Early A 22" radiator saddle
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pettybludart
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I believe they did!
65barracudadude
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Yes, and I would like to get one.
Mark Nixon
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IIRC, '65 was the first year for a 22" support in an A body.
'64 273 A bodies still had 19 inch radiators.
Still have a '66 273 three row 22" radiator I'm kicking around, yet.
Mark.
'64 273 A bodies still had 19 inch radiators.
Still have a '66 273 three row 22" radiator I'm kicking around, yet.
Mark.
pettybludart
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65barracudadude
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Hey Mark Nixon, I would like to purchase that radiator from you if you decide to sell it. I really need it for my '65 barracuda. It is the last piece for my V8 swap.
64's came with 22 inch radiators, on in A/C cars..... with the two piece shroud as well...
moparlee
64 Valiant
I took the core support off of a 65 cuda back 93 or 94 and put in my 64. That car had the three core radiator in it also. The tank was leaking all the time, I took the top off the tank(cause the tanks or two piece on top anyways) from a 65 cuda two core and had them put in mine. You can of see it in this photo. I had it recored.....it had the factory shroud also.
Charrlie_S
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I could be wrong, but I don't think so. The opening in the radiator support is not large enough for a 22 in radiator. How did they install the 22 rad, in a 19 in opening?
BobsDart
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My 64 V8 came with a 19" rad. I replaced it with a "Quanta" 22" 3row. I opened up the rad support to get full use. Both had driver side lower hose.
I have since gone to an aluminum pass side rad... The 22" is in good shape, top tank similar to oem.. It is for sale if someone needs one...$150 +ship
PM me if interested..
Bob
I have since gone to an aluminum pass side rad... The 22" is in good shape, top tank similar to oem.. It is for sale if someone needs one...$150 +ship
PM me if interested..
Bob
cavemanmoron
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my 1964 Valiant has the small opening.
Built Jan 64 if I recall correctly.
Built Jan 64 if I recall correctly.
'64 Cuda
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"64's came with 22 inch radiators, on in A/C cars..... with the two piece shroud as well..."
"I could be wrong, but I don't think so. The opening in the radiator support is not large enough for a 22 in radiator. How did they install the 22 rad, in a 19 in opening?"
I tend to agree with Charlie S. Both the 64 Barracuda's I have here have 19" radiator openings. I don't think AC was offered as a factory option on A bodies until 1965. I may be wrong. I have a 1964 Barracuda brochure that mentions AC as an option, but shows no pictures of it & all 64's with AC that I've seen were Dealer installed under dash units. I think it was called "Chrysler Air-Temp" or something like that. I've got one out in my shop.
"I could be wrong, but I don't think so. The opening in the radiator support is not large enough for a 22 in radiator. How did they install the 22 rad, in a 19 in opening?"
I tend to agree with Charlie S. Both the 64 Barracuda's I have here have 19" radiator openings. I don't think AC was offered as a factory option on A bodies until 1965. I may be wrong. I have a 1964 Barracuda brochure that mentions AC as an option, but shows no pictures of it & all 64's with AC that I've seen were Dealer installed under dash units. I think it was called "Chrysler Air-Temp" or something like that. I've got one out in my shop.
Since I know 64 Barracuda personally & know his car very well it does indeed have air conditioning and an original 22" radiator with shroud. I could be wrong especially with the way mopar would change stuff back in the day but I think even in the early cars the 19" radiators were mounted on supports with a 22" opening.
Oldschoolcuda
Oldschoolcuda
moparlee
64 Valiant
My core support had a real small opening......that's why I swapped them out. I'm not saying that all cars were like this, but mine had the same opening.
Fellas,
Take a look at some of the pictures I posted. My 64 with A/C is 22 inch and so Is the 65 Signet that started off life as a 170 /6. Notice how my Radiators have the top hose to the drivers side of the filler cap, non-a/c and /6 have them on the left of the filler cap. Hope this helps.
