David Vizard, Uncle Tony's garage, Unity motorsport. Mission impossible Dodge 302 Head porting

[mgoblue9798]

If everyone stuck to the tried and true there be no progress at all, 360 were once considered boat anchors too until some didn't listen and started building them anyways same 400 fords who would think a 400" cleveland couldn't make power everyone basically did until engine master competition, or a 318 could make 400 hp until Steve Dulcich, if people started slapping on trick flows onto 318 who know what the next acceptable power limit is.
You can follow or initiative.

You are right that there is definitely more than one way to skin a cat.

I was interested in this build just for ***** and giggles when they stated only factory parts in the beginning. An everyman low buck type build.

Now though as @Rat Bastid mentioned it has turned into an exercise of mental masturbation with the stroker crank high dollar head porting etc.

Bucks down approach in my mind would be a 318 magnum with block cut to zero deck the stock pistons or a set of KB's, reground cam, stock magnum heads with a good valve job and minor cleaunup of the bowls, and a china gap or redrill the heads to take a used LA intake. Add a cheap set of headers and call it a day.

Not claiming to be an expert on anything, but I do know that for a supposed budget build their proposed build has gone off the rails.

I do like seeing someone making the best of what they have though. I like what @318willrun does with his stuff as much as I like the high hp builds. He does a lot with a little. Kind of the way that most of us started. Documenting it for others can be a big help to those just getting started. Stuff like that may have saved the 18 year old me the trouble of trying a torker intake on an otherwise stock 318.

 

[273]

You are right that there is definitely more than one way to skin a cat.

I was interested in this build just for ***** and giggles when they stated only factory parts in the beginning. An everyman low buck type build.

Now though as @Rat Bastid mentioned it has turned into an exercise of mental masturbation with the stroker crank high dollar head porting etc.

Bucks down approach in my mind would be a 318 magnum with block cut to zero deck the stock pistons or a set of KB's, reground cam, stock magnum heads with a good valve job and minor cleaunup of the bowls, and a china gap or redrill the heads to take a used LA intake. Add a cheap set of headers and call it a day.

Not claiming to be an expert on anything, but I do know that for a supposed budget build their proposed build has gone off the rails.

I do like seeing someone making the best of what they have though. I like what @318willrun does with his stuff as much as I like the high hp builds. He does a lot with a little. Kind of the way that most of us started. Documenting it for others can be a big help to those just getting started. Stuff like that may have saved the 18 year old me the trouble of trying a torker intake on an otherwise stock 318.

Where did this idea of budget build that the everyman could follow, when UTG said through machining and modifying the stock parts to reach the goal, what their doing is exactly what I thought they meant.

 

[273]

The real arguement in the thread isn't between small or large displacement.
We all like to use what we have.
What we have differs from one another, I have multiple ported sets of ported LA's, joe blow might have w2 or rhs, indy or eddy trickflow etc...
Now does that represent the low buck regular guy? Stereotypically...not really.
Does it represent the crowd I know, yes.
So onto stereotypes, yt and the clickbait of this... the "parts laying around" line...now this is David vizard ..so laying around could have been much better parts. How is there a w9 motor next them...and then out comes some obscure mostly cracked 302 casting smog heads? Mostly when regular guys have these laying around..its because they pulled and replaced them and never got to throwing them away. ..but the angle is "regular guy" "low buck"... now how do you really do that with an race engine author of the last 50+ yrs?..you dont... So in come the titanium retainers laying around, the 302 heads with over a month of r&d , valve changes, week long rod lightening & balancing etc.
So the thing about it being silly to boast or champion this is a multitude of things..
1. Big names yet lacking so much basic architecture/parts knowledge.
2. Its not low buck regular guy and falls into the home machine shop territory.
3. The head direction and lack of knowing anything about it...again, very entertaining I'm sure to those who do not know how or have access to the equipment. As for the rest of us... it was mostly a wtf??!! Cutting down a 2" to 1.90 when a 1.89 exists...good grief...
In case anyone had any regular guy aspiration of it..let me reassure you it isnt. Any hint of regular guy low buck ended at the connecting rod work and changing from the 1.78 to the cut down [email protected]..It ended after 40 days of flowbenching it.

