Highest flowing sbm heads?

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Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about The Indy/RHS IMM heads?
I think there an excellent street head in a normal car, really good for hot rods as well. While there ultimate cfm flow isn’t super high, they can be a very good head.

IIRC, @mderoy340 runs them on his car.
Again, IIRC, I think he ran a PB in the 11’s? I’m not sure, perhaps he will choke in. His combo is not set on kill FWIW.
It’s a dead reliable set up.
I don’t remember anybody trying a “On Kill” with these heads. But I don’t see a reason they would not perform really well.
 
Man, you are mad. I am sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Oh and by the way if you look around there are a lot of people making 4 digit horsepower with a stock block. Oh and Brett Miller just did a set of CNC W5's that made well over 850 on the motor. I guess he likes sprinklers too. I love the internet myths. People throwing big money on crap they don't need because some know it all demands that he be the authority on it.

It has everything to do with good flowing heads. EVERYTHING. See folks who are scared of power adders beat their chest like power adder guys are Neanderthal dumbasses. Well I have built a lot of engines for me, my friends, and paying customers. N/A as well as power adders. And I can promise you that a crappy working engine will make a crappy running boosted motor. Do yourself a favor read the articles Kenny Duttweiler has written on the subject.

No truer words have been said. People who get this have "magical" engines that live and make killer power at low boost. Don't tell anyone but I have a Ritter block in my current combo so its not like a dog in this fight.


You are talking right straight out of your *** if you think flow is everything. It’s not even close that its NOT everything.

Do you actually port and flow cylinder heads and build engine? And I don’t mean bolt them together?

Asking for a friend.
 
Flow isn't everything, of course. lots of other factors at play. However, fundamentally, you must have enough flow, to burn enough fuel, to convert that fuel to energy. Flow, fuel burn rate, and power are all absolutely directly correlated.
 
You are talking right straight out of your *** if you think flow is everything. It’s not even close that its NOT everything.

Do you actually port and flow cylinder heads and build engine? And I don’t mean bolt them together?

Asking for a friend.
I figured you would have some valuable input on the W series heads.
 
I think there an excellent street head in a normal car, really good for hot rods as well. While there ultimate cfm flow isn’t super high, they can be a very good head.

IIRC, @mderoy340 runs them on his car.
Again, IIRC, I think he ran a PB in the 11’s? I’m not sure, perhaps he will choke in. His combo is not set on kill FWIW.
It’s a dead reliable set up.
I don’t remember anybody trying a “On Kill” with these heads. But I don’t see a reason they would not perform really well.

I think Mderoy has some IMM prepped rhs heads. They are 270cfm head. Not available anymore but a nice flowing budget steel head.
I think IMM might’ve had a cnc program for the intake port that got them to 290cfm.

Anyways, not really a head to spend much time on in a thread about “highest flowing SBM heads”.
 
I think there an excellent street head in a normal car, really good for hot rods as well. While there ultimate cfm flow isn’t super high, they can be a very good head.

IIRC, @mderoy340 runs them on his car.
Again, IIRC, I think he ran a PB in the 11’s? I’m not sure, perhaps he will choke in. His combo is not set on kill FWIW.
It’s a dead reliable set up.
I don’t remember anybody trying a “On Kill” with these heads. But I don’t see a reason they would not perform really well.
I tried a BIG setup and made paltry 581 HP @417ci with them. IIRC IQ52 made 600+HP with the RHS's--I could never get there. J.Rob
 
You are talking right straight out of your *** if you think flow is everything. It’s not even close that its NOT everything.

Do you actually port and flow cylinder heads and build engine? And I don’t mean bolt them together?

Asking for a friend.

If you would just take a minute and read the whole thing and other things I stated, instead of flying off the handle and looking like an ***, you would find out that is not what I meant.

I think Mderoy has some IMM prepped rhs heads. They are 270cfm head. Not available anymore but a nice flowing budget steel head.
I think IMM might’ve had a cnc program for the intake port that got them to 290cfm.

Anyways, not really a head to spend much time on in a thread about “highest flowing SBM heads”.

That was a great head that every small block should have gotten, cheap and made good power. It's a shame they don't make them anymore.

I figured you would have some valuable input on the W series heads.

Nope, he is too busy getting hurt feelings from the new guy disagreeing with his internet friends.
 
I'd definitely like to learn more about them too
There is a lot of info out there and a lot of bad info. Basically, if you want to buy a new W head the 9 and the 2 are still available. W8 is regarded as the best of all the W series with a thicker deck than the others among other things. But you will have to pay big bucks to get a set of 8's. Pretty much all of the W heads are meant to be ported for them to work except the W2. All of the W series use an offset intake rocker so the port opening can be bigger. All of the W series uses their own unique intake and exhaust. So if you invest in W2's (which are a great head by the way) with W2 intake, rockers, headers and you decide I want to move up to W9's you will need to buy all that stuff all over again. The cool thing about W heads is that they are factory designed which means the combustion chambers are light years better than any of the Edelbrock, Speedmaster, Pro Comp, whatever cheap head out there. W7,8,9 are 48 degree heads and can't be put on a 59 degree block (without being modified anyways). Also W8 and 9 have extra head bolts which are great for power adder motors looking for big power.
 