Take a look at some of the pictures I posted. My 64 with A/C is 22 inch and so Is the 65 Signet that started off life as a 170 /6. Notice how my Radiators have the top hose to the drivers side of the filler cap, non-a/c and /6 have them on the left of the filler cap. Hope this helps.
Could be that some real late 64's did come with the larger core support and 22 inch radiators, Late in the year changes to the next model year's stuff was not uncommon back then nor was using leftover stuff in next year's models.
Could be, 64 was a half model year. My car was built in July 64. Haven't looked into the Signet yet, but its a 65.
Bottom line is there were a few 64's built with a 22 inch radiator. I would have to say that the 65 Signet I have is a mystery because it started out life as a 170 /6 automatic non-a/c car, It has a 22 inch radiator in it too, not original but it bolts right up.
Bottom line is there were a few 64's built with a 22 inch radiator. I would have to say that the 65 Signet I have is a mystery because it started out life as a 170 /6 automatic non-a/c car, It has a 22 inch radiator in it too, not original but it bolts right up.
'64 Cuda
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I'm certainly not going to argue on this one. One thing I've learned is that anything is possible with old Mopars. I'm going to have to see if I can determine the build dates for the 2 cars I have. My guess is that they're both early production 64s.
I have a question for 64 Barracuda. You have a 64 Barracuda with a factory installed AC system? How is it controlled inside the car? I've seen 65 models that have push buttons in the dash to control AC, along with (IIRC) a smaller version of the normal 65 heater controls and a thin AC vent system mounted under the dash. Does your 64 have the 3 round knobs in the dash for the heater control? Can you post a pic of the inside AC controls? This is the first factory AC system I've heard of in a 64 & I'm curious as to how they did it.
I have a question for 64 Barracuda. You have a 64 Barracuda with a factory installed AC system? How is it controlled inside the car? I've seen 65 models that have push buttons in the dash to control AC, along with (IIRC) a smaller version of the normal 65 heater controls and a thin AC vent system mounted under the dash. Does your 64 have the 3 round knobs in the dash for the heater control? Can you post a pic of the inside AC controls? This is the first factory AC system I've heard of in a 64 & I'm curious as to how they did it.
cavemanmoron
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Yes, the Barracuda was a late year build,
and from the input/complaints of dealers, {and Customers} Chrysler had enlarged the radiator for the V8 cars.
My Valiant was built in the first month of the 273 V8 intro.
and had the "normal" small opening.
I would guess, that most of the 1965 cars had the larger opening,
to cut costs, one radiator support was most likely made, and the small 1963-64 19" ones were used up as time went along.
and from the input/complaints of dealers, {and Customers} Chrysler had enlarged the radiator for the V8 cars.
My Valiant was built in the first month of the 273 V8 intro.
and had the "normal" small opening.
I would guess, that most of the 1965 cars had the larger opening,
to cut costs, one radiator support was most likely made, and the small 1963-64 19" ones were used up as time went along.
Its the standard knee knocker system that Chrysler put in all the small cars, the only thing coming from the factory is the radiator. Usually they just put the A/C system in a box in the back seat, this gave the dealers the option to install it in the car or not. My car came with power steering and power brakes, when the owner before it ordered it he checked off all the options. The day it arrived he went down to the dealer and took a few pictures, it was kind of wierd because the pictures show the cut outs for the a/c lines in the firewall with plastic caps in them, I never knew this to happen. Anyways a week later he went back to the dealer and picked it up with the A/C system in it along with the Radio which didn't come in them either in 64 until after September. There are some 63 Valiants and Darts and early 64's with tube radios in them. Chrysler had the radios sent right from the supplier because everyone wanted the transistor radio.
I think too that there were probably a few (hundreds?) Radiator supports left over in 63, maybe if the car didn't have any options or was a /6 they put in the 19 inch?
But there is no arguing on here its all cool man, I find out new stuff all the time and I have had my car for 25 years still learing new stuff.
A couple of years ago I found out from Govier that I have one of a hand full of cars that has my options, along with the Signet quarter panel spears which were usually only on Signets. Go figure.