My videos, my numbers shown. All are 6 cfm light. I need to calibrate it, may send the flowcom back for that. I check with a rated oriface plate. That's how I know.
215cfm w/1.78 is really 221cfm for instance. It's been light for years. Take any head I've done and retest it, itll do more than my sheet lists every time. I'm not the best and not saying I am, just know it wont ever flow less than I say.
So the 1.88 port in my video, 4 angle max area 45 seat at .045.. bowl, ssr, gasket match...barely scrubbed the pinch....I bought a 1.89 LS intake valve the other day and dropped it right on that existing seat ... 238cfm... yawn.
Y'all better start a thread on that LS valve instead. Stock low buck, theres a limit. Stock valves were not intended as performance peices, especially tulips.
The magic could have been a set of SI 1.78 and been in the 230... maybe.
All that "small" and "tiny" talk..when they end up over 150cc and with a larger 1.9 valve. I call that overkill, overshooting to make the mark and not very scienced.
Yet its "praise Charlie "
"Wow that tiny hole is amazing "

Something you wouldn't want to hear from outside the door, that'for sure!

What really happened in this 40 something pages...was 3 guys from youtube started a build and it spiraled off into a couple other guys boasting and reveling in their fondness for a particular casting on a forum to the point of complete confusion that a port can still being considered tiny after being hogged 'too big imo' to 149+cc -SAME SIZE AS A MAGNUM . That's near 30cc's removed for those who arent familiar with the head. This tired winded rerun has been played out time and time again..NEVER do the author or his sidekick prove or show anything they claim to have done.
We all know a couple things..
Mopar heads have strong intake ports with much potential, probably about the best of all 3, they're valves just sucked and were titanic is all.

No magic here, no porting gods... Its a skinny 8mm LS valve vs a semi tulip titanic bowl volume eating pos.

 
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I just rewatched Tony announce this build and he starts off with a rant about ones with money win, then goes on about his mustang days before the aftermarket began for them, his basic message was you need to set goals with self imposed limitations, to give yourself challenges kind of like 318willrun does with his builds, don't know where some got this is suppose to be some budget build for the everyman can follow, it's the basic concept of self imposed limitations to make a goal slightly out of reach/hard was the point. This build is Kind of a call back a time before there an aftermarket like hot rodding in the 40's.

 

[NC Engine Builder]

I just rewatched Tony announce this build and he starts off with a rant about ones with money win, then goes on about his mustang days before the aftermarket began for them, his basic message was you need to set goals with self imposed limitations, to give yourself challenges that a credit card can't fix kind of like 318willrun does with his builds, don't know where some got this is suppose to be some budget build for the everyman can follow, it's the basic concept of self imposed limitations to make a goal slightly out of reach/hard was the point. This build is Kind of a call back a time before there an aftermarket like hot rodding in the 40's.

Except that whole premise is totally out the window. You got a guy that ports heads for a living, having allready done at LEAST 40 hours of r&d on those garbage heads. THAT ALONE nullifies the entire "idea" behind this clickbait **** build

 

[273]

Except that whole premise is totally out the window. You got a guy that ports heads for a living, having allready done at LEAST 40 hours of r&d on those garbage heads. THAT ALONE nullifies the entire "idea" behind this clickbait **** build

If DV and company didn't have to spend a lot of time in R & D to reach the goal it wouldn't be much of a challenge for those guys.

 

[NC Engine Builder]

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ndI just rewatched Tony announce this build and he starts off with a rant about ones with money win, then goes on about his mustang days before the aftermarket began for them, his basic message was you need to set goals with self imposed limitations, to give yourself challenges that a credit card can't fix kind of like 318willrun does with his builds, don't know where some got this is suppose to be some budget build for the everyman can follow, it's the basic concept of self imposed limitations to make a goal slightly out of reach/hard was the point. This build is Kind of a call back a time before there an aftermarket like hot rodding in the 40's.

And uncle phony cant even assemble a basically stock 318 and have it survive break in. Hes one of the biggest frauds on YT, and honestly, anyone who follows that channel and thinks they are learning anything are literally to stupid to teach.

 

[Mean416]

In my opinion, the reason DV is on this is only to try to grow his audience. The guy who was producing his channel died and DV lost control of his own channel bc he didn't have the password. And he's figured out that smoke and mirrors brings more ad revenue than his old style of real fact based tech videos.

 

[273]

An

And uncle phony cant even assemble a basically stock 318 and have it survive break in. Hes one of the biggest frauds on YT, and honestly, anyone who follows that channel and thinks they are learning anything are literally to stupid to teach.

