Edelbrock Heads for 318

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Back in 1976 when we ran a Super stock L automatic car which was a 65 chevelle ss/327 we won a few national events and set national records with the car.Now this is a little 327 with origanal rods and crank,heads,and carb,and weight was 3400lbs,and made some 450HP from this little beast and had a best of 11.36,and this is 30 years ago boys.Today you have parts that are light years ahead for yesterdays so called performance parts and you are not running with a rule book and do not have to go to tear down each week.You people stand there and say it can,t be done,what ever you guys and gals are smoking,put it down and buy better stuff,PLEASE.Our car was restricted to the stock carb,425CFM,and the motor turned in the traps at 8200-8600rpm.Now with some of the specs on the page of the S/S car,you now have the use of any thing your little heart wants as long as the wallet allows it and you say it can,t be done,this is total BULLSHIT from begining to end,and every thing inbetween.If you want to run the numbers in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile its not a problem if you wish to listen,for the ones that do not,to each his own,thats your right.I will put this up for your taking to any one how has any balls to do it.I put up my dodge ram pickup,65 chrysler 300,and my pro street dart to any one that can prove that what bobby joseph has stated is bull **** and that he is running a bigger motor than what is stated or is running some kind of power adder to the car,or if there is 1 part that is some kind of trick part that no one has ever seen.If you are a man,step up to the plate,and when you lose the bet,you are paying the beer,the racing weekend and gasket set for the 318 so you can see for your self that it is a 318 running 7.40 in 1/8,so lets see who is a man,cause I love cold beer,mrmopartech
 
I agree with most of what you say BJR... Detail is the king. But comparing an NHRA pro stock plant to a 800" mountain motor is like comparing a Vtec 2.0L with a small turbo to a 340 with NOS. That 800" is basically built with the "bigger is better" thought, vs the high tech science it out and do everything perfect approach. they are not even apples to oranges..maybe apples to watermelons...lol. Interesetingly, mountain motor pro stocks are 11mph faster going by records on the sites.

MrM, I dont recall anyone calling BJR a liar... We all just have different schools of thought. Chill out man...lol.
 
Lars said:
While I understand that a teen needs port velocity, 2.02 valves may not mean a death sentence immediately (IMO), especially if you are using a power adder.

Yeah it is! IMO

Oh yeah, and I wouldn't cut down a 360 crank when I can just buy one new with the mains already the correct size.
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Agree
 
Boy I'm gone for a couple of days and everyone hates the 318.......have doubts about the 318 with Eddy heads......stock eddy heads mind you and running on pump gas with 9.5:1 CR.......take a look at my sig......I'll run your 360 or 340 anyday.....stock stroke. Can a 360 make more power than a 318 yes....it has a bigger stroke and bore. Why build a 318 over a 360.....tpiss people off when they get beat by it.....no one and I mean no one even mopar guys believe I run a stock stroke 318 even with the drugs......and to be honest I could be running in the bottom 11's if I was running some KB flat tops, port job on the head and running slicks....hell maybe even 10's with a more radical cam.
 
Dusterb318 said:
Boy I'm gone for a couple of days and everyone hates the 318.......have doubts about the 318 with Eddy heads......stock eddy heads mind you and running on pump gas with 9.5:1 CR.......take a look at my sig......
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He he he, I know what you mean. Take a break for a couple of days and the world goes FUBAR on you.

What does the Duster run w/o the N02?
M-1 single plane?
Whats the gear ratio?
Whats your solids duration @ .050, lift?

Inquireing minds.....
 
rumblefish360 said:
What does the Duster run w/o the N02?
M-1 single plane?
Whats the gear ratio?
Whats your solids duration @ .050, lift?

Inquireing minds.....
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I ran a best of 13.00 @ 104.66 mph N/A.....Yep i run a port matched M1 intake with 4.10 rear gears and 28" tallk BFG radial drags. The cam's duration is 220/228 @ .050 and .495/.488 lift.
 
