hellwig swaybar install

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AdamR said:
It probably wouldnt be a bad idea to weld the washers to the frame rail. This way if the end links come loose they dont wallow out the hole you drilled.
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They actually do suggest this in the instructions for HD use. FWIW, ALL the nuts that come in the kit are swaged(square punch mark on the outside) and act like locknuts.
 
dartley said:
Don't remember where I read it - years and years ago. But I had thought that the ratio for non A/C cars to be more like 55/45 (which is very good).
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Using my actual numbers, if one subtracts exactly 100lbs. off only the front, I get 56.7% front. The evaporator is behind the wheels, and the condenser is in front of them, with the compressor about right over them, so I'm thinking 1% shift by ditching the A/C.
 
redfastback said:
according to the directions, the inner holes increase the stiffness of the bar. yes you have to drill thru the frame but they give you an insert that fits in the frame rail and a washer straddles it. it says to start off in the outer hole and get the feel of the car with that and then go in one hole if need be.
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You mean the "aft" holes, not "inner". When you move the endlink-to-bar attach point from the forward hole to the mid hole or aft hole, you decrease the leverage the axle has on the body, producing more anti-sway.
 
mopar340dave said:
You mean the "aft" holes, not "inner". When you move the endlink-to-bar attach point from the forward hole to the mid hole or aft hole, you decrease the leverage the axle has on the body, producing more anti-sway.
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uhhh...yeah those holes.:toothy10: You start out at the holes closer to the front of the car and move toward the rear. English is not one of my forte's...(fortay?) How the helk do you spell that anyway????:-D:angry7:

Either way, I should be at SpringFling in the Hellwig booth to display my car with the bars in place.
 
redfastback said:
uhhh...yeah those holes.:toothy10: You start out at the holes closer to the front of the car and move toward the rear. English is not one of my forte's...(fortay?) How the helk do you spell that anyway????:-D:angry7:

Either way, I should be at SpringFling in the Hellwig booth to display my car with the bars in place.
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Oh man! Now you screwed up! Isn't forte a French word, originally?
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I just finished the install of my front sway bar and thought you'd be interested in what I found.

I have a '69 GTS and overall the fit was very good. I have a slight angle issue with the bushings on the sway bar ends fitting perfectly but nothing I'm worried about since once I tightened the bolts everything looked acceptable. I'm very happy with what I see, it's lightyears beyond the Addco POS I replaced.

Only nit picky things I have to point out are as follows.

1) Mounting hardware was not all the same finish. Some were gold (anadized)and others were zinc finish. No big deal but on a car I've put 15 years of work into and countless money, I'm picky with everything being 100% the same. 4 bolts on the instructions were suppose to be 1 1/4" long I had 8 1" long bolts (5 zinc... grade 5, 3 gold... grade 8). All worked fine though. I replaced all with stainless hardware anyway.

2) My car had factory LCA sway bar brackets. I had to remove these for proper fit. Again, with going to the supplied 3/16" thick bracket (which is what I would have done anyway) it was no big deal since it'll be stronger than factory. It's just I wish I would have known this before I had everything installed. You may want to know this before you install on your car. It's alot easier to remove if your LCA is out of your car but it's not required. I removed mine with a pneumatic cut-off wheel and 2" sanding disk.

Overall a great piece! I would recommend to anyone.

Now it's onto my rear sway bar. This could be a challenge. I think my electric fuel pump is going to be in the way. :-( Oh well, gotta love working on these cars if you own them huh?

Cheers and Mopar to ya!
 
360dartgts said:
I just finished the install of my front sway bar and thought you'd be interested in what I found.

I have a '69 GTS and overall the fit was very good. I have a slight angle issue with the bushings on the sway bar ends fitting perfectly but nothing I'm worried about since once I tightened the bolts everything looked acceptable. I'm very happy with what I see, it's lightyears beyond the Addco POS I replaced.

Only nit picky things I have to point out are as follows.

1) Mounting hardware was not all the same finish. Some were gold (anadized)and others were zinc finish. No big deal but on a car I've put 15 years of work into and countless money, I'm picky with everything being 100% the same. 4 bolts on the instructions were suppose to be 1 1/4" long I had 8 1" long bolts (5 zinc... grade 5, 3 gold... grade 8). All worked fine though. I replaced all with stainless hardware anyway.

2) My car had factory LCA sway bar brackets. I had to remove these for proper fit. Again, with going to the supplied 3/16" thick bracket (which is what I would have done anyway) it was no big deal since it'll be stronger than factory. It's just I wish I would have known this before I had everything installed. You may want to know this before you install on your car. It's alot easier to remove if your LCA is out of your car but it's not required. I removed mine with a pneumatic cut-off wheel and 2" sanding disk.

Overall a great piece! I would recommend to anyone.

Now it's onto my rear sway bar. This could be a challenge. I think my electric fuel pump is going to be in the way. :-( Oh well, gotta love working on these cars if you own them huh?

Cheers and Mopar to ya!
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Why is it better than the Addco bar? Better installation? Better look? Better handling from it?
 
360dartgts said:
I just finished the install of my front sway bar and thought you'd be interested in what I found.

I have a '69 GTS and overall the fit was very good. I have a slight angle issue with the bushings on the sway bar ends fitting perfectly but nothing I'm worried about since once I tightened the bolts everything looked acceptable. I'm very happy with what I see, it's lightyears beyond the Addco POS I replaced.

