74DartSwinger360
The Brat Pack
Have you tried switching sides? Maybe you have them swapped on accident.
Curleysparts
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SpareParts
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No, they can only go in one way. Unfortunately I've swapped my fair share of control arms lately
SpareParts
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That's what I would guess. Probably going to end up cutting them and making some with the help of the neighbor dude.
Mad Dart
Nothing to see Here!
I have RMS uppers and they don't even use a gusset in them. It must be wall thickness.
The RMS uppers do however start with a straight and the bend to the Ball Joint is at a 45* not a Radius Bend in them. I bet that design makes them stronger than the Radius Bend.
The RMS uppers do however start with a straight and the bend to the Ball Joint is at a 45* not a Radius Bend in them. I bet that design makes them stronger than the Radius Bend.
HemiTM
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This is unfortunate. I have met with Kyle personally. Heck of a nice guy. He bent my cage in my 71 Dart for me. Beautiful fit.
SpareParts
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Don't die. Jk, but really don't F up. I strongly suggest not packin the wall.
ardentindustries
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Just for the record, as I happened to stumble upon this thread...I have been in contact with this customer, and asked him to send me the control arms back. I told him I could not do anything without seeing them in person. This would be the standard response for any aftermarket component company.
The customer himmed and hawed about doing so, and has since stopped communicating. As of now, I consider the issue resolved, and will not wait around and play games to remedy any problems. I cannot see from the pictures, but they CAN be installed on the wrong side of the car....
The fixture these are built from was checked with 3 sets of factory control arms, and then had an additional 3* of castor added to the fixture. During the fabrication process, I believe there were 3-5 threads showing on the heims(cant remember exactly). Even so, the customer admitted he threaded the heim joints out so far, that they ended up pulling the threads out of the control arms(which he admitted was probably his mistake). He said this was necessary in order to get proper geometry. This, I cannot figure out...
So all in all, flame on. I was NOT avoiding this thread...I just got a sour taste in my mouth about the Mopar community as a whole and stopped coming around. Thank you to everyone who has purchased products from me in the past and who has given me good feedback. It is much appreciated.
The customer himmed and hawed about doing so, and has since stopped communicating. As of now, I consider the issue resolved, and will not wait around and play games to remedy any problems. I cannot see from the pictures, but they CAN be installed on the wrong side of the car....
The fixture these are built from was checked with 3 sets of factory control arms, and then had an additional 3* of castor added to the fixture. During the fabrication process, I believe there were 3-5 threads showing on the heims(cant remember exactly). Even so, the customer admitted he threaded the heim joints out so far, that they ended up pulling the threads out of the control arms(which he admitted was probably his mistake). He said this was necessary in order to get proper geometry. This, I cannot figure out...
So all in all, flame on. I was NOT avoiding this thread...I just got a sour taste in my mouth about the Mopar community as a whole and stopped coming around. Thank you to everyone who has purchased products from me in the past and who has given me good feedback. It is much appreciated.
Looks to me from the pic that they are bolted on the wrong side. The factory arms can be reversed. Why not these? I've made the mistake before myself. It's easy to do if you are assembling from a pile of parts.
ardentindustries
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^^^ Obviously my opinion would be considered biased, which is why I didnt mention this myself but...
fishy68
Tyr Fryr's Inc.
I agree. I never noticed it at first but the control arm shouldn't have the spindle leaned forward anywhere close to what it is. If his picture would have included THE ENTIRE CONTROL ARM maybe we'd see something different but as is all we have to go on is 1 picture of 3/4 of a control arm. You can't even see the front section of the frame mount where the UCA bolts to. Who's to say it isn't rusted out or broken?
That's what I was going by. The forward lean of the upper ball joint. If those arms have added positive caster, then the upper ball joint should lean rearward. I think they were installed backwards.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...
1) The pic does look like the control arm is on the wrong side.
1a) YES THEY CAN BE INSTALLED BACKWARDS.
2) A bend in a tube IS photogenic. Wipe the paint off and circle it with a sharpie.
3) Heim joints (or ANY threaded part) needs minimum thread engagement to have effective holding power. But if they had to be backed our that far to get an alignment, there are other issues present.
Carry on...
1) The pic does look like the control arm is on the wrong side.
1a) YES THEY CAN BE INSTALLED BACKWARDS.
2) A bend in a tube IS photogenic. Wipe the paint off and circle it with a sharpie.
3) Heim joints (or ANY threaded part) needs minimum thread engagement to have effective holding power. But if they had to be backed our that far to get an alignment, there are other issues present.
Carry on...
SpareParts
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Nope, bolted on the right way. The kink in the arm tells the story. They are bent. It was in and working for a few miles, stop the car after a burnout and back it up to launch it, when I launched it the car jumped to the side and would go anywhere but straight.