I wonder what your car would do with a good set of 318 heads verses the eddy's, as the eddys are too much for the small bore of the 318. I think that you would be very impressed with a good set of 302 heads.
According to Edelbrock there heads flow 232 cfm's @ .400 lift and they claim that they are 171 cc's of port volume, now if you could get the same flow with a 135 cc port runner head then the efficentcy will go up drastically and make more power and torque, also the valve would be smaller. Instead of the 2.02 you would have a 1.78 this will also help. I can say this as I'm running a 318 on 87 octane and NA without power adders and can run upper 10's and lower 11's all day long with stock .040 pistons and a .480 hyd.cam, and the engine uses all factory stock parts. So I know that a 318 is very under estimated as a power producer, I guess thats why I built one just to get to people that have bigger engines, and I don't need race gas.
 
I agree with you BJR on the heads.....it would be a very interesting test and I totally understand what you are saying. I bought the eddy heads before I understood or knew anything about head flow and the effect velocity has on it.....so I am doing the best I can with what I got.....I know I could have my 3310 pd car in the low 12's with a N/A 318 with what I know now.
 
Hey duster, what pistons are you running? I have an extra 318 laying in the corner, a 4 speed, and a 73 swinger /6 with low oil pressure. :O
 
Lars said:
Hey duster, what pistons are you running? I have an extra 318 laying in the corner, a 4 speed, and a 73 swinger /6 with low oil pressure. :O
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Crappy TRW forged flat tops......If I was to do it over again I'd go witht he KB flat tops or domed pistons....I could get away with 11:1 on pump premium with the eddy heads.
 
Dusterb318 said:
Crappy TRW forged flat tops......If I was to do it over again I'd go witht he KB flat tops or domed pistons....I could get away with 11:1 on pump premium with the eddy heads.
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Are those the only forged available for a 318? I kinda want to play around with some NO2 eventually, and I know forged will be more forgiving then hypers will.
 
KB makes one now I think...but at the time they were the only off the shelf forged piston.....KB tell me their hypers will take up to a 300 shot as long as you don't go lean with the kit.....like non of us nitrous junkies have ever done that.....
 
The 318 is a great motor but low 11's in the quarter mile with no nitrous or supercharger ? Unless the car is superlight I do not see how that is poss. Maybe that the same track Car & Driver takes these new cars they claim are 12 second ones, ha ha. There are a few pro stock cars that can go 135 mph in the quarter but they are all running more than a carb. 318 on pure 87 octane gasoline. Those 302 heads might give as much as 75 horse more but still means 375-400 horse power at the very top and on 87 octane, boy I don't know, that must be some good stuff you are smoking. I believe to get a 3500 lbs car in the uper 10's which is also about a 135 mph speed you need like 550-600 HP.
 
BJR Racing said:
I wonder what your car would do with a good set of 318 heads verses the eddy's, as the eddys are too much for the small bore of the 318. I think that you would be very impressed with a good set of 302 heads.
According to Edelbrock there heads flow 232 cfm's @ .400 lift and they claim that they are 171 cc's of port volume, now if you could get the same flow with a 135 cc port runner head then the efficentcy will go up drastically and make more power and torque, also the valve would be smaller. Instead of the 2.02 you would have a 1.78 this will also help. I can say this as I'm running a 318 on 87 octane and NA without power adders and can run upper 10's and lower 11's all day long with stock .040 pistons and a .480 hyd.cam, and the engine uses all factory stock parts. So I know that a 318 is very under estimated as a power producer, I guess thats why I built one just to get to people that have bigger engines, and I don't need race gas.
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WOW--The late Smokey Yunick would have been very surprise at the track with your 318 motor, thats for sure.

What the heck is NA ? That what must be making all that power, Did you mean Nitrous ? That might explain it but I still don't see how stock parts are holding up unless those are 340 stock rods and crank but cast pistons and 87 octane?
 
dodge freak said:
What the heck is NA ? Did you mean Nitrous ? but I still don't see how stock parts are holding up unless those are 340 stock rods and crank but cast pistons and 87 octane?
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NA meaning Natrually Asperated. (Serious spelling errors today.)
Stock MoPar rods are a strong steel. More so than other brands of car manufactures. So are the blocks. They have a higher nickel content.
Cats pistons are seriously underated. You can get away with alot if done right. Things like a light car help short comings in many areas like small displacement, lower comp. ratio's, low stall and suspension not up to par.
 
