moparmat2000
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That aint nothing, i have a guy who works for me thats a Brony.I know. Scary. No mouth and all.
Now thats some wierd ****
Another Mopar Off My Bucket List - Barracuda Fastback
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Now thats some wierd ****
To each his own I guess.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Spence says he'd like to take the Charger back to Des Moines with him. He's got room in his garage and wants to be able to work on it when he's not at his job. I'm glad he wants to put some time in on it but I know he doesn't have the tools he'll need. I guess it's a moot point until we get the K-member back from Denny and have the car rolling again.
No matter what, we still need to get the Liberty transmission, mock up block, blower, intercooler, fuel system, etc before any real progress can happen.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
There were a number of cars at the show that had the blank plates. I'm surprised that Chrysler ever sent any out the door that way. The circle is so large that it seems to scream 'there's something missing here'.
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Zero options Chargers must have been a steal in the late 70:ies. Stuff a 440, disc brakes and a 4-speed in and you could sell them for some pretty cash these days.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I never heard of a 'Brony' before so I had to Google it. I think I may be having nightmares tonight.
Sheesh! I guess I'll just have to pull my Batman covers over my head tonight when I go to sleep.
moparmat2000
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Running, driving charger "parts cars" back in the mid 1980s averaged about $500. A nice small block car maybe $1,800-$2,500. Big block cars average $7,500-$. Hemi cars $20k. A steal of a deal back then.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
There's a slant six '70 Barracuda that appears at a lot of car shows in the area that always seems to win trophies. Sometimes all original is more collectable than modified.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I bought the '69 440 Sixpack Superbee I had back in 1977 for $500. The motor was toast but the rest of the car was complete & in great shape.
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I'd like to have a 440 but I'm not willing to put in the effort to make it fit between the inner fenders of my '66 Dart...
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
We finally got around to ordering a plastic mock up block today. Speedway Motors in Lincoln had them in stock for $500 as well as a number of other suppliers. The best price we found was from HONEST CHARLEY. Their price was $449. We avoid sales tax by ordering from Ohio and it ends up being $50 cheaper even after paying the $38 for shipping.
Now we're looking online for a source that sells hinged fiberglass trunk lids and possibly a flat fiberglass hood.
Now we're looking online for a source that sells hinged fiberglass trunk lids and possibly a flat fiberglass hood.
moparmat2000
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Check with stinger fiberglass
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Anders, most of the things I work on tend to be 'off the beaten path'. I've always got some new headache to contend with that sane people would've avoided. Although you're plans for the Dart haven't included stuffing a big block in there now, who knows what tomorrow will bring?
Ignore the naysayers and grasp onto that car of yours. They may think your priorities are skewed and that you've gone off the deep end but just maintain that Mopar passion.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
They were the first site I checked. It seems that they did offer a fiberglass deck lid at one time but they don't offer it anymore. They also have stock style hinged hoods but I was wondering if we could find one that doesn't have the hood depressions in it. It might look better after cutting the large opening for the blower.
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Well, I'm not saying it won't happen, it's not on my plans for the car right now, though. And I'm defeating naysayers just by having the car.
Good advice, though.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Well, I'm not saying it won't happen, it's not on my plans for the car right now, though. And I'm defeating naysayers just by having the car.
I remember being surprised reading through some of the slant six builds here on FABO. The leaning tower doesn't get as much respect as most other Mopar power plants and a lot of guys question why anyone would ever want to build one. (I have to admit that I was one of 'those' guys) - But some guys building them are producing really impressive power numbers.
The highest HP you can get is not everyone's goal and there's almost always a trade-off that includes less drivability. So when all is said and done it's best if you ignore advice from people that don't have the same vision as you do. - Build the car YOU want.
I already know that people think I'm insane.
My goal is to prove them right.
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That's a pretty reasonable goal to have.I already know that people think I'm insane.
I'm all about building my car. The vision is flexible, though, and I tend to adopt new things I see all the time. I just got off the phone with a very good friend from University. He's a race bike driver, pretty serious but doesn't compete, and he gets my sentiments without necessarily sharing them. I told him I have the goal to some day at least try going down the strip. He said eh wouldn't because "it could be dangerous". LOL What are you talking about?! Riding 200 hp motorcycles in traffic early in the season isn't a lot more dangerous?
Anyway. I do have the goal to try it on the strip but the main objective is to get a car that can seriously smoke tires and looks at least somewhat badass.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
From what I've seen of your build I think you'll achieve your goals easily. - But speed is addictive. It's like trying to eat just one Lays Potato Chip or chocolate chip cookies. No matter what you tell yourself, you find yourself looking for more.
- And you're right. - Them cycle guys are nuts.
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moparmat2000
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Yep i bet its really nice, but i bet its a dog, and cant get outta its own way. Thats a car thats begging for a V8 conversion.