SpareParts
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Car was sold new is Arizona then went to Nevada, came to Wisconsin in 2008. Rust is not an issue I assure you. The arms are on the correct side, the front end guy (also an X275 racer) looked it over and had no issues with what I had done.
SpareParts
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Why would I ship my evidence back to you when I called you for a month straight every day after this happened and you wouldn't return my calls or messages? Sounds like you were willing to back your product. Then a month ago I find Curley on YB and pm him, maybe out of fear of me running him through the mud on YB (which I have not done) he started responding.
My feelings are if a year isn't a fair time period for you to do something about it why would I ship you the parts I have hard earned money in?? So you can scrap them and forget it ever happened? No thanks, you have jerked me around enough. If anyone has further questions you may pm me and I will happily speak to you on the phone (I'll even return calls)
Why wouldn't you ship back broken parts? If they're broken, they're broken. It's not like you can use them as is, you have nothing to gain by keeping them.
Unless, of course, you're worried that the reason they're broken has nothing to do with the parts and everything to do with how they were installed/used.
Otherwise, ship them back and let Kyle figure out why they're busted. If the parts are defective, give Kyle the opportunity to find out why so he can fix future products and let others know they may need to replace their old parts.
I actually have done business with Kyle face to face, and have never had a problem with him, or the stuff I bought from him (adjustable strut rods, torsion bar reinforcing plates, front end dolly for an A body).
Unless, of course, you're worried that the reason they're broken has nothing to do with the parts and everything to do with how they were installed/used.
Otherwise, ship them back and let Kyle figure out why they're busted. If the parts are defective, give Kyle the opportunity to find out why so he can fix future products and let others know they may need to replace their old parts.
I actually have done business with Kyle face to face, and have never had a problem with him, or the stuff I bought from him (adjustable strut rods, torsion bar reinforcing plates, front end dolly for an A body).
Ok. Whatever you say. I was simply giving an opinion which you did ask for, remember? I cannot really see a "bend" in the arm. I see no broken paint where a bend would be. Nothing. I don't doubt you, I am merely telling you what it looks like TO ME, since you did ask.
Also, this is gonna get ugly. How bout either calling the seller directly or going to PM's. It seems to me the seller was willing to do something at one point, so it could have been resolved it seems like. For that control arm to bend like you say PLUS have the upper ball joint facing the opposite direction, there would be some bend marks or displaced paint or powder coat. I see zero evidence. Not taking sides. Just telling you what I see......like YOU ASKED.
Lastly, I will add this. The upper control arm on a MoPar is almost NON LOAD BEARING. There is no reason other than collision for that arm to bend. The lower control arms carry just about all of the weight.
Also, this is gonna get ugly. How bout either calling the seller directly or going to PM's. It seems to me the seller was willing to do something at one point, so it could have been resolved it seems like. For that control arm to bend like you say PLUS have the upper ball joint facing the opposite direction, there would be some bend marks or displaced paint or powder coat. I see zero evidence. Not taking sides. Just telling you what I see......like YOU ASKED.
Lastly, I will add this. The upper control arm on a MoPar is almost NON LOAD BEARING. There is no reason other than collision for that arm to bend. The lower control arms carry just about all of the weight.
ardentindustries
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I promise I did not intend to cause an uproar. I have said my part, and that is it. I offered to look at the parts, if they were returned...that was rejected, and I have since revoked the offer. You cant win 'em all right?
I apologize for taking up bandwidthon the site, and I apologize to the customer for the misfortune.
Carry on if you want...I'll just spectate.
I apologize for taking up bandwidthon the site, and I apologize to the customer for the misfortune.
Carry on if you want...I'll just spectate.
voodoo1
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Need to find a middle person here to look over everything. Have someone, if it's possible, whom both could trust and have them look at the parts. Document everything you have on the car, etc. Just my 2 cents. Mike
SpareParts
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I have more faith in me cutting them up for the threaded ball joint piece and making my own than sending them back to someone who doesn't return calls or texts. There's no need to fix future stuff when he told me he got out of doing Chrysler stuff and now has posted here in not so many words that he doesn't build it any more because of the mopar people. I wish I was fortunate enough to do business with him in person, I hate computers.
SpareParts
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You have some valid points, I have some trashed control arms. . .
Kyle you can post the pictures I texted to you if you are sure it's all my fault.
SpareParts
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I never actually told you I would not send you the arms. Still have the text conversation in my phone. I told you I was worried about sending them to you after your lack of contact. That was the last thing sent lol YOU STOPPED REPLYING TO MY TEXTS TOO! :wack:
So if I'm the bad guy you will answer my phone call tomorrow morning? Post the pictures I sent you? I'm easy to work with but very hard to drill.
My exact text for FABO
"Yeah. I just am worried about sending them off and never hearing from you. I've already had enough trouble getting any kind of reply from you. I think that's understandable. And at this point I don't think you are trying to blame the car which hasn't been wrecked"
You did not reply that was sent May 14th 7:37 a.m.
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