Only nit picky things I have to point out are as follows.

1) Mounting hardware was not all the same finish. Some were gold (anadized)and others were zinc finish. No big deal but on a car I've put 15 years of work into and countless money, I'm picky with everything being 100% the same. 4 bolts on the instructions were suppose to be 1 1/4" long I had 8 1" long bolts (5 zinc... grade 5, 3 gold... grade 8). All worked fine though. I replaced all with stainless hardware anyway.

2) My car had factory LCA sway bar brackets. I had to remove these for proper fit. Again, with going to the supplied 3/16" thick bracket (which is what I would have done anyway) it was no big deal since it'll be stronger than factory. It's just I wish I would have known this before I had everything installed. You may want to know this before you install on your car. It's alot easier to remove if your LCA is out of your car but it's not required. I removed mine with a pneumatic cut-off wheel and 2" sanding disk.

Overall a great piece! I would recommend to anyone.

Now it's onto my rear sway bar. This could be a challenge. I think my electric fuel pump is going to be in the way. :-( Oh well, gotta love working on these cars if you own them huh?

Cheers and Mopar to ya!
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I would hope that Dave @ Hellwig will be able to answer the question about the LCA tabs. I don't believe I ever heard back about it. They might have to make a 2nd bar for factory sway bar tabs.
 
redfastback said:
I would hope that Dave @ Hellwig will be able to answer the question about the LCA tabs. I don't believe I ever heard back about it. They might have to make a 2nd bar for factory sway bar tabs.
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Which is one of the nice things about the Addco bar - it works with these - or at least with some of them. Bad thing is that it interferes with brake calipers when on lift fully distended ( and fully left or right lock)
 
IMHO

The Addco bar hung too low and was a major eyesore. The installation instructions... well... we're not included. So you have parts and no direction on what goes where.

The Hellwig bar is tight to the K and ground clearance is not an issue at all. If you want a great sway bar buy the Hellwig and don't turn back.
 
360dartgts said:
IMHO

The Addco bar hung too low and was a major eyesore. The installation instructions... well... we're not included. So you have parts and no direction on what goes where.

The Hellwig bar is tight to the K and ground clearance is not an issue at all. If you want a great sway bar buy the Hellwig and don't turn back.
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Okay, fair enough. But I have to answer and say that the front Addco bar does not sit too low on my Duster - it fits inside the rad -2- K middle support. I did make up K member supports from, roughly, 1/4 thick mild steel, which a welder connected to the supplied 'L' support, so that the K attachment uses the two bolt supports that the factory bar uses. If anyone has the Addco bar, you might want to consider doing this. The rear Addco bar does fit low. That's because the 'U' supports on the axle housing are too narrow - and long - for the 8.75" axle. This is corrected by removing some of the material on both sides of each 'U' - maybe an inch or two (don't remember exactly). I know that the frame mounted rear bar is preferable to the axle mount from an unsprung weight point of view ... but the 8.75" is so heavy as it is, I doubt another 10 lbs will ever show under any street condition. Mind you, I am not defending the Addco bars and I certainly don't get any commission from them - LOL - but fair is fair ... if SOME modification is still needed for the Hellwig bar, as mentioned, then compare the modified version to a modified Addco ... zall I am saying.
 
OK.... So it's been over a year now and nobodies driven their car yet ????
Did I miss a post ? How do they perform ?
 
First off, I have driven my car. It is night and day. The handling is better than expected.

Seondly, in regards to the Addco bar, the only bar that is any good is the 73-76 one that has the flat metal plates for the frame mounts. The 67-72 SUCKS. the frame mount is a joke. An L bracket with a vertical placement for the D-shaped bushing.....gimme a break. JUNK...JUNK .......JUNK.
 
I did forget to mention that I was referencing the front bar. The rear Addco bar is a joke as well. The Hellwig has a sawtooth axle mount that does not bend and spit bushings out like the addco U-shaped piece( I have had that happen on mulitple customers cars). The frame mounts for the rear Addco bar are inferior to the Hellwig, especially being that the Hellwig is adjustable. Big + in my book.
 
The front bar should not require cutting the factory tabs off the LCA. We include the shock mount brackets for installations without factory mounts. If anyone is having problems with using factory mounting tabs, please call me at 559-734-7451 and we will get the issue resolved.
 
360dartgts said:
2) My car had factory LCA sway bar brackets. I had to remove these for proper fit. Again, with going to the supplied 3/16" thick bracket (which is what I would have done anyway) it was no big deal since it'll be stronger than factory. It's just I wish I would have known this before I had everything installed. You may want to know this before you install on your car. It's alot easier to remove if your LCA is out of your car but it's not required. I removed mine with a pneumatic cut-off wheel and 2" sanding disk.
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Which control arms,72/older, or 73/newer?
And what is the part# of the bar?
I don't want to have to deal with that issue.
Thx
 
You should not have to remove the factory brackets to install our sway bar, if it doesn't fit we will make it right.
 
where and how can I order the front and back of these swaybars?
 
Here is the new tubular model front bar from Hellwig for my '71 Dart.
Many thanks to Dave from Hellwig who assisted in getting this part correctly ordered through Suspension Connection.

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340_dart_power said:
Here is the new tubular model front bar from Hellwig for my '71 Dart.
Many thanks to Dave from Hellwig who assisted in getting this part correctly ordered through Suspension Connection.
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Where can I buy one of these and for how much?
 
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