I agree these old Mopar's were made very good, thats why I like them more than GM. There were some nice looking cars at Ford and GM but most were made cheap. Mopar's had their problems with that lean burn and F. I. but they cast all the parts out of good metal even the bumpers. Everything is stronger in a Mopar than GM and Fords. Maybe in the 60's it was more even but things really changed in the 70's. I would not own anything today that GM and Ford made say between 1976-1980. Well farther than that but the Mopars in 76-80 were still good stuff, you just had to throw that lean burn and other stuff in the trash. The block, heads, trans-expect for the lock up conveters which a trans guy can change, bumpers where all much better in a Mopar. Too bad Chrysler allmost went bankrup and had to get cheap like everyone else.
 
dodge freak said:
WOW--The late Smokey Yunick would have been very surprise at the track with your 318 motor, thats for sure.

What the heck is NA ? That what must be making all that power, Did you mean Nitrous ? That might explain it but I still don't see how stock parts are holding up unless those are 340 stock rods and crank but cast pistons and 87 octane?
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Why don't YOU take Mr Mopartech up on his offer and put it in the other lane?
Also he's willing to lose his what are you willing to lose? Oh and there's going to be a tear down after the run and a fuel check. When I'm right YOU LOSE, as he said got Balls? Remember it's 87 octane and 318 up to .040 over bore all stock parts. .480 hyd cam and steel rockers 1.5 as the stock engines had these.(273)
 
Did not say I going to race you, thats not for me. Too much "work" trying to time the green light and hooking it up, you need a high stall conveter and other stuff. I just can not believe a 318 in a 3500 lbs car even a 3000 lbs car can run in the 10's. Thats all, If you are as fast as you say I just might see you on ESPN one day. Good Luck.
 
Dodge freak,you don,t have to race any one,just put your car on the track and run the car for your best time.Then you would run your car against Bobby,s car with the proper time difference as in bracket racing to show you all non believers how fast a stock engnie can go.The idea is you could run your car,maybe it runs 9.5-10.0 seconds in the 1/8 mile and you would get the 2 second head start and bobby would leave and beat you to the lights and then we would tear down the motor and check the fuel and after its proven to you its a 318 motor with no special parts you pay for the day and the gaskets,and do us all 1 small favor at the track,whic h we will talk about later.You lose only a bit of cash for expenses and I (might) lose my 3 cars,and trucks.Seems fare to a betteing man that is 100% sure its impossible that a 318 motor can do this,hey,its money in the bank,RIGHT,Mrmopartech
P.S. Me and bobby are going to eat and drink very good on that saturday and sunday,and have some extra beer money too.
 
Mrmopartech said:
P.S. Me and bobby are going to eat and drink very good on that saturday and sunday,and have some extra beer money too.
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Move over and I'll by the first couple of rounds! I'll get my own steak. He he he he.
 
Rumby,i think we could have a good time,or we could try to remember if we had a time the night before,just think,canadian beer,drag racing,and woman,and non believes to pay for it all,Mrmopartech
 
Screw that, I don't need to prove nothing. I am not the one cliaming to run in the high 10's in the quarter. Maybe I am wrong--sure would not be the first time, ha ha. I would think a few racing teams would like to have you as a helper, you could get rich. Cause 10's on a 318 is darn darn good, you must have a specail skill. Stop drinking beer and send out your time slips. Maybe hot rod will run a story on you. Expect they might get 10 letters like that every month so I am not sure what you can do. But if its true word will get out. Then you be hotter than Paris Hilton.
 
Dodge freak,you do not have to prove that you can race,what we want is for you to show up and prove Bobby and my self wrong,and take home three cars and trucks and some cash,and post that we do not know what we are talking about and post that its all bullshit,if it turns out to be that.But if it turns out to be true,you have to be able to eat crow with BBQ sauce and post that you have seen the light my freind,and that it is possible.So the ball is in your court,want to play? Mrmopartech
Dodge freak,if you ever see Bobby at the track in shorts,and a T-shirt,he is hotter than Paris Hilton,which is not saying much,Mrmopartech
 
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