I would like to take a poll though on this Radiator mystery, only because my 65 Signet I would have thought to only have a 19 inch radiator. My only conclusion is that the used 22 inch radiators for Automatics as well as A/C cars?? But we have already seen some disparities in that one on here too.
The saga continues...
I think too that there were probably a few (hundreds?) Radiator supports left over in 63, maybe if the car didn't have any options or was a /6 they put in the 19 inch?
But there is no arguing on here its all cool man, I find out new stuff all the time and I have had my car for 25 years still learing new stuff.
A couple of years ago I found out from Govier that I have one of a hand full of cars that has my options, along with the Signet quarter panel spears which were usually only on Signets. Go figure.
I would like to take a poll though on this Radiator mystery, only because my 65 Signet I would have thought to only have a 19 inch radiator. My only conclusion is that the used 22 inch radiators for Automatics as well as A/C cars?? But we have already seen some disparities in that one on here too.
The saga continues...
'64 Cuda
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Info for the poll.
Both of the 64 cars I have came with the 19" opening. One was an auto trans car & the other was a 4 speed. My Mother had a 1965 Barracuda with a 6 & it had a 22" radiator opening. The 65 & the 64 auto trans car didn't have AC. The 64 4 speed car had AC but I always assumed it was a dealer installed unit. It didn't have any radiator shroud & neither did the 65 6 cylinder car. Don't know about the 64 auto trans car as it's a parts car & had no radiator when I got it. I can double check but I don't remember any holes in it for AC lines.
Do you have any pics showing the location of the holes in the firewall? I'd be interested in comparing them to the holes in mine to see if they're in the same place. If they are, then I'd think that the holes in mine could have been put there at the factory & the AC might have arrived in the trunk like you mentioned. Also, I don't recall the receiver drier being mounted on the inner fender on my 64 4 speed car. Pretty sure it was somewhere behind the grille, but I took it off of the car over 30 years ago & my memory is a bit fuzzy.
Both of the 64 cars I have came with the 19" opening. One was an auto trans car & the other was a 4 speed. My Mother had a 1965 Barracuda with a 6 & it had a 22" radiator opening. The 65 & the 64 auto trans car didn't have AC. The 64 4 speed car had AC but I always assumed it was a dealer installed unit. It didn't have any radiator shroud & neither did the 65 6 cylinder car. Don't know about the 64 auto trans car as it's a parts car & had no radiator when I got it. I can double check but I don't remember any holes in it for AC lines.
Do you have any pics showing the location of the holes in the firewall? I'd be interested in comparing them to the holes in mine to see if they're in the same place. If they are, then I'd think that the holes in mine could have been put there at the factory & the AC might have arrived in the trunk like you mentioned. Also, I don't recall the receiver drier being mounted on the inner fender on my 64 4 speed car. Pretty sure it was somewhere behind the grille, but I took it off of the car over 30 years ago & my memory is a bit fuzzy.
These are very old pictures let me know if you need better ones. The lines go in through the fire wall right by the trans dipstick. After looking at these photos there not the best give me a day or so and I'll give you everything you will need. Im pretty good with cars, this computer crap not so much I have pictures, somewhere..... send me an email so they can be bigger FABO makes em to small.
Rick
Rick
Furious65
C-body Guy
Sorry to go off topic but long time no see Mark. Kelly here (aka Thunderhead). How you doing man? Drop me a line some time.
'64 Cuda
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Couldn't tell much from the pics but it looks like the holes are larger than they are in my car. They're in the same general location though. Also, I checked my 64 auto trans parts car & it looks like it had AC at one time.
On the 64 4 speed car the holes are about 1" in diameter and are located one above the other. They're centered almost directly under the inner set of bolts for the heater motor.
On the 64 auto trans car the holes are about the same size but are side by side. They're probably about 1 1/2" apart & the point halfway between them is about centered with the heater motor.
Sorry it will have to wait US Navy calls, I will be on the ship for a few weeks.
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