bye slant six, hello 318

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1974duster,

I have kinda sat back and watched the post for a while.

Everyone sure has something to say about engine choice...Keep the 318....Sell the 318 and keep the /6.....Get a 360.....

1974duster....you have yet to say what you want out of the car.

daily driver with good gas m/g...daily driver, don't care about m/g...street...Street and strip...strip...or any combination of the above or what have you.

untill you figure out what you want you car to be like...the engine choice doesn't matter.

everyone is telling you what engine choice you should do. But knowone knows what you want.

I don't know what you want...thats why I asked you in the midle of page one.

do you know what you want your car to be like?

Phil
 
what i want out of my car is a good daily driver i have the 318 it is rebuild so i mostly will be going with the 318. i know the /6 can be a good power plant for power i have seen one but there is a lot of parts you have to get to get them that high up. so i think a 318 will be just fine with me :burnout: i think everyone do have point on what i should do. so now i need to start looking for parts for it when i bought the engine it can with a 904 it also have the kick down linkage with it also what would be a good carb for that engine i want a 2 barrel one, maybe down the road i could go with 4 barrel but the way gas is going i think i will wait where can i get speedo gear also should i buy a new trans or just get a rebuild the less money i have to spend the better
 
1974duster said:
what i want out of my car is a good daily driver i have the 318 it is rebuild so i mostly will be going with the 318. i know the /6 can be a good power plant for power i have seen one but there is a lot of parts you have to get to get them that high up. so i think a 318 will be just fine with me :burnout: i think everyone do have point on what i should do. so now i need to start looking for parts for it when i bought the engine it can with a 904 it also have the kick down linkage with it also what would be a good carb for that engine i want a 2 barrel one, maybe down the road i could go with 4 barrel but the way gas is going i think i will wait where can i get speedo gear also should i buy a new trans or just get a rebuild the less money i have to spend the better
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that was easy :)

I would agree with you and stick with the 318. Though if the car was a current daily driver, I wouldn't even bother swaping out the /6 for the 318. But because you already have all the parts...GO FOR IT!

I can't help you about the carb part.

I also can't help out with the trans...I would go with 4spd :burnout:
all my cars are 4 spds.
But that doesn't sound like its in the cards

Best of luck with you...if you have any questions, someone can help.

and I am glad we all know what you want the car for.

don't think about a 360.

Phil

PS Cheap and mopar don't go hand in hand ;)
 
2 bbl carb: Carter bbd

Trans: If the 904 is in working order,use it.
 
Dam. I found this late. Anyone who thinks a slant is close to a teen is nuts! Sorry no offense, but like it was said theres close to 100hp difference.
The next thing i will say is contraversail! Stick with the 318! they can be made to have 400+hp easy. And thats not with alot of money either. There are many good articles that will help you acomplish this. I love the 318, so im bias, The is plenty of hp in them and im a strong believer. 360 more cubes, 360 no replacement for displacement, 360 see my tail lights. lol Dont get me wrong, the 360 is a great motor when built correctly. But ask my buddy about his $4000+ 360 that was just smoked by.......yes a 318!
 
sublimeswinger said:
Dam. I found this late. Anyone who thinks a slant is close to a teen is nuts! Sorry no offense, but like it was said theres close to 100hp difference.
The next thing i will say is contraversail! Stick with the 318! they can be made to have 400+hp easy. And thats not with alot of money either. There are many good articles that will help you acomplish this. I love the 318, so im bias, The is plenty of hp in them and im a strong believer. 360 more cubes, 360 no replacement for displacement, 360 see my tail lights. lol Dont get me wrong, the 360 is a great motor when built correctly. But ask my buddy about his $4000+ 360 that was just smoked by.......yes a 318!
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and how much money was in the 318? and befor you say it. I don't beleive it, if it was less. maybe a better qustion is which one had more high performance parts and better gears?