I could careless about UTG I rarely watch his videos I just don't get the hate. And really this build so far has zero to do with Tony other than him announcing it, I bet if Tony wasn't involved at all and was 100% a DV build none of you guy's would so anti this build.

 

[MOPAROFFICIAL]

I just rewatched Tony announce this build and he starts off with a rant about ones with money win, then goes on about his mustang days before the aftermarket began for them, his basic message was you need to set goals with self imposed limitations, to give yourself challenges kind of like 318willrun does with his builds, don't know where some got this is suppose to be some budget build for the everyman can follow, it's the basic concept of self imposed limitations to make a goal slightly out of reach/hard was the point. This build is Kind of a call back a time before there an aftermarket like hot rodding in the 40's.

Thats a unique perspective you have.

flowbenches in the 40's.

Utg involved with high dollar anything.

Very unique perspective.


The need to defend the project is stronger than the practicality of it.

 

[MOPAROFFICIAL]

If DV and company didn't have to spend a lot of time in R & D to reach the goal it wouldn't be much of a challenge for those guys.

R&D with those heads took an afternoon.
The fact that they spent over a month...makes me imagine ego maniacs driving the car...

 

[NC Engine Builder]

I'd also like to see some real world evidence that DV is this "guru" everyone claims him to be. What actual, well known sanctioned events has he won?

 

[Hysteric]

Except that whole premise is totally out the window. You got a guy that ports heads for a living, having allready done at LEAST 40 hours of r&d on those garbage heads. THAT ALONE nullifies the entire "idea" behind this clickbait **** build

Which head porter do you know that just picks up ANY head and just ports it...............Do you take your mopar heads to a ford or chevy guy that's never touched them or do you find a guy whos done more sets than he can remember and figured stuff from do so many. All this talk of investing time and development would be the case for any head porter on any new head.

 

[273]

Thats a unique perspective you have.

flowbenches in the 40's.

Never said there was, just they mainly had to make do with modified stock parts

The need to defend the project is stronger than the practicality of it.

Shouldn't have to defend it, you'd think the only people on this thread would be into it on some level.

I'm an atheist I don't have the need to go churches and find religious website to tell them my take how their spending their time. But you guy's got the need to tell people what builds, YT channels they can follow what engines they can build etc... It's ridiculous lol

 

[MOPAROFFICIAL]

Never said there was, just they mainly had to make do with modified stock parts

Shouldn't have to defend it, you'd think the only people on this thread would be into it on some level.

I'm an atheist I don't have the need to go churches and find religious website to tell them my take how their spending their time. But you guy's got the need to tell people what builds, YT channels they can follow what engines they can build etc... It's ridiculous lol

We give opinion on it just like the opinion that drove the op to post it... problem IS some keep debating opinion.
Someone thought this was cool..and someone else doesn't...then it's a last word race from the ones who like it.
Same resistance to differing veiws... what's the diff.

Has one single proponent of this build simply said "ok, thanks for your opinion"..then move on. Not really...and that reeks of insecurity.

We are at the said and done phase...its over. Some like it...and others dont. You can try and change minds, fruitless that'll be... or you can just state facts and leave it at that. Theres no more room for those proponents to keep making excuses why it's perfect 'in their mind' or if it should be dome to begin with.

 

[George Jets]

714 castings are the exact same head as the 302 cylinder head for the 318s.

This 714 head pictured here is from a 1990 W150 truck with the 318 TBI roller engine.

With the factory 1.78/1.50 intake/exhaust valves.

Pictured below is a 675 open chamber 318 non-smog head, with the larger 1.88/1.60 intake/exhaust valves, (stock valves were 1.78/1.50).

Non-Smog 675 Head

 

[Hysteric]

Has one single proponent of this build simply said "ok, thanks for your opinion"..then move on. Not really...and that reeks of insecurity.

Dude did you do any thinking before you wrote this? If you think we need to acknowledge or validate yours and the other self proclaimed important peopels opinion on this forum you need help.

 

[4spdragtop]

48 pages later lol

 

[273]

We give opinion on it just like the opinion that drove the op to post it... problem IS some keep debating opinion.
Someone thought this was cool..and someone else doesn't...then it's a last word race from the ones who like it.
Same resistance to differing veiws... what's the diff.

Has one single proponent of this build simply said "ok, thanks for your opinion"..then move on. Not really...and that reeks of insecurity.

We are at the said and done phase...its over. Some like it...and others dont. You can try and change minds, fruitless that'll be... or you can just state facts and leave it at that. Theres no more room for those proponents to keep making excuses why it's perfect 'in their mind' or if it should be dome to begin with.