I definitely would not compare how much hp a stock block can handle with boost vs n/a, apples and oranges.
 
I'm not a head flow expert, but I JUST BET the best flowing Mopar small block head will be something with a "W" prefix.
 
I'm not a head flow expert, but I JUST BET the best flowing Mopar small block head will be something with a "W" prefix.


Brett made a program for the raw Edelbrock Victor heads and had some really nice numbers on them. They were up there pretty close to the W8, W9 heads.
 
Nope, he is too busy getting hurt feelings from the new guy disagreeing with his internet friends.
**** thats funny...... :rofl:

I love it when they all pile on. Wait till he starts posting memes......
 
I'd definitely like to learn more about them too
No reason to learn more about them if your still stuck on being a unicorn and insistent on breaking/ruining the engine with a stock block. Big boy heads require big boy blocks.
 
I'm not a head flow expert, but I JUST BET the best flowing Mopar small block head will be something with a "W" prefix.
The P7 head is a pretty badass piece but if i'm being honest it hasn't really caught on as of yet BUT Kent Ritter does have one of his blocks designed to run the P7 head in case anyone wants to go there.
 
Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about The Indy/RHS IMM heads?
I think it's a good head if you can get them for a deal, but I don't think you'll make over 500 without some work on them. Brian's might do it since he works them. Does he even sell them anymore though? I bought a bare set for $400 a few years ago, so I really like them!
 
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No reason to learn more about them if your still stuck on being a unicorn and insistent on breaking/ruining the engine with a stock block. Big boy heads require big boy blocks.
I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me, I haven't been rude or disrespectful to you or anyone here. I'm not trying to be a unicorn, there's just an abundance of evidence to suggest that my well prepped stock block will be fine as long as I'm running a fairly conservative tune. So I figure why not research appropriate parts to achieve max power levels?
 
I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me, I haven't been rude or disrespectful to you or anyone here. I'm not trying to be a unicorn, there's just an abundance of evidence to suggest that my well prepped stock block will be fine as long as I'm running a fairly conservative tune. So I figure why not research appropriate parts to achieve max power levels?
Max power levels with a W8 or W9 style head will break that engine......period......NOBODY DOES WHAT YOU SEEM TO WANT TO TRY.....PERIOD!!!!!!
 
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I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me, I haven't been rude or disrespectful to you or anyone here. I'm not trying to be a unicorn, there's just an abundance of evidence to suggest that my well prepped stock block will be fine as long as I'm running a fairly conservative tune. So I figure why not research appropriate parts to achieve max power levels

I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me, I haven't been rude or disrespectful to you or anyone here. I'm not trying to be a unicorn, there's just an abundance of evidence to suggest that my well prepped stock block will be fine as long as I'm running a fairly conservative tune. So I figure why not research appropriate parts to achieve max power levels?
Please accept my apologies......what I meant to say is everyone else that has tried to achieve MAX POWER with W8/W9 heads on a stock block have failed and learned thier lesson.....BUT YOU........you sir you can do it!!!!! Again i'm very sorry.....
 
The mid Canadian secret head porting facility just did a set of W8 heads….411 @ 700 which is the best flow I have witnessed from a sbm…now back to your bickering
 
I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me, I haven't been rude or disrespectful to you or anyone here. I'm not trying to be a unicorn, there's just an abundance of evidence to suggest that my well prepped stock block will be fine as long as I'm running a fairly conservative tune. So I figure why not research appropriate parts to achieve max power levels?
Listen I get it....you want the most bang for your buck and you have a nicely built stroker short block.....but your question is wrong.....you need to instead ask what heads would you guys recommend for my OE stroker short block that I can enjoy and race and it will have a good chance of living.
 
I tried a BIG setup and made paltry 581 HP @417ci with them. IIRC IQ52 made 600+HP with the RHS's--I could never get there. J.Rob
I think it's a good head if you can get them for a deal, but I don't think you'll make over 500 without some work on them. Brian's might do it since he works them. Does he even sell them anymore though? I bought a bare set for $400 a few years ago, so I really like them!
Hey J.Rob,

Yes I bought set of them in 2010 and did a little work with them off and on until 7 years ago (2015). 2.05/1.625 valves, 250 cfm @ .400, 304 cfm @ .600". We used them on a 424.5ci/360 at 10.9:1 compression with a 258/260 solid roller, .680"/.688", 110 LSA 107 ICL. 572 LB-FT @ 4,800 rpm and 629 HP @ 6400 rpm on 91 octane pump gas. I was asked what it would cost to do another set and it came out to $10,000. No takers.
 
Hey J.Rob,

Yes I bought set of them in 2010 and did a little work with them off and on until 7 years ago (2015). 2.05/1.625 valves, 250 cfm @ .400, 304 cfm @ .600". We used them on a 424.5ci/360 at 10.9:1 compression with a 258/260 solid roller, .680"/.688", 110 LSA 107 ICL. 572 LB-FT @ 4,800 rpm and 629 HP @ 6400 rpm on 91 octane pump gas. I was asked what it would cost to do another set and it came out to $10,000. No takers.
Yeah and if there was a taker you'd still wind up making about $20/hr. LOL J.Rob
 
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