Phil
 
I have to agree with sublmeswinger. I had an 78 aspen with the super 6 set up and it was hard pressed to make 20 mpg on the highway. I had a shaved head on it to up compression and recurved dist, full 2 1/4 exhaust same 2.76 gearing as my 73 dart that has the 318. I can get 20 easy with the 318 in the dart running a single plane intake, 600 holley and 340 factory cam and it has no lock up converter either. I agree it would have to be a pretty radical 6 to have more hp then a mild built 318. Most 318's will gain 100 hp when you change to 4bbl, mild cam and headers even with small valve heads. Think ir was mopar muscle that did that to a recon re-man 318 and had 100 hp more then stock on dyno. As far as the 318 vs 360 debate, built similar there is going to be about 40-50 hp more for the 360 if both motors are using the big valve heads. Am not sure what you will gain with 50 more hp in street trim with street tires probably just melt tires faster. An A body with 300 hp is going to be pretty darn quick anyway 50 hp might gain you a few tenths on the strip assuming you can hook it up. I say build what you want and enjoy it.
 
mrtires24 said:
and how much money was in the 318? and befor you say it. I don't beleive it, if it was less. maybe a better qustion is which one had more high performance parts and better gears?

Phil
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Ok hear ya go

68-318 $100
machine work .30 bore and hone, new bearings, polished crank, set ring gap, install rods, and build small block and balance $900
Eagle I beam rods $289
KB167 pistons $265
Eddy preformer $220?
holley 600cfm $50
Comp xe 262 cam and lifters $169
hooker comp headers $169
8 3/4 With 3.23 $75

To answer your question "who had better gears and better performance parts. He has a New Mopar performance 390hp create with a Demon 750, dougs headers 3 1/2 exhaust and 8 3/4 with 3.55 suregrip.

The statement was a well built 360. lol Dont underestmate a teen. Theres nothing finer then smoken bigger motors.

Dont get me wrong, im a Mopar guy. I love em, and have nothing against a 360. I just luv me some teen!!!!!!
 
Yeah but it looks like the other guy bought the engine for $4000, where as the 318 was put together by the owner...witch would have saved alot too.

don't get me wrong. 318's can be built.

I'll Buy ten 8 3/4 for $75 each!!!!!!!

and a holly for $50????
 
That crate motor had to be running like shat,because there is no way that 318 was putting out 390 ponies. Either that or the guy had absolutely zero traction.
 
mrtires24 said:
Yeah but it looks like the other guy bought the engine for $4000, where as the 318 was put together by the owner...witch would have saved alot too.

don't get me wrong. 318's can be built.

I'll Buy ten 8 3/4 for $75 each!!!!!!!

and a holly for $50????
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Me to, $75 is a steal
holley $50 used. Not new
 
Johnny Dart said:
That crate motor had to be running like shat,because there is no way that 318 was putting out 390 ponies. Either that or the guy had absolutely zero traction.
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Traction was an issue. How can a 318 not put out 390hp? I know 318's with more. Hey i dont want a pissing match, not here for that. But it is was it is. The 318 deserves a little more respect then it gets. And im here to defend it.:cheers:

Hey i know a guy that runs in the 11's and yes its a 318!
 
1974duster said:
the good thing is i have 8 1/4 rear on the car right now i have trans that went with the 318 :rock: what i want to do before i get the engine is is to rebuild the front end and upgrade the suspension also get the trans rebuild so i don't have to worry about it. i was wondering if a trans cooler would be good idea, i also was think about putting in oil cooler too but i think that would be little over kill but if it help it is good in my book
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Sounds like a good plan to me. Good luck on your build.
 
sublimeswinger said:
Traction was an issue. How can a 318 not put out 390hp? I know 318's with more. Hey i dont want a pissing match, not here for that. But it is was it is. The 318 deserves a little more respect then it gets. And im here to defend it.:cheers:

Hey i know a guy that runs in the 11's and yes its a 318!
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I agree brother,no pissing match here either.
Although if I was the guy with the crate motor I would be pissed LOL.