I remember years ago in hot rod magazine Steve Magnante souped up a 225 and they put it in a 70 duster. The amount of cash to make it run like a V8, they could have built a pretty nice faster V8. To each their own i say, but personally i cant do the slant.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I've struggled with the desire to build a slant. I'm not sure I'd ever get the mega-power out of one without some form of forced air induction and that usually involves a lot of cash. It would be really cool to be able to smoke some of the bowtie crowd with a 6 cylinder though.
My problem is I tend to want more HP than what I should. There are plenty of guys that probably get as much enjoyment out of cruising around with half the fuel bill, no worries about overheating, and less parts breakage. I think law enforcement spends less time following them around too. I tend to get an escort when I take one of the cars out.
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Yeah, like a Keith Black Hemi isn't a lot of cash
You could get one of the last BMW M5 inline sixes. They have some pretty impressing numbers. Probably a lot of electronics to wrestle, though:
Engine designation S38B38:
3,795 cc (232 cu in)
340 hp (250 kW) @ 6900 rpm
400 N·m (295 lb·ft) @ 4750 rpm
Naturally aspirated, like a BMW is supposed to be.
You could get one of the last BMW M5 inline sixes. They have some pretty impressing numbers. Probably a lot of electronics to wrestle, though:
Engine designation S38B38:
3,795 cc (232 cu in)
340 hp (250 kW) @ 6900 rpm
400 N·m (295 lb·ft) @ 4750 rpm
Naturally aspirated, like a BMW is supposed to be.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
The past few days have been spent researching all of the various options for the Charger.
After reading several articles on intercooler options we've decided to scrap the plan we had. Our goal was to have a system that would not need constant re-filling and would be available on demand 24/7.
An air to air intercooler would have to cool the air before it enters the supercharger and wouldn't produce much benefit. It would also be ugly as sin.
A water cooled intercooler would add quite a bit of weight if we had a large reservoir and the temperature of the water would rise as the car was being driven. Without a computer program set up to compensate for the wide range of inlet temps it would screw with the air/fuel ratios. - And efficiency drops as the water absorbs the heat and gets warmer.
Before we'd ever read anything about using an air conditioner compressor to provide a chilled form of heat exchange it had occurred to us that one could be designed. Our thoughts were that we'd have a closed loop system that would maintain a steady temperature and wouldn't weigh as much or need to have an ice/water mix refreshed. Hopefully it would give a better benefit on temperature drop too.
My son read up on Ford's attempt to do it several years ago with a supercharged engine in their 'Lightning' pickup. There was so much heat soak that the intercooler was only able to provide a cooled charge for 15 to 45 seconds at a time. You then would have to wait for the system to cool itself down for a few minutes before it would give you a benefit again. So, - it wasn't going to be the full time available cooling we were looking for.
The car was going to be designed for daily driving and the intercoolers weren't likely to give us a big enough benefit on long cruises.
After reading several articles on intercooler options we've decided to scrap the plan we had. Our goal was to have a system that would not need constant re-filling and would be available on demand 24/7.
An air to air intercooler would have to cool the air before it enters the supercharger and wouldn't produce much benefit. It would also be ugly as sin.
A water cooled intercooler would add quite a bit of weight if we had a large reservoir and the temperature of the water would rise as the car was being driven. Without a computer program set up to compensate for the wide range of inlet temps it would screw with the air/fuel ratios. - And efficiency drops as the water absorbs the heat and gets warmer.
Before we'd ever read anything about using an air conditioner compressor to provide a chilled form of heat exchange it had occurred to us that one could be designed. Our thoughts were that we'd have a closed loop system that would maintain a steady temperature and wouldn't weigh as much or need to have an ice/water mix refreshed. Hopefully it would give a better benefit on temperature drop too.
My son read up on Ford's attempt to do it several years ago with a supercharged engine in their 'Lightning' pickup. There was so much heat soak that the intercooler was only able to provide a cooled charge for 15 to 45 seconds at a time. You then would have to wait for the system to cool itself down for a few minutes before it would give you a benefit again. So, - it wasn't going to be the full time available cooling we were looking for.
The car was going to be designed for daily driving and the intercoolers weren't likely to give us a big enough benefit on long cruises.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Yeah, like a Keith Black Hemi isn't a lot of cash
Anders, your European heritage is starting to show. There are many well designed, powerful cars that have come from several countries. I'd lose any real intellectual argument for proper reasoning why we're building the Charger the way we are as opposed to getting one of those others. You have to keep reminding yourself that I'm insane and some of that has apparently been passed on through the gene pool to my son. Call it Mopar Madness.
- And I know that KB Hemi is way over any budget I could afford unless it turns out I'm the long lost son of Donald Trump. - But my kid's footing the tab so I don't have a stroke whenever I see the bills as they come in.
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Oh, I'm not trying to make you convert from the Moparitarian belief system. You were talking about making an inline-six with a lot of power so I thought I'd suggest a novel approach.
I used to covet the BMW:s but now I don't really care. They look like any other car to me. My dad has always driven them and the one he has now (2010 525D) is an astonishing automobile to drive. A fantastic machine. But when it comes to daily drivers, they are simply much to expensive to do the job of getting me from point A to point B.
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