76 K frame in the car cause I was thinking 451 Stroker with Schumacher mounts. I fully welded the K, reinforced it, sandblasted and painted it silver POR because it was supposed to be more durable than the black. Well it's holding up well but the black Rustoleum topcoat is flaking off. It'll come out when I paint the engine compartment.

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I fixed my clearance issue with a hammer. Just like the factory would have!

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Holley's documentation shows .48" difference.

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Hey Dion, I wanted to comment back on this as you and I bounced some info back and forth on this topic in this thread, and I know you figured this out already, but I did want to confirm your correctness, and denounce my speculation, of a "non VVT spacing....early VVT 2010 engine" in case it helps someone else in the future!
I recently did a timing set on a 2010 Jeep commander with a eagle 5.7L hemi VVT. it is 100% stock. and it 1000% does NOT have the same beltline as my 2015 VVT eagle hemi charger, or 2022 VVT ram, or 2020 Challenger. It is confirmed DIFFERENT than the other VVT vehicles i have. Now is it the "early" spacing??...not positive of that. i didn't crawl under my 2007 ram and measure, but you can bet i will be doing that in the near future. My main interest is if we have someone that wants to put our 2013+ BluePrint 426 Hemi, into a factory Non VVT hemi vehicle, it may completely solve any spacing issues by using a "2010 commander" timing cover, water pump, balancer, etc. For anyone that doesn't know this, the hemi Jeeps used the "car" configured hemi's. not the truck. More to come!!! just thought this info may help someone!
 
I can't find this mount anymore. It's like this company went out of business. Has anyone else mounted a mini denso without this bracket?

I found them on FB - AEICNC/Arch Process Integration | Mansfield OH

Looks like their website is NA but they list a phone number ((314) 435-3461) and it says they are open, so maybe call?

I also found this one, but no details. Might be similar?

 
Hey Dion, I wanted to comment back on this as you and I bounced some info back and forth on this topic in this thread, and I know you figured this out already, but I did want to confirm your correctness, and denounce my speculation, of a "non VVT spacing....early VVT 2010 engine" in case it helps someone else in the future!
I recently did a timing set on a 2010 Jeep commander with a eagle 5.7L hemi VVT. it is 100% stock. and it 1000% does NOT have the same beltline as my 2015 VVT eagle hemi charger, or 2022 VVT ram, or 2020 Challenger. It is confirmed DIFFERENT than the other VVT vehicles i have. Now is it the "early" spacing??...not positive of that. i didn't crawl under my 2007 ram and measure, but you can bet i will be doing that in the near future. My main interest is if we have someone that wants to put our 2013+ BluePrint 426 Hemi, into a factory Non VVT hemi vehicle, it may completely solve any spacing issues by using a "2010 commander" timing cover, water pump, balancer, etc. For anyone that doesn't know this, the hemi Jeeps used the "car" configured hemi's. not the truck. More to come!!! just thought this info may help someone!

Just noticed this while perusing your G3 offerings.

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Honestly I doubt it would be a huge issue for someone that might want to swap a BluePrint 426 into their '09 Challenger as they just wouldn't be able to use their stock alternator and AC compressor, assuming that an '11+ version of those hooks up to their factory hoses and such.
 
Just noticed this while perusing your G3 offerings.

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Honestly I doubt it would be a huge issue for someone that might want to swap a BluePrint 426 into their '09 Challenger as they just wouldn't be able to use their stock alternator and AC compressor, assuming that an '11+ version of those hooks up to their factory hoses and such.
Yeah, Thats true. I was thinking more avoiding an A/C system re-charge, but it could honestly just be the same T/C, but have a stubbier balancer, alt,compressor, water pump etc. I do have the old WP off the commander, and one from a 2015+, i'll have to set them next to each other. haven't gotten to investigating yet!
 
Did some searches on a Mopar parts site and the parts that came up show a different cover for 2014+ and 2009-2013. Not sure what the difference is, but the water pump interchange seems to have the same cut off.

Based on Holley’s swap parts there are 2 spacing, 4.34” and 4.82”.

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But the alternator works for 2008-2010, so the spacing must overlap between the VVT and non-VVT motors for those years.
Pics of water pumps off 2 vvt eagle engines. 2010 is the short one, 2015 is the longer one. Using a straight edge and calipers, I would call it closer to .375 difference looking at the pump mating surface to the serpentine ribs than .480, but that's fairly close to the holley number being, they used balancer. I still want to straight edge the dampers myself. But interesting info.

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