Here is a pic of the 318 I had in my Dart.Was really a good runner.Stock motor/piston's (as far as I know)added the 4 bbl,and 340 exhaust manifolds.Dual exhaust with H-pipe.Mopar electronic ign.Again ran very well. If it runs better than the 360 I'm putting in I will come un-glued.8)

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sublimeswinger said:
Traction was an issue. How can a 318 not put out 390hp? I know 318's with more. Hey i dont want a pissing match, not here for that. But it is was it is. The 318 deserves a little more respect then it gets. And im here to defend it.:cheers:

Hey i know a guy that runs in the 11's and yes its a 318!
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The slant deserves a little more respect as well.:yawinkle:

pic of my slant car.

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All of your motors are clean there Johnny. Nice, look good. Hey like i said, it is what it is. He bought his 360 and well, lets just say its not what i would have done, but it is what it is. Gosh i like saying that. lol I agree, there is a place for all motors. including the leaning tower of power, and to some, thats there thing. The hole reason i opened my big trap is because i was reading people say a 318 doesnt have much more power then a slant and it wouldnt make a difference. And that is plan:munky2: crap. dam .....wheres BJR when you need him. lol
 
sublimeswinger said:
All of your motors are clean there Johnny. Nice, look good. Hey like i said, it is what it is. He bought his 360 and well, lets just say its not what i would have done, but it is what it is. Gosh i like saying that. lol I agree, there is a place for all motors. including the leaning tower of power, and to some, thats there thing. The hole reason i opened my big trap is because i was reading people say a 318 doesnt have much more power then a slant and it wouldnt make a difference. And that is plan:munky2: crap. dam .....wheres BJR when you need him. lol
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I never said that the /6 and 318 are eqaul in power...but why do a v8 swap and only put in a 318?

it all depends on the porpose of the car.....I am going to start another forum under mopar general discusion titled /6...318...or 360???

that way everyone can continue their debate there. I don't think we should all be cluttering up 1974 dusters post.

1974 duster, Your 318 is just fine for what you want to do with your car. Best pf luck to you, and good luck on the swap. If you have any questions, just ask.

Phil
 
I said that a STOCK 318 wont have much more power then a GOOD slant. I stand by that, especially an 80's low compression 2bbl 318. I even had one rebuilt to stock specs, bored 0.030 and it was just a big disappointment. To correctly put a small block in an A body where a slant was is a lot of work, especially in a home garage. Yes, you can make a 318 run, but when rebuildable 360's are like $200 what is the point? It is the same cost to build. In fact a few years ago (haven't looked lately)at summit and jegs 360 pistons were cheaper then 318 pistons.

Oh and 318's are much easier to kill then a slant too.

TopHat
 
the 318 i have is a LA block it is out of a 73 dart i plan on putting dual exhaust and go from there
 
I say 318. 318's rock! My dad has a 360 with the same money in his motor as mine and he's only .04 faster! Same cars too. If built right 318 are great motors.
 
1974duster said:
the 318 i have is a LA block it is out of a 73 dart i plan on putting dual exhaust and go from there
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In my opinion, you might want to look at at least changing the intake and carb. with you heads i would go with a preformer. What was put in the teen with the re build? any ideas on the cam? It would be easier to change the cam now, then later, while the motors still out. PM me if youd like, i can go over it with you.
 
sublimeswinger said:
In my opinion, you might want to look at at least changing the intake and carb. with you heads i would go with a preformer. What was put in the teen with the re build? any ideas on the cam? It would be easier to change the cam now, then later, while the motors still out. PM me if youd like, i can go over it with you.
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Pretty sure 1974 duster said he wants to keep it with a 2 brl because of gas milage. Cam wouldn't help gas milage either.

Look at his post about it on page one somewhere

He has also said that he wants to do it the most in-expensive way. So a cam is not needed, nor is the intake for what he wants the car for.

It's allways alot easier to spend other peoples money and to say buy this and buy that. But that isn't what 1974 duster wants...He has said that several times. unless he has changed his mind.

Phil
 
have not change my mind not the way gas keeps going up i want a nice v 8 for daily use i might go EFI someday if that help gas mileage but that is a lot of work and money, i would also wondering what would have have to do for a overdrive for the trans i know that would help gas mileage
 
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