I’m all for you to express your opinion, even though you have the freedom to do so there is a time and place, like I think /6 performance wise is the worst engine to build and be much better off with even a 273, but I don’t go in their threads to tell them so that’s their thing and me endlessly saying their wrong would be more like harassment if someone is debating if they should go /6 or then fine I’ll throw in my 2 cents.

Everyone already knows from multiple threads you guys don’t like Tony and this project what more do you need to say?

Start a thread debating the merit’s of this build and trash it all you want including Tony and his viewer’s.

 

[glockr]

An

And uncle phony cant even assemble a basically stock 318 and have it survive break in. Hes one of the biggest frauds on YT, and honestly, anyone who follows that channel and thinks they are learning anything are literally to stupid to teach.

The best (and only redeeming) thing about UT's channel is the comments. So over the top and so funny... "OMG UT, I'm a retired Top Fuel crew chief and in my spare time I build NASCAR engines and develop space shuttle parts for NASA. I learn more from your videos than I ever learned in college. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with a mere mortal like me" and similar drivel.

OK, sorry for the interruption.

 

[George Jets]

1974 standard bore 318.

Cleaned up ready for next steps .

1968 std. 9.2:1 cr 318 pistons, floating rod type.

Flat Top with Valve Reliefs, sit .040 ths. down in the hole.
Very nice shape for 1968 Pistons, Was lucky to get them, originals.

Going to make a real nice 318 short block.

New 340 Camshaft ready to go.

Inline to make some power, just like 1968 and 1969.

Top it off with the 302 Closed Chamber Heads. Maybe a little port work to go along with them.

Yes Sir !

☆☆☆☆☆

 

[MOPAROFFICIAL]

The best (and only redeeming) thing about UT's channel is the comments. So over the top and so funny... "OMG UT, I'm a retired Top Fuel crew chief and in my spare time I build NASCAR engines and develop space shuttle parts for NASA. I learn more from your videos than I ever learned in college. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with a mere mortal like me" and similar drivel.

OK, sorry for the interruption.

Exactly...because its total crap.lol
All are tony & pals with burner accounts.
It's like ****ing yourself for public show.
Ridiculous.

I'm glad some people are really enjoying this series "M.I 318"..let's just hope for their sake it doesn't turn into M.I.A 318.

 

[fishmens67]

1974 standard bore 318.

Cleaned up ready for next steps .

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1968 std. 9.2:1 cr 318 pistons, floating rod type.

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Flat Top with Valve Reliefs, sit .040 ths. down in the hole.
Very nice shape for 1968 Pistons, Was lucky to get them, originals.

Going to make a real nice 318 short block.

New 340 Camshaft ready to go.

View attachment 1716035063


Inline to make some power, just like 1968 and 1969.

Top it off with the 302 Closed Chamber Heads. Maybe a little port work to go along with them.

Yes Sir !

☆☆☆☆☆

You Tube awaits you. your re-ring rebuild is a good candidate for the head you chose.
Low effort, little money and no R+D. A more realistic build with used parts.
More inline with the people looking for answers and knowledge on You Tube.

 

[MOPAROFFICIAL]

I’m all for you to express your opinion, even though you have the freedom to do so there is a time and place, like I think /6 performance wise is the worst engine to build and be much better off with even a 273, but I don’t go in their threads to tell them so that’s their thing and me endlessly saying their wrong would be more like harassment if someone is debating if they should go /6 or then fine I’ll throw in my 2 cents.

Everyone already knows from multiple threads you guys don’t like Tony and this project what more do you need to say?

Start a thread debating the merit’s of this build and trash it all you want including Tony and his viewer’s.

Everyone already questioned the merit and stated why. The come backs were taunting , some nonsensical gibberish..followed by non answers from a few. Disliking utg has no bearing on the methods and ways of this build. It would have only been more entertaining when it blew apart or didnt run at all after he glued it togther with boogers and duct tape.
Glad people enjoy the series MI318, watch on and enjoy. We can comment and not have to address/quote each other and start arguing all the time...unless you want to argue and you dont want people to reply...then well.. forums arent for you maybe.

 

[George Jets]

Icing on the Cake, top her off with the ported, 3 angle valve job, 302 heads.

 

[fishmens67]

My personal opinion is, I have no use for a worked head that produces less than 270 cfm @.500.